posted October 19, 2013 05:01 PM            

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posted October 19, 2013 05:04 PM            

Some other days, I look away fast. Eh.. old biases die hard. But getting there.

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posted October 19, 2013 05:25 PM            

It's not easy when it's deeply injected into your psyche at an early age.. You learn to walk the path of intolerance.

I've never outspokenly made someone uncomfortable for their looks. Quite the contrary. But it always bothered me when I was harsh in my head.

posted October 19, 2013 06:36 PM            

Society is really great at making people unsure of perfectly natural and healthy body types. Everyone has probably questioned their physical appearance at some point or another, and almost exclusively because someone else has decided to make them aware of something. If you were to take two kids, of a smaller and larger body frame, the larger body frame child wouldn't think anything of it, unless it was pointed out, at which point they start to wonder why it was pointed out, is there are an issue? If so should I address it? From here it's a spiral.

In a society that puts a tremendous amount of pressure on Women, and now in this age, Men as well. It sickens me to know that companies and people prey on these induced psychological perceptions.

I feel the same way as Kerosene, confidence is sexy, be happy with who you are, because there is someone out there who will love you for it.

There are people of all body types who are attractive. As long as you don't have any associated health diseases, from either being seriously under weight, or seriously overweight, I don't see a problem, and even then it doesn't stop them from being attractive.

This goes against the grain, and I know not really in sync with Adipositivty, but I prefer women who have curves. They're just plain sexy to me. Plus I feel like I would break an ultra slim woman in the bedroom, and I don't really want to go to prison for murder =/.

I also have thoughts about my own image. I'm at the point that if people don't like my personality, then that's on them, There will be others who do, and I am one of them.

There will be people who like the way I look, and I am one of them.

There will be people who like the way I express myself emotionally, and I am one of those too.

I won't lie, every now and then I do wonder. I'll chalk it up to human nature.

posted October 19, 2013 10:31 PM            

Besides being fertile or virile is more than enough to attract plenty of partners, beauty only attracts unwanted attention...

posted October 20, 2013 01:11 AM            

So I want to be clear FIRST.

1) It's only my opinion - if you don't like it - just ignore it. One man's opinion is nothing to fight about unless he's president or something similar.

2) I have not one problem with "larger" people. People are welcome to be what they want and if they want to flaunt it, so be it. I'm no one to judge and my opinion has nothing to do with the judgement of people. Or about looking down on them, etc etc.

I'm fine with it and people can do whatever they want. Tatoos, body modification, whatever. It doesn't matter to me.

My personal viewpoint - it almost encourages an unhealthy lifestyle. I'm just saying. Being heavy like that is simply not healthy. There's no argument about that. I like to see people healthy, not because of aesthetics, only health.
I am not one of those people who lost 120 pounds and transformed dramatically. I did lose some weight though, toned up, cardiovascular system working well. I simply FEEL so much better than I did previous to that.
I just wish that for others.
But again, it's their choice and if they want to flaunt it I have not a single issue with it.

posted October 20, 2013 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
I'm going to say something that probably won't be popular. LOL Surprise.

So I want to be clear FIRST.

1) It's only my opinion - if you don't like it - just ignore it. One man's opinion is nothing to fight about unless he's president or something similar.

2) I have not one problem with "larger" people. People are welcome to be what they want and if they want to flaunt it, so be it. I'm no one to judge and my opinion has nothing to do with the judgement of people. Or about looking down on them, etc etc.

I'm fine with it and people can do whatever they want. Tatoos, body modification, whatever. It doesn't matter to me.

My personal viewpoint - it almost encourages an unhealthy lifestyle. I'm just saying. Being heavy like that is simply not healthy. There's no argument about that. I like to see people healthy, not because of aesthetics, only health.
I am not one of those people who lost 120 pounds and transformed dramatically. I did lose some weight though, toned up, cardiovascular system working well. I simply FEEL so much better than I did previous to that.
I just wish that for others.
But again, it's their choice and if they want to flaunt it I have not a single issue with it.

That's all I'm saying. I tried to make that as clear as possible so people just see a viewpoint neutrally and not get all poopy-pants on me.

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I've lost, literally 60 pds over 3 yrs

And had a great time doing so.

My issue with Hera's OP is this:

There is an aesthetic for a reason, a dividing line if one will, being Saggie means barriers are there for others, not for one with clear vision.

However, if one can swag being heavy I have mucho respect.

posted October 20, 2013 05:32 AM            

This thread wasn't about the medical condition, otherwise I would have posted in Health and Healing. This is about obesity as a social condition.

posted October 20, 2013 06:41 AM            

No one has anyone tell me I should cut back on the carbs or stop drinking because my body has societies seal of approval even though I was really out of shape and unhealthy...

posted October 20, 2013 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I think it's great!!!!
I've always been really pleased with my body and never felt the need to transform into the ideal.

I think people should love their bodies regardless if others or even the majority does not find it appealing.
Even if people find this cheesy there is something sexy about a person who owns its.
I'm definitely attracted to people who seem secure with themselves as opposed to someone with insecure body language .

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posted October 20, 2013 12:32 PM            

Whether on the heavy side or very very thin...regardless of weight,

posted October 20, 2013 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by NoRainNoRainbows:

Whether on the heavy side or very very thin...regardless of weight,

isn't it who you are on the inside that matters the most at the end of the day? (or should matter??)

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posted October 20, 2013 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
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Love that song.

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I'm heavy. I hate the "Real women have curves" campaign, because if we're going to promote body positivity and encouragement and all these back patting, feel-good slogans then they should include everybody. Marketing preys on exclusivity, and superiority complexes and it just makes me sick because it works.

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What are you comparing yourself against to say that you are heavy?

I'm with Hera, unless there are health issues directly related to weight, then it is perfectly fine.

Why should you feel bad about the way you look because some person somewhere picked one girl and said, "This. This is the model you must compare yourself against." Hell, any person could have been chosen. Hell who even has the right to tell us how we should look?

Society preys upon the human instinct to be part of a group, for security and other reasons. Using this base drive, they can then put pressure on, having a career, having a family by a certain age, getting married, having a white fence house, looking a certain way, buying certain items, even tipping a certain amount. If you look at all the things people do, many rarely do it for themselves.

"Why did you buy that?"
"I don't really know, all my friends have one, or something similar."

"You're working so hard you must love your job."
"Not really."
"How come you are working for a promotion then? Surely that is more stress and more work?"
"I don't know."

Sure there are people out there, who want a career, want to be married and have 2 kids by 30 and a house, 2 cars. Be a member of some social club perhaps.
The beautiful thing about being human, is the freedom of choice. We have the freedom, to choose and to be whomever we want to. We have the freedom and choice to live and make whatever life we want for ourselves.

I know a lot of this comes down to money, and we need money to do these things, but there is always a way around.

Social pressure needs to be given the giant middle finger imo.

Everyone is not socially accepted as beautiful, but I don't care what society says or thinks. Would you let some random person come up to you, chide you for buying an inorganic apple rather than an organic apple? Then don't let them chide you about other things. They don't know you, they don't know your life, or anything about your personality.

posted October 20, 2013 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
[b]Not all overweight people are unhealthy, actually. Of course morbid obesity is a health risk, but some overweight people can live healthily, actually. I read an article some time ago, stating that mild obesity can actually prolong life and the main reason was that they usually get more check-ups than thin people who take their health for granted.

This thread wasn't about the medical condition, otherwise I would have posted in Health and Healing. This is about obesity as a social condition.

There is judgment being placed on these people and it's not because of their health, or lack of. They're automatically labeled as lazy, undisciplined, weak willed etc. That sort of stuff bothers me. [/B]

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For a reason Hera, being really overweight contains a moral judgment that those who are cannot control themselves.

What does dishes in the sink, or an unmade bed tell people who see them..does it speak to discipline.

posted October 21, 2013 02:00 AM            

You asked for opinions and I gave you one.

But, since we're being topic Nazi's....
If they want to model and what have you, I don't give a sh*t. Do it.
But it's not for me for various reasons none of which I'll share any deeper with you because if someone disagrees with you - (you being LindaLand) attack. It's the way of LindaLand.

posted October 21, 2013 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
For a reason Hera, being really overweight contains a moral judgment that those who are cannot control themselves.

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It is not the overweight that contains the moral judgement (overweight is just overweight), the moral judgement comes from other sources than the factual overweight. It might trigger the judgement, but it does not "contain" it.

posted October 21, 2013 05:30 PM            

I agree with you to a great part.

However,there are definitely differences in being "fuller" or having a "full figure" and that line when people become morbidly obeses (and those always pose health-risks).

But the question is, where is htis line? And is it the same for everyone?

(I don`t really think so).

Personally I think beauty, or what we perceive as beauty (which is not necessarily the same for everyone), is a mix of the appearance (including our looks, but not only our looks) and what we have inside.

The prettiest girl in the world can get really unattractive sometimes when they open their mouth to speak.

(that does not come from me, that is something my brother often said when coming back from parties)

posted October 22, 2013 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It is not the overweight that contains the moral judgement (overweight is just overweight), the moral judgement comes from other sources than the factual overweight. It might trigger the judgement, but it does not "contain" it.

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Indeed, the plain fact is human are lazy and make rapid judgments of others based on appearance all of the time.