posted April 11, 2013 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
Honey, you were swimming in the sewer long before I responded to you with your spiel about people being bad parents because they care enough to look out for their children.

When you say that, you disrespect my dead mother and a hell of a lot of other parents who give/gave everything they have of themselves to protect their babies before they could protect themselves.

I don't care how much you did or didn't read either. I only read pieces of your idiocy anyway before exclaiming profanities and typing my response.

Like I said. Read about Clifford Jones, or the Atlanta Child Murders, or all the other horror stories out there about kids and teenagers left to their own devices by parents who let them come and go as they pleased because they thought exactly like you do.

Like I said. Please don't have children. You say that us products of protective parents were disserviced, but no child deserves the disservice of being thrown to the wolves by someone like you because you think it'll make them tougher and build character.

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Yes, and I see you've already edited your previous response to have more content. Because of your continuing rage, and admitting you only read part of what I said before responding (which explains a lot) I'll just make a few points:

1. I don't think kids should be thrown to the wolves. I said that above ("lion's pit"), btw.

2. Obviously, we're using our terms differently. Parents SHOULD protect their kids, but that doesn't mean raising them in a bubble.

3. I wasn't speaking of babies.

4. I expect those child murders were because kids were naive, that is it wasn't impressed on them how dangerous the world is and the tricks used to lure them and how innocent the evil can appear. Yep, looking up Clifford Jones I can see that you are COMPLETELY misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Anyway, I'm sorry you're so upset. Very rarely I'll get angry over something posted as well, but what I do is WALK AWAY, calm down, and then come back and try to see the other person's PoV and what is actually meant, and it usually looks a lot different then...and then if I'm STILL upset then I either ask for clarification on what was meant and/or say why and give reasons rather than attacks (though I may come off as very cold, a chill rather than a flame). In any case I don't skim bits and pieces and then flame them based on that as if I understood them perfectly.

posted April 11, 2013 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Snorkel:
You want the truth? Everybody is deserving of respect, not just the people YOU personally think "suffered enough" for it.

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posted April 11, 2013 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Heck yeah!

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Just to be clear, I see a difference between showing respect and admiring someone (and for that reason I agree with you here).

Btw, you never got back to me on the other thread...I was hoping you would give an example of what you meant about how love is given rather than earned so I could more clearly see what you mean (please answer there, not here).

posted April 11, 2013 06:13 AM            

On topic:

posted April 11, 2013 07:38 AM            

I just really admire that, how is it anti-bad girl?

posted April 11, 2013 07:41 AM            

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

posted April 11, 2013 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
She has a huge Capricorn stellium, Capricorn women are strong and full of ambition, since being ruled by Saturn..

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

Whats wrong with that?

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posted April 11, 2013 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
She has a huge Capricorn stellium, Capricorn women are strong and full of ambition, since being ruled by Saturn..

Shes modest, and comes off as innocent like a flower, but underneath all that shes really strong and she wouldn't be manipulated or anything. And she'll stand up to anyone who hurts her.

Whats wrong with that?

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Nothing. But it sounds different from, "Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..You're scared of hurting her."

In your OP she sounded like someone who needed help and protecting, but applauding her for being so fragile strikes me as like applauding someone for being so physically fragile, it's not something to admire (DO NOT mistake me for saying "they deserve to be condemned") and it strikes me as unhealthy to think, "Oh how wonderful it is to be so fragile, everyone should aspire to remain so vulnerable, nearly helpless and dependent on others, rather than learning to stand on their own." (Ok, maybe The Last Unicorn )

Your revision makes her sound very different...and generally speaking, those types don't need protecting, they're the ones to DO the protecting. (ETA: And btw, GOODNESS IS NOT WEAKNESS. A lot of people make that mistake and it contributes to evil in the world because they think to be good means being a lamb and so choose to be a lion instead, that is to hurt others so they're not hurt themselves, proving to the world they're not to be messed with by making "examples" out of others. I'd rather people didn't equate being good with being fragile and dependent on others for protection.)

posted April 11, 2013 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I know a really innocent girl, shes a Christian, really nice, only seventeen, very different from girls her age. A lot more pure and innocent, not concerned with sex and drugs at all, more of her studies. I think shes very good to look up too. Others might find her boring but I find her very mystical and otherworldly.. like the Virgin Mary..I'm serious here.this is more like.. extreme admiration. :V

Shes like a really sensitive flower that you just need to look after and protect.. you can't help but to get the urge to protect her and be with her to remind you of the innocence/purity you once had..

You're scared of hurting her

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posted April 11, 2013 09:49 AM            

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Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal

posted April 11, 2013 10:08 AM            

After reading your description of that girl and your later explenations, I would say that I am that type of girl you described. Iīve also been called boring yet fascinating, as paradoxal as that sounds.

Innocence is not the lack of experience - thatīs naivite. Innocence is a choice.
Iīm not at all fond of religious morals, but if the person really belives in something in their heart than that makes them spiritual. Spirituality isthe most common quality in people who chose innocence/purity.
For a long time I thought all people have the potential to chose innocemce, but the older I get the more I belive that it is a rare quality to be WILLING to chose it. But on the other hand, those who do donīt have a choice but to chose that path, because they feel the calling from the "spirit" orwhatever you want to call it.

The irony is that girls like us are VERY strong, and we can fight, but we do it only if itīs the right thing to do.

People try to mess with me all the time, because of my fragile appearance. Somehow alot of people dislike girls like us. They think weīre pretentious, unintelligent, manipulative, weird, dishonest, mean and so on.

I think itīs just that we operate on a different energy level than most people. I have aspergers I think. Bad girls are usually very socially skilled. I donīt admire them though. They have their role in the universe, and we have ours. I tried beng friends with them, but they walked all over me, because I let them. So my conclusion is that we donīt mix.

I think bad girls fit with nice guys.
I have no idea why, but Iīve seen alot of bad girls eventually marry a nice guy. I think the yin/yang thing applies here.

posted April 11, 2013 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Seventeen Eighteen in December.

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posted April 12, 2013 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
[b]Seventeen Eighteen in December.

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Yes, 15 in July.

posted April 12, 2013 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
If I was a man I would love innocent girls, no contest.

A lot of people like sexy, naughty girls. Which I can totally see the appeal to, but those innocent sweet-heart people just appeal to me more.

I'm very fond of Moon in Pisces/Cancer people in general, also.

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Well, I like quirky women, and do agree there are some flowers that really should not be exposed to harshness.

The ones who think for themselves and can hold a legit conversation, who have a unique style, and like odd things like vintage zippos or what have you.

posted April 12, 2013 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
There is something I dislike about that kind of innocence... but my dislike is not directed at the person.
What bothers me is the social/religious/political context that gives rise to such behaviour.
From my perspective - animal instincts - survival instincts - the instinct to eat, to drink, to reproduce - is a beautiful thing. I am in the Osho camp on this - not at all in the Ghandi camp.

Organised religion often downplays human sexuality - mainly female sexuality - and historically several seriously horrendous crimes have been committed against women due to this fear of sexuality.
When I see a person who is brainwashed and forced to go with the "grain" - and hence *hiding* everything that makes her human.. in order to fit this mold of the "ideal" perfectly nice/good Mother Mary type - it just reminds me of religious oppression and religious dogmatism.

Osho:

"During three thousand years, man has been through five thousand wars — killing and killing and killing. And you call sex animalistic? Animals have never done anything more ‘animalistic’ than man. And you think man is not an animal? Man IS an animal. And the idea that man is not an animal is one of the hindrances for your growth. So you take it for granted that you are not animals, and then you stop growing."

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Really?

Ever watch ant hives go to war with each other?

There have been lots of wars, it took atheistic dictators to raise it to a real slaughter, Communism put over 100 million people into the dirt, Socialistic Fascism also has their tens of millions of dead to their account.

posted April 12, 2013 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
There have been lots of wars, it took atheistic dictators to raise it to a real slaughter, Communism put over 100 million people into the dirt, Socialistic Fascism also has their tens of millions of dead to their account.

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posted April 12, 2013 11:58 PM            

Like that song by Meredith Brooks....

posted April 13, 2013 03:17 AM            

Well she DID admit to not reading everything I said, so of course it was impossible for her to comprehend what I said. What I'm curious about is how she felt valid in having a meltdown when she just skimmed it, I'd have thought basic common sense would prevent that. Perhaps she has A LOT of fire AND water in her chart? (ETA: I've also picked up that she doesn't like people who have a lot of placements like mine.)

Still, I've been getting a lot of hostility in the past week or so that's been building up (seems to be going back down now), and ironically I'd been accused of sheltering kids too much just a couple of days before Snorkel tore into me for the opposite reason and with about as much heat saying I was going to turn them into soft people unprepared for how hard the world was and expected everything handed to them on a silver platter. There was no valid reason for this either (I asked because I was downright baffled by that assertion) and it seems to have been inspired by my challenging his ridiculous assertions on what schools are like, and for some reason he had a total meltdown over it and thought I was some extreme liberal out to destroy the social order, including in corrupting the kids. But there wasn't enough sense in what he said to understand, it was almost pure emotion with non sequiturs.

I know which one my boy agrees with. He had a meltdown with me on Wednesday after I got back from seeing the Evil Dead with a friend and he asked if I'd take him and I said no, and I forbid him from seeing it with anyone else. Normally he's a good sport about these things but he flew off the handle, too. I tried explaining my reasons as I always do but today (that is, Friday) was the first day he seemed to be over it (but then he's 10, I don't expect him to be reasonable or control his emotions all the time, not to say he didn't get some time in his room to calm down after he called me some names).

posted April 13, 2013 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Padre - I wish I was you for a day.
It's ok if you don't understand why I am saying that.

Some things are too much for me. I am wondering sometimes why certain people are in my life...,..on or offline.. I wish I could get to the bottom of certain things but perhaps I never will.

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((HUG)))!

I know my words seem odd, and views are just not mainstream, but Odette, would not wish being me on anyone.