posted April 25, 2013 03:42 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
^Padre,
I understand that .... why must you always state the obvious? The point of what i'm saying is alot of women are rude to men (that was also the author of the articles point) and this makes men hesitant to try and talk to women. Of course a woman may not feel like chatting.and you know what? that is fine and understandable, but must they be rude about it? couldnt they say "I am busy" and flash the man a smile and wish him a good day? would that be soo
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Let's see, ime:

-dude stares at the women like a dog waiting to catch a bone
-dude talks to the women, rarely bothering to do say "hello, how are you"?
-dude of course has an agenda, not bothering to you know, listen to what they have to say.

I'm not 100% sure how things work in your town AG, for myself, in literal millions of conversation, this always has led at least to a normal conversation.

Then again, I'm not you, so your experiences are different from mine. I'm just open and honest and chatted with women and rarely have ever had a problem.

In fact, this night a rather attractive young lady and I talked, could tell she was having a rough time of it and just wanted to talk to someone, anyone (imo) who'd listen to her (her BF died a couple of months ago in tragic circumstances) and I, wait for it, bothered to recall his name and one would think I built the Hubble Telescope from her reaction.

One thing led to another but would not take it to that level, imo only an idiot could not see that she was very vulnerable and in a bad place.

But I guess, actually listening is a lost art today.

posted April 25, 2013 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[b] This is also coming from the man, who felt entitled to a date with a heavy set girl BECAUSE she was heavy set. Pfft.

"All of the men who commented on the article, thought it was good." That's all I need to know.

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Hmm, just finished reading "No Fat Chicks"

Fascinating book, up until the mid 60's the avg dress size in US stores was 14.

1) uhm, one does the work to get into "great shape" not for dating (though it doesn't hurt) but..for yourself.

2) if one feels that way, just put on front street, if one does not like curvy women, then say so upfront.

3)If one does like curvy women..then say so upfront

May sound odd to you AG, but women can handle it, this idea that one is a tool b/c you do or don't find whatever attractive is a myth.

Now what I cannot abide is being out, in the real world, and seeing a heavier lady off in the corner with absolutely no one talking to them.

posted April 25, 2013 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Let's see, ime:

-dude stares at the women like a dog waiting to catch a bone
-dude talks to the women, rarely bothering to do say "hello, how are you"?
-dude of course has an agenda, not bothering to you know, listen to what they have to say.

I'm not 100% sure how things work in your town AG, for myself, in literal millions of conversation, this always has led at least to a normal conversation.

Then again, I'm not you, so your experiences are different from mine. I'm just open and honest and chatted with women and rarely have ever had a problem.

In fact, this night a rather attractive young lady and I talked, could tell she was having a rough time of it and just wanted to talk to someone, anyone (imo) who'd listen to her (her BF died a couple of months ago in tragic circumstances) and I, wait for it, bothered to recall his name and one would think I built the Hubble Telescope from her reaction.

One thing led to another but would not take it to that level, imo only an idiot could not see that she was very vulnerable and in a bad place.

But I guess, actually listening is a lost art today.

Put it this way, if a homeless person asked you for 20 dollars, you'd more than likely say "uhm no". When a dude steps up to a lady with then intent to have sex..guess what is going to happen?

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posted April 25, 2013 04:08 AM            

Best way to put it, as Randall pointed out, approach anxiety, this I have none of, simply b/c I'm fine with saying "hello, how are you"?

If she wishes to talk, she'll talk, if not, she won't, I'm fine with it either way.

For young guys though, it's a sort of kamikaze mission, which, unless one is just drop dead good looking, usually ends up poorly.

TBH, I've turned down more phone #'s then I've ever bothered with, sometimes they are just tiresome.

You do know, that no matter how attractive one may find her, you don't HAVE to do anything?

posted April 25, 2013 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
^Padre,
I understand that .... why must you always state the obvious? The point of what i'm saying is alot of women are rude to men (that was also the author of the articles point) and this makes men hesitant to try and talk to women. Of course a woman may not feel like chatting.and you know what? that is fine and understandable, but must they be rude about it? couldnt they say "I am busy" and flash the man a smile and wish him a good day? would that be soo
hard?

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#9.

posted April 25, 2013 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
He wasnt claiming that women dont need men,he was saying alot of women today give the impression that they dont want men to talk to them. Alot of women are extremely rude to men who try to talk to them.I know this because I have been on the receiving end of it and almost every guy I know has experienced similar things.Believe me , after you experience it a few times it makes you less enthused about trying to talk to girls.As a guy I can tell you that lots of women appear extremely unapproachable, I have talked to girls who will flat out tell you they are unapproachable yet complain that men never try talking to them.

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Maybe these women have less patience than me. I've only rarely been rude though simply saying, "Not interested" does not get through to many of them, they mistake lack of interest with playing hard to get, that is instead of leaving me alone they think I'm encouraging them. In some cases I believe men are playing the "1 in 10 game," that is he pushes as far as he can figuring while 9 women will slap him 1 woman will say yes, at least if pushed hard enough, and won't stop until he's slapped (at least metaphorically). If I saw men as some collective entity in which I focused on the worst aspects then I'd probably be as rude as hell as well, and if men I didn't know stopped trying to pick me up in general well I wouldn't have complained.

posted April 25, 2013 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just wish you were obsessed with something else besides women once in awhile. They don't like you right now, just accept it. Dinosaurs, cooking, anything....this ish is OLD.

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posted April 25, 2013 07:58 PM            

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hannaramaa: They don't like you right now, just accept it.

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posted April 25, 2013 08:13 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just wish you were obsessed with something else besides women once in awhile. They don't like you right now, just accept it. Dinosaurs, cooking, anything....this ish is OLD.

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posted April 25, 2013 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just wish you were obsessed with something else besides women once in awhile. They don't like you right now, just accept it. Dinosaurs, cooking, anything....this ish is OLD.

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This is so true, have to comment on it b/c I've seen it so often.

IME, young guys want one thing, those other interests, if ever mentioned, are not really talked about.

More like "

"..so do you have a boyfriend..."?

"..so can I have your number..."?

"..after downing a shot, and not listening to anything you've said, can we..."?

And from what I've witnessed, this just happens over and over again and usually ends up with a epithet or just the hung dog look of a man who did get what they "wanted" from their effort.

The thought that, sometimes the conversation itself is far more enjoyable never enters their booze addled minds.

If I could ever put out a #1 rule in all of that it would be.."be interesting.."

So called bad boys are whatever, at least they are interesting. THAT I can understand, the other stuff that comes along with it, flakiness, no forward momentum, etc, never quite got.

Be interesting and of all things, if one is going to put up with the workouts understand that one is not doing it for someone else, one is doing it for 1 person..yourself.

posted April 26, 2013 01:28 AM            

ag, would you please listen to some of us for once? please.

posted April 26, 2013 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I just wish you were obsessed with something else besides women once in awhile. They don't like you right now, just accept it. Dinosaurs, cooking, anything....this ish is OLD.

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You can club a horse, tie him up, drag him with a rope to a watering hole, shove his head under water, but you still cannot make him drink.

Note: No horses were harmed in the making of this parable.

Just leave AG be, leave him to his own beliefs and opinions. There is absolutely no point in ever responding or trying to have a conversation about anything even remotely related to women on any level. His experiences have made him bitter, completely close minded, and intent on self fulfilling prophecies on the subject matter.

This topic should be closed. It is doing nothing to further any discussion.

posted April 26, 2013 04:36 AM            

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Swift Freeze: You can club a horse, tie him up, drag him with a rope to a watering hole, shove his head under water, but you still cannot make him drink.

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I think the problem is, the horse doesn't realise that water (our knowledge) will save him (maybe get him a girl for once).

posted April 26, 2013 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

IME, young guys want one thing, those other interests, if ever mentioned, are not really talked about.

More like "

"..so do you have a boyfriend..."?

"..so can I have your number..."?

"..after downing a shot, and not listening to anything you've said, can we..."?

And from what I've witnessed, this just happens over and over again and usually ends up with a epithet or just the hung dog look of a man who did get what they "wanted" from their effort.

The thought that, sometimes the conversation itself is far more enjoyable never enters their booze addled minds.

If I could ever put out a #1 rule in all of that it would be.."be interesting.."

So called bad boys are whatever, at least they are interesting. THAT I can understand, the other stuff that comes along with it, flakiness, no forward momentum, etc, never quite got.

Be interesting and of all things, if one is going to put up with the workouts understand that one is not doing it for someone else, one is doing it for 1 person..yourself.

Even that is interesting imo, just don't go Jersey Shore, it's more of a self confidence thing.

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posted April 26, 2013 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I told her that one of the rarest qualities to find in a young woman today—at least towards eligible men—was kindness.

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No wonder this guy is single.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So many men are simply starving for kindness from a woman but so often find sarcasm and cynicism instead. One man commented to me on a climate nowadays of a prevailing hostility among women towards men.

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This guy is like your soul mate, aquaguy! You both imagine that women are mostly hostile.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
It is easy for a man to feel that some women are actually looking to find fault, ready to pounce on him at the slightest ill-chosen word or misspoken comment.

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Gee, and I'm sure women never feel this way about men! Maybe instead of pegging it as a gender issue, throw your hands up and say it's a fallen world?

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
In Christian women this can manifest in self-righteousness, or a kind of assumed moral superiority over men—often unconscious on their part. Men complain that they often feel around women that they cannot win, or say or do anything right. Such women drive men away.

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posted April 26, 2013 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I think the problem is, the horse doesn't realise that water (our knowledge) will save him (maybe get him a girl for once).

Any ways, his topics, and basically half of everywhere else he goes, regress to content like this. So instead of chastising hanaaramaa, or any one else for that matter, why not tell aquaguy not to open his mouth? We're all tired of it but you're going to tell us not say something when he acts like this? Nuh uh, cutie pie, maybe the horse should just be put down.

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posted April 27, 2013 06:59 PM            

Those who don't like you aren't worth the time of the day, and those who aren't sure aren't worth your consideration.

I had plenty of dates from women far more attractive than I am, and that's not too difficult. After a while, those pretty boy types don't amount to a hill of beans because they just fall to the wayside after a while. Unless what you want is just plain sex, because the pretty boy ones find it much easier than you do.

At the end of the day, continue being well mannered and a pure gentleman. Be educated and have a good, stable profession. Look like a prince, walk like a king and speak like an emperor. Conduct yourself with confidence and even a little bit of an arrogant swagger. Behave like a leader. Be a strong Alpha. Be the leader of the pack. Slay your enemies. They like that.

posted April 28, 2013 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Those who like you will come to you. No need to try to talk to women. Be aloof if you need to. Those who like you will come to you. Trust me.

Those who don't like you aren't worth the time of the day, and those who aren't sure aren't worth your consideration.

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I do practise that too. I do get rejected once in a while but i know that I'm lovable enough to be love whatever however the world is.