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Delilah
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posted July 30, 2012 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Today I came across this mini article that reminded me of a friend's situation. http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/immaculate-deception-i-don-t-regret-tricking-my-boyfriend-into-having-kids.html

What would you do if your partner forced parenthood on you?

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Hera
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posted July 30, 2012 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, maybe on other issues I tend towards the grey area, in this respect I am very adamant towards HELL NO.

I don't react very good when someone tries to force my hand especially in this regard and I wouldn't do it to another either because I know just how it feels. I DO NOT CARE about motives, there are no motives good enough for me. It is pure selfishness and sheer manipulation.


Forcing parenthood on a person is wrong on so many levels and disgusts me so much. It has been done by women, successfully, since forever and seems to be working just fine, still. Has given rise to a lack of trust in the rest of us and to an increasing rate of divorces and of young people needing therapy. It has nothing but tragic and regretful consequences. In my opinion, whoever does this is nothing but a selfish, immature and narrow-minded individual. And as I said, I don't care about their motives or excuses. There is contraception. There is the after pill. There's also abstinence for crying out loud. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES. NONE. Period. These people get no sympathy out of me, nothing but contempt. And yeah, I may be judgmental, because like I said, there are no excuses.

It saddens me to no end that in an era of spiritual and emotional enlightment, women still resort to these sort of sorry practices.. forcing attachment and commitment from a man by using an innocent child as a hook. It is regrettable for everyone concerned, but while both the adults have some say in it (the man too, because he puts up with it.. If men wouldn't, perhaps it would discourage other women from repeating this pattern), the child doesn't and will grow up with an emotional trauma sometimes I think nothing may heal

I think both the people concerned should put the child's interest above everything else.

Every child deserves to come into this world feeling welcomed and wanted and loved. By both his parents.

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Maka
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posted July 30, 2012 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

“He fell into his previous marriage. It was an abusive relationship. She became quite psychotic and she abused him..."

What does she call this then? =X

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RegardesPlatero
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posted July 30, 2012 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and yet again, I'm reminded of why I don't date and why I'm happy to be single

You really can't trust anybody.

Forced parenthood absolutely disgusts me.

On top of that, it might not even keep a man, either. He could still leave and you could just be his 'baby momma'. Yeah, he'll have to pay child support, but even "oopsing" him can't force him to stay. The whole thing could backfire.

And if someone doesn't want kids, you NEED to respect that and find someone who does instead of ruining their lives. People who don't support and respect the decision not to have kids at all, or to have them later, are selfish cows and don't deserve a partner, period.

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posted July 30, 2012 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I were a man and this was done to me I'd break up with her the moment I realized it was blatant manipulation (as opposed to some accident) and then sue for sole custody of the child as the mother is morally unfit and I would cut her out of my (and our child's) life as much as possible to the point of gaining a restraining order against her if necessary.

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posted July 30, 2012 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
If I were a man and this was done to me I'd break up with her the moment I realized it was blatant manipulation (as opposed to some accident) and then sue for sole custody of the child as the mother is morally unfit and I would cut her out of my (and our child's) life as much as possible to the point of gaining a restraining order against her if necessary.

Men can be incredibly gullible sometimes. It is why this trick is still working. My ex and I were talking about getting married, he even said he bought me a ring. Then he announces me that his ex turned up 6 months pregnant and baby could be his. In a blink of an eye all our plans went down the drain and he decides he wants to move in with her, take care of her and be a father to her baby. I would never dream coming between a parent and his child, but that was just ridiculous. In the end it was for my better because he wasn't good for me and found out he lied to me abt smth else.. but I will never forget what I felt and what I went through in the weeks while I waited for the paternity test results. Led to my major depression and suicide attempt episode.. Ohhhhhhhhhhh if I had just 2 minutes in a room with that despicable woman!!!!!!!!!!!!! B!tch didn't even want to talk to me, said her baby deserves a family and she will fight to get my ex. Forgot to say that in the end there was no baby. She claimed she miscarried, my ex came after me this January but too little, too late.

So, IMO, men are equally guilty for falling into that trap. I know things are way harder on their end and from this point of view it really sucks being a man, but there are other ways to handle this. Not throw away the rest of your life because of the whims of a desperate woman.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted July 30, 2012 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Men do it too, so don't think they are only victims. There were way too many instances available in my life, but thankfully I have my head screwed on properly.

In the moment of passion, the woman just lies there or eggs the man on. There were too many instances where the temptation to go bare or even finish bare was great. A couple of girls even wanted me to finish. But I didn't because I knew better than trust birth control.

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posted July 30, 2012 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera,

My first true love slept behind my back with my best childhood friend and has a daughter with him. His family tried to pay her off and he skipped town and abandoned the girl. I wanted to marry her, but couldnt anympre. Talk about two heartbreaks simultaneously. The daughter, now 30 years old, has two children out of wedlock. It's a vicious cycle.

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Delilah
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posted July 30, 2012 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know of six women who have done this. A few did it for money, one for "unconditional love" (her words), the others because they either didn't want to let the man go or were desperate to get married.

The one who claims it was because she wanted to be loved tricked her boyfriend and lied to everyone else. She claimed that they had been trying all along. Too bad he didn't know. He looks miserable as hell, especially since he's realized just how unstable she is.

I don't understand why some women and men do this. A baby has never been the solution to a troubled relationship and the responsibility usually makes things worse. The woman in this article has a friend who is just as conniving. Wonder if her partner will come across this gem of a story. I also wonder how true the ending is. It all seems too fluffy and fairy tale-like to be true, despite the baby having down syndrome.

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PixieJane
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posted July 30, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember a few years ago when teen girls getting pregnant became a fad for some reason. One was so extreme that she actually had sex with homeless men she didn't know just to get pregnant and wasn't even interested in marrying anybody (I expect she thought her parents, whom she still lived with as a minor, would take care of the child). They were interviewed and the impression I got from what they were all saying is that they craved the attention of being pregnant. You know everyone "oohs" and "ahhs" over being pregnant (but if randomly getting pregnant like that is worthy of such admiration then why not the same for taking a dump?). That is they were thinking of immediate gratification and not long term consequences (and strictly of themselves, not of the child).

One said she wanted a baby to unconditionally love her which really made me laugh. We'll see how unconditionally she loves after she's woken up at 2 AM by a shrieking infant once again to feed and/or change diapers...and if she wants that unconditional love then she better be able and willing to show the same, and even then there's no guarantee.

But as for adults that do this, like this mother...children are pawns to be used to get what they want. She'll happily use her kid to screw him over later if she wants and not care what it does to the child, though of course she'll sickeningly say how she's doing it all selflessly.

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posted July 30, 2012 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, this article (assuming he really was grateful, which I have my doubts over) got me to thinking, how much do the ends justify the means?

For example, Rhett carrying Scarlett up the stairs in Gone with the Wind is a classic scene, and many women love it, but the fact is he raped her. Does the fact that she (and many female viewers) enjoyed it mean his raping her was ok? Or is it still rape, a vile and disgusting act no matter how grateful she was for it? (And spare me the the differences between "forcible seduction" and "rape" as it's pure semantics and the only difference from the woman's PoV is if she liked it or not, and I bet the vast majority of "forcible seductions" take place only in fantasy where she's not really being raped but in full control in her own imagination and thus the rapist is doing exactly as she bids rather than what actual rape is like).

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Delilah
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posted July 30, 2012 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the case of the woman from the article, she's delusional in thinking and trying to persuade people that she did this for her partner. She gave herself away when she mentioned wanting another child and how her clock was ticking. Not to be cruel, but he's obviously much younger than she is, so he had more time to figure out whether he wanted kids or not and by the time he came to it he may not have still been with her or if they were still together she may not have been able to have children anymore (I also wonder why she had her tubes tied when she was with her ex, but with her current partner she had the surgery reversed). Her actions were for herself- possibly fearing that he would leave her again and for good. Where she mentions that the baby has down syndrome and his relationship with his father there was something not quite right about it, in addition to the whole story.

Hmm... I think you can say that both ways of thinking are barbaric. Rhett's actions appealed to women and reflected men stuck in an age that is long gone and was never really true. *I've never seen the movie or read the book, but have been told that Scarlet goes off of the deep end after Rhett "takes" her.* It's a scary way to take ownership of another person like this. Maybe the effects of a woman forcing fatherhood on a man who has not come to his own decision of whether or not he's ready for it are similar to lets say traditional rape. There's this feeling of "how could you do this to me?"

The flaw in both is that the person who's made the decision for both parties thinks that they're doing the right thing and what they're doing is what needs to be done to push the other in their direction. The barbaric man in history and literature has only done what society expected of him; men were supposed to be very masculine, have a very animalistic side to them that would cause fear in women enough to respect them and buy into the old belief that "boys will be boys." What Claire (from the article) has done is no different, except this is more new age, but not really. She, and women like her, have bought into the fairy tale theory that all men want children/are meant to be fathers whether they know it or not. Who's to say that he wouldn't have come around, but she probably isn't the one who he would have chosen to start a family with? I know this seems insensitive towards older women who find themselves wanting children later in life, but it's not my intention. It's just in this case, specifically, that her age made her so desperate.

I see what you're saying Pixie and I agree with you. I'm just a long-winded Libra. Lol.

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posted July 30, 2012 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 30, 2012 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's another female I know who has never worked a day in her life. Her mother let her date an older guy when she was young, and live with him. The relationship went sour, or had it's ups and downs, but i think the girl was too scared to try and make it on her own so she got pregnant. Thinking that would fix things, but also all she ever knew was life as a "girlfriend" or "housewife" and having a man in the picture to take care of her. I think it was her mother's fault for letting her live with an older man at such a young age and never letting her gain independence or truly find herself. I hope she can find her way eventually and know that she doesnt need a man, or to keep getting knocked up to be safe and taken care of. I guess now it's a little late though. I sense some buried anger in her from it all though.

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