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aquaguy91
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posted August 05, 2013 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I can link you a forum that is so vile, it's the creation of small male ego.

It's so vile you'll probably go to a local church and ask for forgiveness.

I wouldn't do that to you guys .


Man what is it with guys in the LGBT community, why do ya'll hate straight guys soo much while glorifying women?

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posted August 05, 2013 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Yeah well.

Why can't I just chill out on the beach, get fed and grow fat and happy?

Why can't I mooch off some woman who will work hard and feed me unlimited amounts of great food and pay for me to relax?


Because your wife won't let you?

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posted August 05, 2013 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMFAO what LGBT have you been in?

It's the complete opposite,
The gay community worships butch fags.
Even if you're ugly, masculinity is still desirable.
Lesbians are sent to the back of the bus.
Don't even get me started with minorities.

This is why I don't go to pride anymore.
Its all rubbish.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I never said I was not sexiest. I really dislike the male gender as a whole
This does not mean I hate all men.. I have a bigger issue with patriarchy.

I just like the better gender.



I have bigger issues. I just like nobody

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Kerosene
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posted August 05, 2013 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll probably end up like you

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posted August 05, 2013 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LMFAO what LGBT have you been in?

It's the complete opposite,
The gay community worships butch fags.
Even if you're ugly, masculinity is still desirable.
Lesbians are sent to the back of the bus.
Don't even get me started with minorities.

This is why I don't go to pride anymore.
Its all rubbish.


This is true, as I've seen in my town several times, the sort of "manly" gay male is highly prized.

Lesbians I've been around, tbh, tend to be a little schizoid and not as vocal or by as willing to let their freaky flag fly.

Gay dudes will stroll up and just hit on whomever, just point blank. Where even the most bull dykey of lesbians tend to sort of take their time.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LMFAO what LGBT have you been in?

It's the complete opposite,
The gay community worships butch fags.
Even if you're ugly, masculinity is still desirable.
Lesbians are sent to the back of the bus.
Don't even get me started with minorities.

This is why I don't go to pride anymore.
Its all rubbish.


Well my mom hung around gay guys alot when I was younger and they would always join in with the women and talk about how awful straight men are. One of my best friends is gay and he tells me that attitude is pretty standard in the gay world. I have also encountered the same attitude online. I would agree that Gays worship the masculine look but not the men behind the look. lol I know this because I have been hit on by gay guys a few times.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to tell AG this for awhile but you should try you luck with she males and trans girls

They would totally worship a normal masculine straight dudes, it's hilarious.

They would lick the feet you walk on.

I've met plenty of convincing ones too.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

As for the premise of the thread, health wise?

Sure, women have it far tougher than men.

As for a societal pressure, men have far worse than women do and sort of have to live life in the West with one hand tied behind their back.

As an example, has anyone ever heard a female described as a loser?

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posted August 05, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
LMFAO what LGBT have you been in?

It's the complete opposite,
The gay community worships butch fags.
Even if you're ugly, masculinity is still desirable.
Lesbians are sent to the back of the bus.
Don't even get me started with minorities.

This is why I don't go to pride anymore.
Its all rubbish.



I didn't know this, K.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eh I see it as relatively equal. What women endure physically, emotionally, and socially, men equally endure socially, emotionally, and physically in their own way. Male privilege often exists at the expense of the men who "enjoy" it.

For example, men are privileged at the expense of their own ability to relate with the world. Society raises boys to be desensitized to the world. We are instead inspired to be aggressive, competitive, dominating, resourceful, and self-sufficient. Though humans are pack animals, boys are raised to believe that needing the support of others makes them fundamentally flawed.

Male privilege is also won at the expense of individuality. Boys are raised to be self-sufficient, but not enough to appear unique. Self expression especially by non-aggressive men, is viewed as non-male and often inspires aggression from other males. If you don;t fit a specific mold, you are seen as threatening.

Male privilege is won at the expense of vulnerability. Boys are raised contrary to their nature, if you want to cry, you'd better not; if you want to dance, you'd better not; if you find something beautiful, keep your feelings to your self. By adulthood many men are so disconnected from their self, they are socially useless for more than working and supporting a home.

I read an article today where a woman discussed her son's first day of school. Apparently his favorite color was pink so he showed up to school in pink galoshes. The school called her to pick him up early because the other kids destroyed him over his choice of footwear. He immediately made his mom take him to the store for a pair of blue boots and to this day refuses to own anything pink or purple. She was sad, because she understood that though pink was his favorite color, he would never allow himself access to that interest again.

Then someone commented on the article saying, "I was happy to have a girl, because I knew if she grew up to want to wear pink, or blue, or a skirt, or pants, she could and not be bothered for it".

Point being, where women endure physical pain for almost every month of their life, men endure constant personal stricture and often unspoken crisis. Often the crisis has no release point.

Anyone who thinks men have it made hasn't taken a lot of factors into account and the same is true for anyone who feels the same about women. Men who complain about having to take care of women, forget to consider that the woman pays for it by enduring them. A majority of those men are just as much a pain in the a$$ as any woman they feed. Men who complain that women are more easily provided assistance are valid in that men are expected to fix their own problems. Contrarily I think it is a huge oversight to expect assistance given to women is without consequence. Women are victimized often by those who "help" them. A world where girls just run around and get handouts is entirely imaginary and indicates lack of practical experience with women.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Well my mom hung around gay guys alot when I was younger and they would always join in with the women and talk about how awful straight men are. One of my best friends is gay and he tells me that attitude is pretty standard in the gay world. I have also encountered the same attitude online. I would agree that Gays worship the masculine look but not the men behind the look. lol I know this because I have been hit on by gay guys a few times.

Oh Lord, the stories I have about being hit on by gay men, it actually gives me some sympathy for women who get hit on just going about their business.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey were probably mistreated by straight men AG.
It does depend on the guy, and his preference but masculine tops are in demand.

The majority of the community consists of whiny queens who're sad about being bullied as a child... It's pretty depressing environment.

Also goes to show the abuse effeminate men receive.
After all in our world femininity is a sign of weakness.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
hey were probably mistreated by straight men AG.
It does depend on the guy, and his preference but masculine tops are in demand.

The majority of the community consists of whiny queens who're sad about being bullied as a child... It's pretty depressing environment.

Also goes to show the abuse effeminate men receive.
After all in our world femininity is a sign of weakness.



I am getting a feel for a community I know little about. Thank you K.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Contrarily I think it is a huge oversight to expect assistance given to women is without consequence. Women are victimized often by those who "help" them. A world where girls just run around and get handouts is entirely imaginary.


I got into this fight full force with a female sociology professor in college, so much so that the academic dean got involved I still ensured myself an A in the course notwithstanding the feminist professor, the female academic dean and the class of 28 women and one homosexual man who was indifferent. Besides giving birth and breast feeding, there is absolutely nothing any woman can do that I cannot do, and often do more efficiently and better. I can even be self sufficient in my other needs since I'm not physically handicapped and still have both palms. If I desire children, there are lots of deserving children I can adopt without the presence of a female. I don't need any "consequences" from any "victimized" females, and I have nothing to do with the other jackazzes running around and detest them as much as anyone else. Just because I have a penis and two testicles doesn't warrant pinning a scarlet letter D on my chest. I take care of my wife out of love and not out of obligation. Nobody forces anybody to marry anybody. I provide love; I don't dole out "handouts." Want a handout, speak to the federal government. I personally find that train of thought extremely insulting.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
hey were probably mistreated by straight men AG.
It does depend on the guy, and his preference but masculine tops are in demand.

The majority of the community consists of whiny queens who're sad about being bullied as a child... It's pretty depressing environment.

Also goes to show the abuse effeminate men receive.
After all in our world femininity is a sign of weakness.


I'm not much of a fan of the community either, but I don't expect too much from such a relatively new social group. I'm especially considerate of the conditions gay people faced before the community began to form. Personally I stay away because I haven't found much benefit from being involved.

Your comment about masculine tops is dead on and AG's comment about being more into the image than the person is also pretty accurate. As I have gotten older though, I have seen a lot of stuff outside the regular formula. I have several friends who are more interested in people regardless of their apparent gender. I guess times they are'a slowly changin'.

Being a relatively andro personality with a more masculine exterior has caused unwanted attraction for me in the past. Fortunately as soon as they realize I am not the epitome of masculinity, the attention wanes and I can get back to enjoying my beer lol.

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posted August 05, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it really that much of a hassle going to good college and getting a cushy job?

I have no qualms about it... I'm happy in college and I love what I'm doing.
If I was a woman I would probably do the same thing...
Wouldn't I make a good provider?

I could probably use my sexuality to leech of others but I'm not a lazy bastardd anymore.
Actually when I was in high school I use to leech off my extremely rich classmates..

However I respect home makers, raising children is not easy..
My dad was a home maker and he had a difficult time dealing with two teenage girls who have strong sag energy..

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posted August 05, 2013 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I don't need any "consequences" from any "victimized" females, and I have nothing to do with the other jackazzes running around and detest them as much as anyone else. Just because I have a penis and two testicles doesn't warrant pinning a scarlet letter D on my chest. I take care of my wife out of love and not out of obligation. Nobody forces anybody to marry anybody. I provide love; I don't dole out "handouts." Want a handout, speak to the federal government. I personally find that train of thought extremely insulting.

Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other. I was not saying men deserve consequences for helping women, because all men want to victimize women. I was saying women often experience consequences from receiving assistance, because it is common for men to help with expectation of repayment. Because women are valued as sexual objects, having your car break down on the side of the road becomes a lot more complicated than just dealing with a broken car.

I'm glad your relationship is healthy. Just because you have a healthy approach to woman doesn't negate the reality that the threat of victimization is both real and common. This is especially true when one considers the entire world and not just western society.

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posted August 05, 2013 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh Lord, the stories I have about being hit on by gay men, it actually gives me some sympathy for women who get hit on just going about their business.

It actually doesnt bother me much. What's funny to me is how my gay friend tells me I should take it as a compliment because gays are alot pickier and more shallow than women when it comes to judging a guys looks. My only question to him was "if that's the truth,why arent the women beating down my door?"

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posted August 05, 2013 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do agree men have their own issues.
Men are pressured to be the biggest walrus on the iceberg...
Yup.
That's so primitive, and why I feel humans are like animals and should be treated as evolved primates and not divine creatures.

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posted August 05, 2013 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
*grabs popcorn*

*waits for ag*


LMFAO!

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posted August 05, 2013 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It actually doesnt bother me much. What's funny to me is how my gay friend tells me I should take it as a compliment because gays are alot pickier and more shallow than women when it comes to judging a guys looks. My only question to him was "if that's the truth,why arent the women beating down my door?"

Well, my "male privileged" self does not particularly care for the explicit nature of said advances.

I do think the whole 'men have to have manners" part of all this is hi-llarious, that is not a two way street, quite the opposite.

To me, that stuff is very much society telling men "be a good boy and do this"

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posted August 05, 2013 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

Complex item didn't come with User Manual or PDF Instructions. Especially difficult when troubleshooting inoperation without a toll free technical support phone number. Trouble often results in no special blinking lights or beeping sounds, so no idea what happenned. Complex item very temperamental and volatile. May work great one moment and then break down the next moment without explanation.

User Manual for Female type A:

-How to interpret response-

Question: Is something wrong?

Response 1: No, why?

Interpretation: Nothing is wrong.

Response 2: Yes, my feet are killing me.

Interpretation: Truth, nothing else is wrong.

Response 3: Everything is fine.

Interpretation: Mayday, mayday, inaccurate response, take extreme caution, forget what you're doing, pay attention, this is an immediate call to arms. RED ALERT.

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posted August 05, 2013 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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User Manual for Female type A:

-How to interpret response-

Question: Is something wrong?

Response 1: No, why?

Interpretation: Nothing is wrong.

Response 2: Yes, my feet are killing me.

Interpretation: Truth, nothing else is wrong.

Response 3: Everything is fine.

Interpretation: Mayday, mayday, inaccurate response, take extreme caution, forget what you're doing, pay attention, this is an immediate call to arms. RED ALERT.


Funny, what I'll do is refer to a situation that bothered them earlier:

"So, how did it work out with Helen over Jane getting promoted"

"Fine"

"Yeah, thought so, you seem upset still, or is it something else?"

9 times out of 10..then the real problem will arise...go into active listening mode..but don't say anything unless asked for response..eat a snickers..this will take awhile

One of the legitimate advantages women do have is they are expected, and even encouraged, to conversation hog.

If a man did the same, he'd be called a boar, when a I women does it "oh, talking about feelings".

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posted August 05, 2013 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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mockingbird: *grabs popcorn*

*waits for ag*


My thoughts exactly. Aquaguy, READ what Xiiro posted!

Remember long ago when you said you drove a girl around town, running errands for her, then got angry when she said she didn't want to go on a date with you? Male privilege.

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