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Topic: what is love?
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aquaguy91
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posted February 19, 2013 08:23 PM
  
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Our refusal to learn a lesson doesn't make the lesson go away. Perhaps in the next life, the person will have to learn to move on and grow from an un-mutual break up AND have take care of kids at the same time. Now they have the lesson from their past life and the lesson from this life, how to put your children before you, to learn. As an example.Aquacheeka is right, there's a lesson in love no matter your experience. 
who said anything about lessons? i'm not denying that you can learn lessons from love/relationships, i was challenging her p.o.v that it isnt love unless it lasts a lifetime.. because thats just not true, i guess that way of thinking is a defense mechanism. the ugly truth is not all breakups/divorces are mutual and a sad thing called"unrequited love" exists.saying that real love always lasts a lifetime isnt realistic at all, life is just way too complicated... for example: my sister was in love with a guy and they were engaged to be married when he commited suicide(or possibly murdered we still dont know for sure). my sister has since been married twice and "moved on" but that doesnt mean what her and that guy had was real while it lasted. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted February 19, 2013 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
who said anything about lessons? i'm not denying that you can learn lessons from love/relationships, i was challenging her p.o.v that it isnt love unless it lasts a lifetime.. because thats just not true, i guess that way of thinking is a defense mechanism. the ugly truth is not all breakups/divorces are mutual and a sad thing called"unrequited love" exists.saying that real love always lasts a lifetime isnt realistic at all, life is just way too complicated... for example: my sister was in love with a guy and they were engaged to be married when he commited suicide(or possibly murdered we still dont know for sure). my sister has since been married twice and "moved on" but that doesnt mean what her and that guy had was real while it lasted.
That would fall within the realm of what I'm talking about though. In their case it *did* last a lifetime... his. He didn't just up and decide that it was time to buy fancy cars and trade in for a new wife. The conflict was internal and his pain overwhelmed him. I just think that real love doesn't wither and die away. It is eternal. It survives and trancends weight gain, boredom, children, hair loss, poverty, change in residence, and yes, even death. After all, in astrology that is where we get the idea of karmic relationships/soulmates. I wouldn't be surprised if, assuming reincarnation is real, they meet again with unfinished business.
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Aquacheeka
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posted February 19, 2013 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
My 'rents have, for the most part, discarded me, and I have few fond memories of being a child in their care. Nevertheless, I feel love & compassion (though not trust) for both, yet I'm not in denial about my feelings being one way, I don't deny how they've wronged me, but neither do I cry tears over it, it simply is what it is. Granny is leaving me the house for multiple reasons, which Mom is expecting to get (she's not going to be pleased when she finds out it's me who's getting it either and I'm expecting her to fight me in court for the deed with some dirty tricks, but as I know her repertoire of dirty tricks, and Granny has already fortified her will against Mom's likely legal actions, I'm not particularly worried about it, I'm more worried she'll burn the place down out of spite when she loses). Under me she'll be allowed to live there and in all ways treat it as her house while I'm not there. Should I move back (as a last resort, but possible) she'll even get to keep the master bedroom, I'll just take the room I slept in when I (and she for that matter) was a little girl, and I'll show her more care & consideration than she did me when I was growing up (though I'll be ready to put my foot down when she tries taking advantage of my goodwill). I do have compassion for her, and I believe I love her, though it's a very wary love. It's not martyrdom, and it's not seeing her as "simply misunderstood, I know she loves me deep down and will one day realize it," it just strikes me as love & compassion with realistic expectations of her. I'm just curious, in your worldview, how would you define my feelings for them? 
Well let me start by saying I completely understand where you're coming from since I have dealt with a similar sort of situation where my mother is concerned. And nobody gets it, why you would stick your neck out for someone who has treated you like dirt. I've had more than one person tell me that I should cut the toxic people out of my life, even if they *are* family. And the best way I can define it, at least for myself, is compassion. A maybe a guilt complex as well. I am the first to admit that I'm a sucker. I blame my Pisces moon.
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somethingexcellent
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From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted February 19, 2013 09:10 PM
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aquaguy91: i was challenging her p.o.v that it isnt love unless it lasts a lifetime..
Oh well yeah obviously, love can exist for a long or a short period of time.  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted February 19, 2013 11:24 PM
Depends on your perspective. Kids today have a three-month relationship and then say, "But I was so in love!"No. IP: Logged |
peregrine
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posted February 19, 2013 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Depends on your perspective. Kids today have a three-month relationship and then say, "But I was so in love!"No.
y no? could be an intense 3 months. IP: Logged |
northvirgo
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posted February 19, 2013 11:47 PM
Real true love cannot be everything and all consuming. It does change and evolve, but once you love, you generally dont let it fo so esily and willingly. It is after much is said and done that you finally part ways I believe. With every positive there is a negative. Something as beautiful as love, can turn into hate. It is the dark ugly side. I have come to learn that love is a double edged sword that hinges on a fine delicate balance. Weak partners throw that balance off, and everything goes bottoms up! A strong partner fights with everything he/she has. But also knows when to not keep kicking a dead horse. To let go of the person who is your heart and soul is truly an act of true love. You want your parner to be happy and at peace not be held hostage and bound to obligation out of guilt. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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From: Asheville, NC, US
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posted February 19, 2013 11:58 PM
Well, have to rely on ol billy:"They have not love that have shown their love, the course of true love never did run true."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHB06tnKPs IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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posted February 20, 2013 12:08 AM
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Aquacheeka: Depends on your perspective. Kids today have a three-month relationship and then say, "But I was so in love!"No.
Yeah no critical thinking is a gift.  I mean, people can be in love for their whole three-month relationship, and yeah, equally, people can say it was love when really they don't know what love is at all.  IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted February 20, 2013 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Yeah no critical thinking is a gift. I mean, people can be in love for their whole three-month relationship, and yeah, equally, people can say it was love when really they don't know what love is at all.
Not sure that critical thinking and love are compatible concepts! Attraction, and lust and love, there is no formula for how, it just is IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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posted February 20, 2013 12:30 AM
Well you know what I mean!!!!!! Think critically, especially if you have reason to consider someone not in a right state of mind (in this case lacking proper knowledge).Is my Air Mercury coming out? IP: Logged |
@quaman
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posted February 20, 2013 01:27 AM
love is seeing a girl without makeup and not thinking she is fugly.IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted February 20, 2013 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Well you know what I mean!!!!!! Think critically, especially if you have reason to consider someone not in a right state of mind (in this case lacking proper knowledge).Is my Air Mercury coming out?
That would be "yes"! As for "right state of mind" Have to guess you mean chemicals etc? Well, some are quite shy, others quite bold, when booze/smoke/some powder is involved Do agree though, physically it may seem awesome and great, reality is..could be that altered state talking and sometimes the partner can be so distraught how things went down they just never talk to the person they used to have a crush on..like ever again. Or worse, someone one is wildly attracted to feeds that darkside... IP: Logged |
T
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posted February 20, 2013 02:51 PM
Love is being completely comfortable with a person. Being able to say anything or nothing at all and understanding each other instinctively. Love is having a similar sense of humor and being able to joke with one another. It is often putting their happiness before your own (w/o being a doormat). I also associate it with longevity (Saturn in the 7th sextile Venus in Gem). True, healthy love ages well.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted February 20, 2013 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by peregrine:
y no? could be an intense 3 months.
Why in astrology do we not include aspects that would have a 27-degree orb?
Because some things in life just don't count. From a biological perspective anyway, 3 months isn't even the companionate phase of love it's the "lust/infatuation" stage, nevermind that you can't know a person intimately in that short space of time... IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 20, 2013 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Why in astrology do we not include aspects that would have a 27-degree orb?Because some things in life just don't count. From a biological perspective anyway, 3 months isn't even the companionate phase of love it's the "lust/infatuation" stage, nevermind that you can't know a person intimately in that short space of time...
wrong lol. there are no rules or logic when it comes to feelings. everybody is different. some people fall in love very fast and others take longer. personally i know how i feel about someone very early on. but i guess its all a matter of perception.. my mom once said people have to be 25 or older to fall in love and i disagree with her too. IP: Logged |
peregrine
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posted February 20, 2013 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Why in astrology do we not include aspects that would have a 27-degree orb?Because some things in life just don't count.
lol! IP: Logged |
peregrine
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posted February 20, 2013 08:07 PM
*sniffles* damn ego...  IP: Logged |
Love&Light
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posted March 27, 2013 12:44 AM
Here is an interesting read guys. Read the one at the end specially. Its the best.  www.linda-goodman.com IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted March 27, 2013 02:25 AM
A devouring enigma.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted March 27, 2013 06:34 AM
'how would you define love?'love = a state of perfect contentment 'how do you define the difference between true love of your life and love?' The love of my life is more emotionally sexual. 'Is love fearless and fights or does it fold because love is not supposed to be hard and difficult?' I don't think love itself should be hard.. Life can throw difficult things your way - but love can help in overcoming them.. when you are with the right person. 'Does love endure?' With the right synastry! 'Can someone be that emotionally closed off and refuse to work on the relationship and acknowledge problems?' Yes... They can be.. 'How do you get love back?' You probably can't.. 'How do you know you love someone and what would make you fight for them and flee away from them?' I know I love someone when being around them brings joy to my heart... when I could have the absolute worst day ever - and see them - and everything else would fade to grey.
When we make each other happy! I would fight in any situation - as long as I felt like they were on board and fighting alongside me..
I would flee if I felt like they abandoned ship.
I have to feel like someone gives a damn... As soon as I sense they don't or feel like it's not completely genuine.. I do flee. 'Is love scary?' No. Not at all. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted March 27, 2013 07:26 PM
Huh? It needs to be defined?You like each other. You buy stuff. Then you buy more stuff. And do stuff and do more stuff. And finally you fornicate. If it goes well, you fornicate some more. Then you wear silly clothes and exchange meaningless phrases and little metal trinklets. Finally you copulate and not fornicate. And then little yous show up and you stop copulating altogether. Then your blood pressure rises when the little yous become big replicas of you, except they don't listen to you. Then you become old and sentimental. Then you die. IP: Logged |
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posted March 27, 2013 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Huh? It needs to be defined?
I don't think it necessarily needs to be defined, but sometimes it hits people so hard and they marvel at it's force & when it becomes so powerful you have to stop and "stare" (think about it, contemplate it, appreciate it in your own mind...in your own way). IP: Logged |
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posted March 27, 2013 08:18 PM
Love is less "buying stuff" to me. You each come together and have things and share things. It's more about sharing what you have to offer with each other and helping each other grow. Whether material or otherwise.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 28, 2013 07:29 AM
note to self:
Oh boy, we are all thinking MUCH TOO MUCH.  on the other hand it is interesting to read what everyone else is thinking IP: Logged |
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