posted January 14, 2013 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
And, I have no idea why the Pisces females in my life have been so outspoken about it... or if that is in anyway indicative of the overall population of Pisces women out there...

Just generally, Pisces then Virgos are very.... hmmm... verbal, shall we say? With their preferences.... (Cardinal Sun/Mercury here can't find the polite terms to use here...)

bah~ w/e

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Lol.. yeah, the Pisces in my life are very against it. They've said 'why the butt when you have vaginas? That's just disgusting..' etc.

I've heard though.. that back door sex feels amazing. For one it's extremely tighter and hotter than the vagina. Who knows?

posted January 14, 2013 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
...this is from my circle of girlfriends (over the years) --
In cases where it has come up in discussion or something (times it has been referenced or alluded too by ourselves or more likely others or gentlemen usually) - the ones who have spoken favourably of it... all have one thing in common...

Mutable Suns - Virgo/Pisces/Sagittarius (especially Pisces for some reason) I don't judge... meh~

the ones who have spoken against it, or taken the road of indifference... it would seem...

all are Cardinal Suns - Libra, Capricorn, Cancer, and Aries

the ones who have pleaded the 5th, they aren't talking if they do or do not enjoy it or practise it....

are all Fixed Suns & the exception to the Mutables... Gemini - if they like it or not... they're not talkin'.

This is gathered from personal observation... and only reflects those I know who have been open on the matter, or that have been within earshot of other conversations going on, where I could assess their reactions...

It isn't a common subject in my circle at least.

And, I have no idea why the Pisces females in my life have been so outspoken about it... or if that is in anyway indicative of the overall population of Pisces women out there...

Just generally, Pisces then Virgos are very.... hmmm... verbal, shall we say? With their preferences.... (Cardinal Sun/Mercury here can't find the polite terms to use here...)

bah~ w/e

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posted January 14, 2013 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
What were they saying when they spoke against it?

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These were all at different times over the years, I can't recall all of the situations that prompted the topic into discussion.

After getting some sleep though, I remember now that while Pisces sun, my ex's sister was cusp born, Aries... so maybe she should count for Cardinal sun... iunno lol~ oh she was very in favour of! (this came up in a very, very, very awkward conversation on our way back from work one morning, and her giving me advice -helloeAriesMercury- on how to "get into it" with her brother for heaven's sake! lmfao) -ftr - her advice was well met, but at the same time... the experiment was a failure... disaster even... >.<

another not so nice mention of the matter was from my mother once... *gag* ---- yyyyeeahh... Libra Sun.... I'm trying to remove this from my memory as I type (therapy save me). :/

And, another Cancer bestie, did mention her changed opinion on the matter when we were joking around about something or other at the sex shop a few years back. (I haven't been home in so long... lol but, like I said... my observation goes back into our youth, far back as being only 16 or so for them.)

In the cases where I can recall someone being most adamantly opposed, there were 2 friends Cancer and Capricorn who were getting very angry at some numbskull, brute who'd taken advantage of both of them... I don't blame them here... I was with the numbskull brute at the time, and he was /not/ the type any woman would jump at the chance to experiment with... not with his um... "approach"...

Another time was an Aries gf, who'd been raped very violently... her reasoning makes complete sense to any woman I think... she'd been a victim of a very severe crime... and had never healed... She also had her genitalia mangled... there's no getting over what she went through. So, her case is extreme...

Another Aries gf spoke out against it as though any man who even broached the subject with her was challenging her for control... Fighting spirit was lit inside her, she'd never forgive anyone for going against her, and her beliefs... (god luv her lol)

Cancer cousin, was just disgusted by it... never (wanted) to have details shared on why... (cousins... I don't want to know their sexual preferences! haha)

Libra classmate/friend --- she was religious... JW, actually... she had some biblical reasoning for her disdain. I had Sagittarius friend, Evangelist... same thing, religious reasons...

I don't get into the topic with anyone on my own... it's not my cup of tea; but I take the "indifferent' stance personally. Maybe it's my 8h Aries - Mars in Scorpio, Scorpion placements... that make me not want to divulge my every sordid pleasure... lol I can be open about this or that usually, with friends. or on a "surface-level" of depth discussion... (Sagittarius/mutable dominant)... I'm the "one in the lab coat" as my friends would say... experimental/explorer-type... But, I really feel all-in-all apathetic on the matter... my experience has been more on the negative side of the spectrum (tbh)... men have been all too pushy for this, and I don't appreciate pushy partners... rather they know what their doing and be able to read the mood... if they can't do that, curtain is drawn... end of story. (But, I've had that ill occurrence more than once, where the guy just swears up and down how he's going to break you in half, this that and the other... and, it just sickens me to no end... so going from their bravado to trying to get a backstage pass... uhuh... not having it - that's pretty sane right??) I agree very much with the thought that it can be a very enjoyable experience, and that it should be shared with someone you trust; very pro-exploration and gratification anyway you can get it as long as nobody is getting hurt beyond their consent in the process - of course... Just haven't had the luck for this... but,this is me, personally~
^^ my luck in relationships is shotty~ at best... my taste is infallibly bad... and bad for my health... preserving those intimate experiences for Mr. right~ (or simply keeping them between me, myself, and I) -only seem right at this point in my own life. XD -just sayin'~ To each their own. <333

When I wrote my statement above I was only looking at things from as unbiased, and removed perspective as possible... and in retrospect of over 15 years now. ^^; that's a lot of time to collect data and a huge difference in age-experience among the test-bunnies! haha XD - please don't take it too seriously~ just unprofessional observations, and not taken with the intent for astrological comparison --- just happens over the years I've noticed some patterns among sun signs... which is flawed - because they change just like tastes and progressions... ^^; no?!

Lexx & Hera - I enjoyed reading the other thread too~! Is there any of this nature on the gentlemen's preferences in relation to astrological aspects???

*just curious*

(would find it interesting to see, if there were a common bond in the charts between my own past bedfellows lmao)

anyway thank you ladies! <333

posted January 14, 2013 10:55 AM            

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Hera,

Were you against it for health-related reasons or spiritual/religious/moral reasons?

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I suppose neither. I was concerned re health but knew how to take proper measures so accidents wouldn't happen. But my main reason was that I found it degrading for the woman (me). My bf at the time (the famous Sag) was all for dominance and for him, that assured his dominance on me. Needless to say, it never happened, but he eventually figured out he'd want it the other way around. To which I had no objection whatsoever. That also didn't happen coz he chickened out when I straightforwardly said let's do it, now! Aries style

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Actually the Aries women I do know like it but the condition they have for it usually involves, strapping one on and doing it back to their male partner

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^this, yes.

Took me a while to realize that I lean more for dominance myself rather than submission and that it was for this reason that I was so strongly and stubbornly against it.

posted January 14, 2013 11:20 AM            

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Lexx & Hera - I enjoyed reading the other thread too~! Is there any of this nature on the gentlemen's preferences in relation to astrological aspects???

*just curious*

(would find it interesting to see, if there were a common bond in the charts between my own past bedfellows lmao)

anyway thank you ladies! <333

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posted January 14, 2013 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
I have a Leo friend who enjoys it and is very verbose about it too. She's Aqua rising Uranus in Scorpio..

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posted January 14, 2013 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
ewwww...

Sodomy is against the law across various Southern States.

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posted January 14, 2013 05:16 PM            

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I found it degrading for the woman (me). My bf at the time (the famous Sag) was all for dominance and for him, that assured his dominance on me.

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Personally, I don't find any act degrading. It's the person you are with who can make you feel that way if he is a jerk.. It's not about *what* you do with him... as much as his attitude.

I definitely don't like people who have an attitude problem.

But I've never associated anal sex with a loss of control. I never actually feel out of control during sex. If the person I was with made me feel bad in some way - I'd walk right out the door.

posted January 14, 2013 05:17 PM            

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Sodomy is against the law across various Southern States.

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posted January 14, 2013 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
ewwww...

Sodomy is against the law across various Southern States.

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Sodomy is "any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal."
The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.
So-called "sodomy laws" in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well, but in the Western world,
many of these laws have been overturned,
or are not routinely enforced.

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Legal definition:
Sodomy:
Anal or oral intercourse between human beings, or any sexual relations between a human being and an animal, the act of which may be punishable as a criminal offense.

The word sodomy acquired different meanings over time. Under the Common Law, sodomy consisted of anal intercourse. Traditionally courts and statutes referred to it as a "crime against nature" or as copulation "against the order of nature." In the United States, the term eventually encompassed oral sex as well as anal sex. The crime of sodomy was classified as a felony.

Because homosexual activity involves anal and oral sex, gay men were the primary target of sodomy laws. Culturally and historically, homosexual activity was seen as unnatural or perverse. The term sodomy refers to the homosexual activities of men in the story of the city of Sodom in the Bible. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their residents' immorality became a central part of Western attitudes toward forms of non-procreative sexual activity and same-sex relations.

Beginning with Illinois in 1961, state legislatures reexamined their sodomy statutes. Twenty-seven states repealed these laws, usually as a part of a general revision of the criminal code and with the recognition that heterosexuals engage in oral and anal sex. In addition, state courts in 10 states applied state constitutional provisions to invalidate sodomy laws. As of early 2003, eight states had laws that barred heterosexual and homosexual sodomy. Three other states barred sodomy between homosexuals.

In Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186, 106 S. Ct. 2841, 92 L. Ed. 2d 140 (1986), the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Georgia sodomy statute. Michael Hardwick was arrested and charged with sodomy for engaging in oral sex with a consenting male adult in his home. A police officer was let into Hardwick's home to serve a warrant and saw the sexual act. Although the state prosecutor declined to prosecute the case, Hardwick brought suit in federal court asking that the statute be declared unconstitutional.

On a 5–4 vote, the Court upheld the law. Writing for the majority, Justice byron r. white rejected the argument that previous decisions such as the Court's rulings on Abortion and contraception had created a right of privacy that extended to homosexual sodomy. Instead, the Court drew a sharp distinction between the previous cases, which involved "family, marriage, or procreation," and homosexual activity.

The Court also rejected the argument that there is a fundamental right to engage in homosexual activity. Prohibitions against sodomy were in the laws of most states since the nation's founding. To the argument that homosexual activity should be protected when it occurs in the privacy of a home, White stated that "otherwise illegal conduct is not always immunized whenever it occurs in the home." Because the claim in the case involved only homosexual sodomy, the Court expressed no opinion about the constitutionality of the statute as applied to acts of heterosexual sodomy.

The Bowers decision was severly criticized. Justice lewis powell, who voted with the majority, later stated that he had made a mistake in voting to affirm the law. In July 2003 the Supreme Court reversed itself on the issue of sodomy. In Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___, 123 S. Ct. 2472, 156 L. Ed. 2d 508, in a 6–3 decision, the Court invalidated a Texas anti-homosexual sodomy law by invoking the constitutional rights to privacy.

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The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear Lawrence v. Texas, a challenge to the Texas law that criminalizes sodomy. What exactly is sodomy?

The exact definition varies from state to state, but sodomy has been broadly defined as a sexual "crime against nature"—a phrase echoed by then Chief Justice Warren Burger in 1986, when the Supreme Court upheld a Georgia anti-sodomy law in Bowers v. Hardwick. In the United States, that language dates back to a 1697 Massachusetts law that forbade "the detestable and abominable sin of buggery [anal sex] with mankind or beast, which is contrary to the very light of nature." Buggery, incidentally, was generally accepted to mean a homosexual act; in cases of bestiality, the gender mix of the participants was immaterial.

In later years, several states formally expanded the definition of sodomy to include both oral and anal sex, whether homosexual or heterosexual. The Georgia law in the Bowers case, for example, defined the crime as "any sexual act involving the sex organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another." (This law was overturned by the Georgia Supreme Court in 1998.)The state law being questioned in Lawrence v. Texas contains a similar definition, although it covers only same-sex contact—Texas being one of four states where the sodomy ban applies exclusively to homosexuals.
Broadly written anti-sodomy statutes have also been used, on rare occasion, to prosecute men or women deemed "sexual deviates." Mutual masturbation, for example, was known to land the occasional couple in legal hot water, at least before the majority of states began jettisoning their sodomy laws in the 1970s. It is highly unlikely that any state would pursue consenting adults for such behavior today.

Bonus Explainer: The word "sodomy" itself is something of a misnomer, since the Bible contains no mention of homosexual conduct among the residents of Sodom. That corrupt city was not destroyed because of acts of buggery but rather because its citizens were inhospitable to God's angelic messengers. Sodom was not linguistically linked with anal sex until the Middle Ages.

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posted January 14, 2013 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
oh boy - I really feel our generational gap sometimes, even though we both have Capricorn Mars.

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Certainly. The differences are evident across a spectrum of arenas and viewpoints. I wouldn't expect anyone in my generation to share my exact perspectives either. It wouldn't be productive for me to itemize each opinion, but suffice to say I'm more conservative in real life than almost every person who has ever stepped into LL, and if my Mrs. were ever convinced to post here, she would be even more so.

It's not generational. Most people on my age group agree with you and not with me, including the Leaders of this country across the last three Presidential administrations.

posted January 14, 2013 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
(replying to YTA)
oh boy - I really feel our generational gap sometimes, even though we both have Capricorn Mars.

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posted January 14, 2013 07:16 PM            

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posted January 14, 2013 07:24 PM            

Anal sex can cause damage without proper lubrication one of the reasons some women are apprehensive about.

posted January 14, 2013 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am not trying to be a killjoy
But couldn't it cause problems in your body?

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posted January 14, 2013 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
yes - it can, one of them could be "anal fistula"...

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Farah Fawcett had problems from this, I think. Am I correct?

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posted January 14, 2013 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Farah Fawcett had problems from this, I think. Am I correct?

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