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Topic: Abortion and Texas, Feminism and Culture
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somethingexcellent
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From: walking with my head in the clouds!
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 03:06 AM
  
Culture must shift. If anyone hasn't already heard, Wendy Davis is leading a filibuster on an anti-abortion bill in Texas. She's had to stand and continuously talk, no food no water no bathroom, for up to thirteen hours to prevent a bill from being passed that will shut down all but four to five of abortion clinics in Texas. Not only that, it will make abortion illegal after 20 weeks of pregnancy.Woman are cheering her on, and they're being arrested. An elderly woman was arrested for leading a cheer.
The senate is trying to change the timestamps to say that the anti-abortion bill was passed yesterday.
The senate, comprised of middle aged white men, are trying to prevent women from receiving abortions.
The senate tried to invalidate her filibuster on the grounds that she's emotionally biased as a woman. I can't believe that people still think that feminism is a damaging thing. Feminists are fighting for a woman's right to make decisions concerning her body. I can't believe people think that misogyny isn't a pressing issue. A group of sexist, conservative men are trying to police what women can or can't do. The people in power don't want your voice to count if it goes against their best interest. Equality and choice are still being fought for. And people think that American society is misandristic? Too liberal? That everyone already has equal rights and treatment? Patriarchy exists. Come out from under your rocks. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 03:09 AM
texas should just go ahead and be it's own country....expecting this smiley to be quite active...
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Lexxigramer
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posted June 26, 2013 03:28 AM
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/26/195723770/texas-lawmakers-11-hour-filibuster-ended-on-a-technicality?utm_source=NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130626 IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 03:34 AM
I started reading about Wendy Davis, I really hope she runs for governor. There is hope, texas is turning into a blue state too. The democrats will always appeal to the minorities. This is just the bruised ego of the texan republicant party trying to demonstrate their influence. I'm not going to say is entirely a male privilege issue, although in a lot of ways it is because they are old middle aged men.
Religious institutions are prevalent in the south.
I'm sure their a lot of religious/conservative women who support this absurd bill. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 2506
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 26, 2013 03:42 AM
Another fun thing about Texas when it comes to women and the sanctity of life...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/opinion/moore-texas-craziness/index.html quote:
A San Antonio man was just acquitted of murder even though he admitted to shooting a woman during a dispute over paid sex. Ezekiel Gilbert said he shot Ivie Frago in the neck when she refused to return the $150 he gave her for sex. She was paralyzed and died seven months later at 23.Frago had made the dreaded mistake of not understanding Texas has laws on the books that are much more frightful than Florida's "Stand Your Ground" statutes. The use of deadly force is apparently justified "in the night" when someone attempts to leave with your valuable or tangible property. Frago instantly became a thief under Texas law when she refused to have sex or return the money, even though prostitution is also a crime.
Of course we only have his word that she refused to provide the illegal service. I have to admit that even though I grew up in Texas and know well how vigilante it can be I was surprised by this...after all, Texas politicians even passed laws against gangs selling sex toys and go after dildo runners, therefore I'd have thought they'd have gladly crucified the guy (while also praising Jesus for another dead hooker and hoped it brought more to Jesus), but apparently not...his money was worth more than her life. And if there was a way to know then I'd bet money that had he walked away without paying her and she shot him saying he had HER property/money instead that she'd be headed for death row now. Wait, I just realized...the sex toys Texas goes after are for WOMEN. And I know for a fact that porn stores aimed at men operate just fine. Even small towns in the East Texas Bible Belt have places where you can buy porn (though they don't advertise or show it openly, it's still legal). Heck, the first time I saw porn was in a Bible Belt town so small that many maps don't list it, and some of it was really hard core, too (freaked me out at the time, me being 13)... IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 03:58 AM
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Lexxigramer: [URL=http://www.npr.org/blogs/...[/URL]
The bill wasn't passed but the behaviour of the senate was deplorable. Smells faintly of that point of suppression just before revolution. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 04:09 AM
exactly it will be like a war on women.I'm sure there are plenty of men who are against this bill.
Who else is gonna pay child support... IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 04:29 AM
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Kerosene: I'm sure there are plenty of men who are against this bill.
There were women for it, men for it, women against it, men against it...the important thing is that men in power were resorting to unlawful behaviour to try to pass it, disregarding women in power (one of the republican female senators tried to have a say but her male colleagues spoke over her). IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 05:05 AM
Well I ment even conservative men who aren't in the government.Majority of conservative and religious people are complete hypocrites, they judge others but at the same time their sinners themselves. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 05:28 AM
Soo apparently the fact that some Texas politicians find abortion immoral and want to get rid of them is proof that the u.s is a patriarchal society. Why do people consider this a sexist issue? It has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with religious beliefs . But apparently the most feminized country in the world is misogynistic because some of its citizens and politicians have problems with killing fetuses/babies. If we want to talk about reproductive rights men don't have any of those...tell me again how the u.s is a misogynistic country.IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 05:35 AM
Remember your male privilege.
All countries are misogynistic.
Yes even le france  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Remember your male privilege.
All countries are misogynistic.
Yes even le france
So a country where women dramatically outnumber men in college is misogynistic? And this same country still has affirmative action to get more women into college, does that sound like misogyny? Does divorce raping men and giving everything they own to women make a country misogynistic? What about ridiculous sexual harassment laws where a man can get fired from a job for telling a woman she looks nice? And soo many more examples...
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Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 05:48 AM
If you rank below average I will let you a rant with out calling you out. IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 05:53 AM
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aquaguy91: Soo apparently the fact that some Texas politicians find abortion immoral and want to get rid of them is proof that the u.s is a patriarchal society. Why do people consider this a sexist issue? It has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with religious beliefs . But apparently the most feminized country in the world is misogynistic because some of its citizens and politicians have problems with killing fetuses/babies. If we want to talk about reproductive rights men don't have any of those...tell me again how the u.s is a misogynistic country.
It's not just "some Texas politicians". Did you even read what what happened? Do you even know what patriarchy is? Patriarchy is the fact men in power outnumber women, and men in power will go to extremes to invalidate the arguments and movements of women. Women have the right to abortions but these conservative politicians want to take that right away. Men are trying to govern women's issues. That's patriarchy. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 06:03 AM
WTF seriously..
Come up with a better argument.
You do realize everyone I can leave a large list to rebuttal your argument.Aquaguy you are 100 percent a troll.. Don't even bother OP.. IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 06:10 AM
If aquaguy wants to challenge the existence of patriarchy, how about the repeal of Wisconsin's Equal Pay Act? Without it, employers can discriminate who gets paid more based on sexist things like, uh, sex. Women still earn only 3/4 that of men, and that was with a law that said women have to be paid equally with men.IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 06:15 AM
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Kerosene: Don't even bother OP..
No, I will bother! I will not be quiet when someone is rampantly misogynistic, or at the very least, extremely uninformed/removed from reality. I will not be quiet so as to maintain the status quo. This is real life, things happening in the states of his country, and he doesn't even realise the reasons for which they are happening. Edit: I don't mean to be giving you heck or anything but he just threw dirt in the face of the issue at hand, my jimmies are a little rustled.  IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 06:17 AM
Aquaguy
It's one thing when you argue about relationships because thats based on personal experience but arguing that women are more privileged than men is ridiculous. Misogyny and patriarchy exist in this country, especially in our governments
Get educated on these issues.
You learned about this in social studies class.I do believe we should treat women equally no special treatment, but to deny we don't have patriarchy is very trollish. The reason why some women asked to be treated specially because they live in a mans world. Would you want to be treated like a second class citizen. If there was no patriarchy as op said there would be no reason to ban abortions Anyways I was just saying he's trying to get a rise out of us.
He has moon opp pluto, I know how these people tick. 
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
If aquaguy wants to challenge the existence of patriarchy, how about the repeal of Wisconsin's Equal Pay Act? Without it, employers can discriminate who gets paid more based on sexist things like, uh, sex. Women still earn only 3/4 that of men, and that was with a law that said women have to be paid equally with men.
They repealed a law that made it easier to take cases of salary discrimination to court, they didn't repeal equal pay laws.
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somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 06:31 AM
Yes, and the Act was meant to help deter employers from discriminating. A step backwards is still a step backwards.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 06:48 AM
Well if we go by the logic that banning abortion is misogynistic we could also say that the government is misandric for putting men in jail because they don't want to be dads and pay child support. If women can opt out of parenthood men should be able to do the same. As it is a woman has the power to have a man put in jail (if she chooses to ) if he refuses to pay child support. Personally I don't have a problem with abortion, but I would still say there are lots of other options that are better. What about birth control, condoms, the morning after pill,adoption, or abstinence? Ultimately I agree that women have the right to do what they want but I still find it odd when people get soo worked up over this issue when they don't do the same for men who get punished for opting out of fatherhood. We live in a misogynistic country all right...IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
Knowflake Posts: 1424
From: walking with my head in the clouds!
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posted June 26, 2013 07:05 AM
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aquaguy91: If women can opt out of parenthood men should be able to do the same. As it is a woman has the power to have a man put in jail (if she chooses to) if he refuses to pay child support.
The father IS opting out of parenthood by leaving the child to be raised by the mother. Paying child support does not equal parenthood! If the father got custody of the child, then the mother can very well be required to pay child support too. Your country is still misogynistic. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 2681
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 07:08 AM
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So a country where women dramatically outnumber men in college is misogynistic? And this same country still has affirmative action to get more women into college, does that sound like misogyny? Does divorce raping men and giving everything they own to women make a country misogynistic? What about ridiculous sexual harassment laws where a man can get fired from a job for telling a woman she looks nice? And soo many more examples...[/B][/QUOTE]Ok I got fired up for the sake of an argument, because I love debates/arguments A higher percentage of women maybe in college but that means nothing, the reason is because they are second class citizen.
In this countries minorities have a higher acceptance rate compared to Caucasians. The government does this to create statistics that make our country appear fair. That does not mean anything in the long run, at least not in this age. Minorities and women will have to face adversity in the work place. Having parent who is both a female & a minority has to face adversity although she is a headmistress she has recently found out through good source her pay check is not the same as her male college, and is far more capable, performance wise too . She isn't complaining, which I honestly don't seem to understand why... These things are common and happen, not just in the US but all over the world.
In her own country her male colleagues would receive a higher pay check too. Also men have no right over a womans body and what she chooses to do .
plain and simple...
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
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posted June 26, 2013 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
The father IS opting out of parenthood by leaving the child to be raised by the mother. Paying child support does not equal parenthood! If the father got custody of the child, then the mother can very well be required to pay child support too. Your country is still misogynistic.
hold on there.. It's the same principle, a woman gets an abortion because she does not want to be responsible for a child (financially and otherwise). So why shouldn't a man be able to do the same? Why should a woman or the government be able to make a man responsible for a child against his will? Especially since people think its an outrage for the government to pass laws limiting abortion. Even if a woman has to carry the child full term and give birth to it she has the option to give it up for adoption and opt out of parenthood that way. But if a woman decides she is going to have a child she has the ability to force a man to be a father and financially support the child. A woman has soo many options too avoid having children yet she also has the ability to force a man to take responsibility and have him thrown in jail if he decides to opt out of parenthood. Men have zero reproductive rights..IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 6821
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 26, 2013 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
The father IS opting out of parenthood by leaving the child to be raised by the mother. Paying child support does not equal parenthood! If the father got custody of the child, then the mother can very well be required to pay child support too. Your country is still misogynistic.
hold on there.. It's the same principle, a woman gets an abortion because she does not want to be responsible for a child (financially and otherwise). So why shouldn't a man be able to do the same? Why should a woman or the government be able to make a man responsible for a child against his will? Especially since people think its an outrage for the government to pass laws limiting abortion. Even if a woman has to carry the child full term and give birth to it she has the option to give it up for adoption and opt out of parenthood that way. But if a woman decides she is going to have a child she has the ability to force a man to be a father and financially support the child. A woman has soo many options too avoid having children yet she also has the ability to force a man to take responsibility and have him thrown in jail if he decides to opt out of parenthood. Men have zero reproductive rights..IP: Logged |
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