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somethingexcellent
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posted November 28, 2013 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been talking with a friend eventually I came to the conclusion that...I don't even view myself as a person, I view myself as an object. I'm serious! I'm just a collection of impulses and ideas which is attracted to other ideas. I feel alive but I don't feel human nor animal.

I think it's because...you can't categorise me as anything really. I don't behave like anything. I am the ultimate androgynous individual! Sure, I am physically male, but I don't behave male. And I have no connection to my body either. I don't behave female either, or anything else. I even look like a mix of both. I don't care to look a certain way, I am just myself. Same with sexuality - I don't behave gay or bi and I most certainly am not heterosexual either. So like, what am I? An object. Just an object that happens to be alive.

So idk, I guess I'm asking for other people's views on being a person. What does it mean to you, to be human?

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posted November 28, 2013 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, okay, I'll be honest here.

Also this may not really be a direct answer to your question but it's what I thought of.

I'm NOT religious. I don't have any particular set of do's and don'ts, etc. I am "spiritual" I guess you could say.
The reason that I even MENTION that is because in my personal view, which it is only a viewpoint of one person. So I don't want to get involved in some heated discussion.

I don't get caught up in sexuality, race, personality. (Not that you do either! I'm just saying.) At least not when I think of someone as a part of the human race. As a person. A person to me has a soul that at the core of everyone, is really what makes them individual. It's little influences on who we are and how we behave, subtly.
I just know that I have yet to be proven wrong, but everyone wants love, to be social, to have friends, they want to be part of a family, to be accepted. Just a lot of those basic needs, common needs, among all people all around the world.
I can be aggressive, mean, etc. But sometimes if I actually take the time to think a little deeper. I can like even the most grumpy, annoying person I know. Simply because I know that they fight the same basic battles that I fight. No one escapes mortality and we all have to face it. They desire the same basic things that I do - such as love. Love from who seems irrelevant to me - love is the common point.

So to me it's those things that make a person - a person. Whether they be short, tall, fat, skinny, a midget, black, Asian, White... gay, bi, rich or middle class, poor, whatever.

Well anyway, I just want to reiterate, it's only my viewpoint.


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somethingexcellent
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posted November 28, 2013 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am nihilistic, which is supposed to be a common phase for teenagers. The thing is, I am still optimistic and concerned about developments too, so I really don't think I'm just going through a bitter, cynical phase...

I'm sort of spiritual too, in ways. I keep things open because I don't believe anything can be known right now, though I do subscribe to the idea of cause and effect as the only closest thing to a moral principle in the universe.

I don't believe in right on wrong, per se, just that what you put out comes back eventually.

I asked my friend, and she describes me as an experience lmao! Things I identify as more strongly than I identify as human: "an experience", "an object", and "70% air".

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12muddy
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posted November 28, 2013 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting question.

To me, probably the ability to contemplate life and death. I think being aware of death urges me to find a way to live my life in a way that is meaningful to me. I have a few years on Earth, so I choose to experience it my way.

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Odette
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posted November 28, 2013 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love this question... but personally - I feel very much animal 100% lol

I'll come back to this!

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posted November 28, 2013 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am whoever I want to be on any given day..

I was the boy next door the today
I going to be a seductive sex kitten tomorrow (EDIT:apparently on thanksgiving, well this should be interesting)
I going to hide and be invisible from the world the next day. ( ^ accurate :P)

I have a chameleon soul, with no fixed personality..
Honestly when I'm by myself I'm kinda of this blob of nothingness or maybe I'm everything.
I know my personality changes around different types of people but it depends too on how I want to portray myself.
I think it's cool I have this talent of being different people, looks and personality wise.

It's like playing dress up everyday, I don't really care who or what I am.
but I can be whatever you want me to be

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somethingexcellent
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posted November 28, 2013 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far we have somethingexcellent, super fixed, the object/experience
Odette, very cardinal, the animal
and Kerosene, the ultimate mutability.

An interesting group...

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12muddy: I think being aware of death urges me to find a way to live my life in a way that is meaningful to me.

Even death doesn't sway me. I mean, it's inevitable, right? I could die tomorrow and it would be okay. I don't think I would even be afraid if someone said they were going to kill me. I'd die willingly because, I believe in reincarnation, and as such, I've died millions of times before. This life is but one stepping stone!!

Though, that doesn't mean I have no will to live. There are still many things I wish do and have and experience and learn.

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PixieJane
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posted November 28, 2013 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
What does it mean to you, to be human?

To me being a person is having thoughts, ideas, impulses, and self-aware (sentient). Objects are inanimate and don't have these things (at least not in a way we humans can recognize) and therefore you are a person rather than an object.

Granted, once AI is fully created then that will no longer be the case...though personally I think any sentient entity should have protection (and probably equality) under the law (and thus a person).

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somethingexcellent
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posted November 28, 2013 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for somethingexcellent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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PixieJane: and therefore you are a person rather than an object.

Don't tell me what to do!!!! JK lmfao! I know I'm a person (ew), but I feel like an object. An animate object.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted November 28, 2013 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A person is a person who is a person who lives and didn't die yet

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posted December 12, 2013 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds a bit like schizoid personality. We have difficulty with understanding the concept of 'I' as it relates to ourselves. Jung had some fascinating theories on why that is, but it's a very complex, thorny issue.

Needless to say, wrapped up in a fractured sense of self which never fully developed.

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posted December 12, 2013 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Thread, SE. I will come back and study more before I respond! xx

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posted December 13, 2013 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
I've been talking with a friend eventually I came to the conclusion that...I don't even view myself as a person, I view myself as an object. I'm serious! I'm just a collection of impulses and ideas which is attracted to other ideas. I feel alive but I don't feel human nor animal.

I think it's because...you can't categorise me as anything really. I don't behave like anything. I am the ultimate androgynous individual! Sure, I am physically male, but I don't behave male. And I have no connection to my body either. I don't behave female either, or anything else. I even look like a mix of both. I don't care to look a certain way, I am just myself. Same with sexuality - I don't behave gay or bi and I most certainly am not heterosexual either. So like, what am I? An object. Just an object that happens to be alive.

So idk, I guess I'm asking for other people's views on being a person. What does it mean to you, to be human?


You are very human to me. Just because you don't fit into a mold doesn't mean you aren't. You are just who you are and that's all that matters. Be who you feel you are. Be true to yourself, this is the most important thing. What matters most is being at peace with who you are and happy, not feel angry or resentful over something.

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Padre35
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posted December 13, 2013 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A "person" is a human who reacts to the environment they either find themselves in, or create for themselves

All the while realizing they are "there"

The bar lowers of course, based on current state of being, lest the George Shaw dictum proves to be true:

"please justify your existence"

Depending on the state one finds themselves in, or a complete incapacity to answer, the Whitaker Chambers response to Ayn Rand's writings:

"...to the gas chamber go!..."

Proves also to be true

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Xiiro
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posted December 13, 2013 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I consider "Person" to mean "Source of Interactive Perspective". Which means I also consider other animals and inanimate objects people too.

The idea of personhood requiring some kind of protocol seems counter-intuitive to my concept of the word. The way I see it, there is everything-goop and then there are objectified nodes of everything-goop. The nodes are goop personified. Though they appear unique, they are all unique perspectives of interaction with the same goop.

Goopism Book 1:1

"In the beginning there was no beginning, because the concept of "Beginning" was just goop. The End (but not really... that's goop also)"

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Randall
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posted December 24, 2013 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A corporation is a person.

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Xiiro
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posted December 27, 2013 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
A corporation is a person.

LOL

As of what, 2010?

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Odette
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posted December 27, 2013 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Salomon v Salomon [1897] AC 22 is a landmark case for separate corporate personality.

quote:
A corporation is a person.

Unless the corporate veil is pierced

Then it's more like a zombie lol

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