posted October 20, 2012 12:04 AM            

nlp persuasion

posted October 20, 2012 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Knowing that if they repeated something long enough to someone (and other people) eventaully they'd all believe it.

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Isn't that one of the primary aspects of advertisement & propaganda that make it so effective?

Speaking of which, I recall a scary thing that happened. It was in 2003 and everyone believed we were in Iraq to liberate the Iraq people, and when I posted the original reasons no one believed me. A bit disturbed I decided to double check it as I was at the library (I had no computer of my own back then) but even the librarian didn't remember the earlier reasons and I began to wonder if I imagined it, but it was so vivid that was scary. I was able to recall one magazine (either TIME or Newsweek, can't remember which one now) and knew it couldn't be more than a few months old so I asked her for the back issues and quickly found it. When the librarian saw the cover giving an earlier reason she suddenly remembered all the other reasons as well and was disturbed that she'd forgotten.

For a brief second I felt better knowing I hadn't imagined it, but then I got scared again...how DID so many people forget? My imagination tormented me with thinking there was some effective mind control at work (which I didn't believe but right then I instantly and sincerely reconsidered) and my having proven resistant to it perhaps I'd already been flagged by government agents for remembering and for investigation and possible "re education." It was one of my rare paranoid episodes, even if it only lasted a few minutes.

But as I thought about it, I realized a few minutes later what it was: the news media are lapdogs for the government (otherwise they don't get to attend White House press conferences, etc, and thus lag behind their competitors, plus the government has been known to get even dirtier when particularly annoyed, like one station and its owners that got sicked by the IRS immediately after doing an investigative report on political corruption), and thus typically repeat whatever they say without challenge. And the White House had first started with "punishing Iraq for 9/11" IIRC which didn't fly, and then changed the reason (unpopular with the public) every few days until people responded well to "liberating the Iraqis" and then it repeated it over and over again day in and out as people passively watched TV. Given that people often watch TV in a semi-hypnotic state (relaxed, tired, lulled by the flickering, often on drugs & alcohol, and a guy who went to film school said every minor detail, even in a news broadcast, is there for a reason, to sometimes subliminally influence the viewer), and hearing it over and over it hypnotized them into forgetting the reasons they only heard a few times as it drowned in the reason that was repeated ad nauseum.

But I didn't have a TV, I got all my news from the library (papers, mags, computer, etc) as well as listening to others and a few bookshops, so I wasn't hypnotized, and therefore I didn't forget. Backing this was my remembering that people who get their news outside of America were better at remembering what disappears down our nation's memory hole. For example, one conservative praised the invasion of Iraq as just punishment for 9/11 and linked to footage of Iraqis supposedly dancing in the streets over it, and then after "mission accomplished" (and after the reason for invading had been changed) he linked to the same footage of Iraqis dancing at having been liberated by American forces and had completely forgotten the "avenge 9/11" reason he (like the White House) originally gave when a Canadian pointed it out. And that is a type of mind control and a core component is repeating itself over & over again.

At that point I stopped being scared because it was a process I understood. Still, it was depressing...I also recalled how I once came back from a day of hiking to reach the residential streets at dusk and from house after house came the blue glow of the TV...house after house being mind controlled, or at least distracted. I'm not against TV myself, mind you, as long as it's viewed with a certain awareness and in moderation, great, but society is effectively controlled by it and become the new and improved opiate of the people.

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Originally posted by T:
Anyone familiar with this or have experiences with people using this on them? I find that it works on naieve people, or on people that are under the parent who's usings this influence when their mind has not fully developed. Or perhaps in a relationship with someone learned in this technique.

This is something that has piqued my interest again lately and I'm trying to learn more about it, in order to protect myself from certain people

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I tried looking it up on YT but I don't have the time & interest to pursue it much. There is this that links to a site but the "part 1" is a deception, there are no other parts, you're supposed to click on the site instead, and I don't like being lied to & manipulated that way. But if you're interested (this YT just promises what it will teach you and how to use it in selfish ways as well as how to defend yourself from it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS0iQCn2ut8

posted October 20, 2012 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
What is

nlp persuasion

because I tried to look it up but got nowhere,

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posted October 20, 2012 12:29 AM            

Those were the Droids we were looking for!

posted October 20, 2012 01:22 AM            

I had a person try persuade me to do many strange things, NLP or whatever was going on there, I was straight up defensive. I can not be hypnotized or NLP'd (husband and I joke about that all the time and laugh at dumb tv advertisements when we catch them ... Same goes with the charmers, psychos and salesmen)

posted October 20, 2012 03:26 PM            

PixieJane, great post. I'm not going to click on the YT link as I also cant stand when it's they use it as a way to get you to go to their site either.

I'll post relevant links as i come across them. Don't have a lot of time today to talk more.

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I had a person try persuade me to do many strange things, NLP or whatever was going on there, I was straight up defensive. I can not be hypnotized or NLP'd (husband and I joke about that all the time and laugh at dumb tv advertisements when we catch them ... Same goes with the charmers, psychos and salesmen)

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Same here to all of that.

posted April 08, 2013 03:14 PM            

I said... uh... Spider-Man, I said uh... The great thing about MJ is... when you look in her eyes and she's looking back in yours... everything... feels... not quite normal. Because you feel stronger and weaker at the same time. You feel excited and at the same time, terrified. The truth is... you don't know what you feel except you know what kind of man you want to be. It's as if you've reached the unreachable and you weren't ready for it." http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0188706/quotes

posted May 08, 2013 06:56 AM            

There are also things known as mirror neurons, basically when one sees someone else doing something, your mind reacts as if "you" were actually doing it.

So if "you" pick up a cellphone, "my" mind reacts as if "I" had picked up a cellphone, you know what it is like to dial it, put it to your ear, wait a moment before speaking etc.

It's one of the reasons why most learn a physical skill via watching.

For example, why do horror movies effect anyone? It's an image on the screen, the blood and gore etc is quite fake..and yet people cringe and jump etc.