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aquaguy91
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posted January 21, 2014 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is something I have never understood. Guys are the worst about this but I have seen women do it too. Basically what I'm talking about is how most people act is if sex is some complex skill you have to learn and they brag about their skills. Guys will brag about how huge their dong is and how much pleasure it brings women. I have yet to hear a guy own up to being less than 8 inches . I remember back before I had ever kissed a girl I had a lot of insecurities because I viewed kissing and sex as complex things that I knew nothing about . I would imagine a lot of inexperienced guys feel the way I did way back then and is there any wonder why? After I experienced all of these things I was shocked to find out that it was all very simple and straightforward. Now I have to laugh whenever I hear some teenager bragging about how big and skilled he is. My question is why do some people perpetuate all these myths about sex and get their egos so invested in it? Why don't people just enjoy it and leave it at that?

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posted January 21, 2014 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya man... I'm Asian... I'm so hot... I'm so skilled... mine's 2 inches. hahaha

Start bragging when you don't have to use your prowress to brag to females. Start bragging when females are kicking down the door to come to you. Since that ain't happenning, then don't brag lol

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posted January 21, 2014 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I think you really misunderstood what I'm trying to say. I think bragging about sexual prowess is silly, period.

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posted January 21, 2014 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy external validation. I think it's lame too.

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posted January 21, 2014 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 21, 2014 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

B/c men and women are hard wired to procreate and it is very much an "you are IN or OUT" situation.

And competition, I'd think this is more of a male issue AG, activism aside, men just like to brag about stuff, especially sex. (and cars, wallet size, housing, academic achievement. As an aside, why should anyone care what a pro sports team does? Bragging rights of course)

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posted January 21, 2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 21, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People brag about this for the same reason they brag about anything...they want attention and they want others to believe they are the best.

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posted January 21, 2014 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It actually is a skill you can learn. Sure anyone can insert part A into slot B but unless you're strictly concerned with procreation only then there's a lot more to learn. It's like anyone can kick someone else but becoming a martial artist takes work. Even those with an inborn talent at something typically have to work hard to bring out the full potential for whatever they have talent in (otherwise someone not so talented but works harder to develop their skill can outdo the one who gets by on lazy talent).

That said, people who are truly skilled don't brag, their egos don't require it (and others may do the bragging for them). 'Course teen boys love to brag about having skills they don't (be it sex, martial arts, or whatever).

And I have no idea where the idea of "bigger is better" comes from. And while I've heard plenty of females say they wish their guys could last longer I've also heard others who wish he'd hurry up so she could go to sleep.

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posted January 21, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ i don't get it.. All the mental masturbation ruins the moment.. I remember one of my old girlfriends made me so insecure before I kissed her because she acted as if kissing was this complex skill. She seriously grilled me about my kissing skills and I felt tons of anxiety because of it but when I kissed her she went into that trancelike state that all girls go into when you kiss them like all the others I have kissed. And I don't claim to have "skills" I just go with the flow. IMO it makes it so much more fun if you don't have all that anxiety and worry about your performance.

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posted January 21, 2014 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you have to know the woman's Venus. I am a Venus in Gemini.If a guy can't talk, I don't care what else he has

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posted January 21, 2014 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People brag about everything LOL.
Since people are so body and fitness conscious it can be a taboo because it can evoke insecurities

So I guess you opinion is how the majority feels...
Idk some people have worked hard to improve their bodies and performance..
I'm not offended if people brag about their d*cks. If anything I ask if I can take a peek LoL
Lets see how comfortable they are now.

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posted January 21, 2014 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally get you here AG.

I find it completely idiotic to act like sex is a complex skill or some sort of "fascinating" thing that is just oh sooooo interesting

I would say this is because as a society we have too many religious and social taboos and many people are too far removed from their animal instincts.
I'm glad to be an Aries LOL At least this is one problem I don't have.

Also - some people are just bored and not really making use of their homo sapien IQ... so they end up engaging in "odd" stuffed up behaviour to keep themselves entertained in life.. e.g. sexual power plays.
I really feel like the whole 'making sex extra complicated for oneself' - is something only a bored person could do.

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posted January 21, 2014 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand where you're coming from yes but what's the point in getting all deep and serious in things that you'll never get a full understanding of.. ? We're all people and all think similarly, yet individually. Sex at the end of the day is just sex.

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posted January 21, 2014 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^ i don't get it.. All the mental masturbation ruins the moment.. I remember one of my old girlfriends made me so insecure before I kissed her because she acted as if kissing was this complex skill. She seriously grilled me about my kissing skills and I felt tons of anxiety because of it but when I kissed her she went into that trancelike state that all girls go into when you kiss them like all the others I have kissed. And I don't claim to have "skills" I just go with the flow. IMO it makes it so much more fun if you don't have all that anxiety and worry about your performance.

The women you're surrounded by are space aliens. They can be found elsewhere but they're not anywhere as close to normal as they apparently are in your neck of the woods.

Generally speaking women tend to confuse sex & love--more so than men, actually. It's typically not about skill but about how you make her feel (conversely other women will "love" anyone who can give them the most powerful O's). It's amazing (and scandalous) to me how many women are ignorant of their own bodies (and I've heard how mothers are more comfortable explaining male anatomy to their children than female anatomy) and not surprising that so many sexually active women have rarely to never experienced the Big O (and worse, I've heard a few who THOUGHT they had until they had for real).

I'd think magazines like Cosmo could help fix that but sadly for all their relentless obsession with sex and promising to make it better the most of it (at least that I saw) was based on polls on what attracted guys (for example, favorite sex position and then basic instruction on said position without explaining how to make it wonderful for both), interesting enough I've seen a lot more men's magazines with good advice (usually written by a candid, experienced woman, though too bad many men don't pay attention), perhaps because men are typically able to separate love from sex better whereas too many women are under the delusion that romantic love = good sex, just like in all those romances they were raised on, the happiness will come (no pun intended ) naturally. I think even yourself have complained that women unreasonably expect men to know what it is they want when they want it without ever actually saying, and on that much I agree as it's based on that illusion they have of love, fantasies that come from not only Disney but just absorbed growing up (I'm reminded of this, explaining as how a little girl she'd have a "king of romance" but it was all based on romance rather than skill, that is he was awesome and therefore kissing him would be awesome).

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posted January 21, 2014 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More on how it tends to work in women minds (generally speaking):
http://youtu.be/vs1cIE4nT8Q?t=55m34s

Let it play about 3 and a half minutes to just pass 59:00 (to after she redefines him after the breakup and hating herself for letting him "fool" her).

That's autobiographical (though more from her "inner self" which is to say what and how she was feeling and how it colored how she felt about her guy, including on what kind of kisser he was), btw. Just to be clear I'm not saying all or even most women are this way, but I know of a great many who are.

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posted January 21, 2014 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idk I knew a girl that would complain about sex with her boyfriend.. my face when i learn she just lays there like a log and expects him to do everything...

Just apply lip gloss and assume they're the living embodiment of Aphrodite.
I feel like those are the people that just complain about their partners techniques.
because everyone knows sex is like fun exploration and it may not be perfect the first couple of times...
You should happy they are giving you pointers, but yeah constructive criticism should not be taken as an offense but again try not be seem so mean spirited.

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posted January 21, 2014 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The women you're surrounded by are space aliens. They can be found elsewhere but they're not anywhere as close to normal as they apparently are in your neck of the woods.

Generally speaking women tend to confuse sex & love--more so than men, actually. It's typically not about skill but about how you make her feel (conversely other women will "love" anyone who can give them the most powerful O's). It's amazing (and scandalous) to me how many women are ignorant of their own bodies (and I've heard how mothers are more comfortable explaining male anatomy to their children than female anatomy) and not surprising that so many sexually active women have rarely to never experienced the Big O (and worse, I've heard a few who THOUGHT they had until they had for real).

I'd think magazines like Cosmo could help fix that but sadly for all their relentless obsession with sex and promising to make it better the most of it (at least that I saw) was based on polls on what attracted guys (for example, favorite sex position and then basic instruction on said position without explaining how to make it wonderful for both), interesting enough I've seen a lot more men's magazines with good advice (usually written by a candid, experienced woman, though too bad many men don't pay attention), perhaps because men are typically able to separate love from sex better whereas too many women are under the delusion that romantic love = good sex, just like in all those romances they were raised on, the happiness will come (no pun intended ) naturally. I think even yourself have complained that women unreasonably expect men to know what it is they want when they want it without ever actually saying, and on that much I agree as it's based on that illusion they have of love, fantasies that come from not only Disney but just absorbed growing up (I'm reminded of this, explaining as how a little girl she'd have a "king of romance" but it was all based on romance rather than skill, that is he was awesome and therefore kissing him would be awesome).



Imo all these problems come from overthinking sex. I just go with it and there was only one girl I could not bring to orgasm and she couldn't even reach one by herself so there was no way I could have done it. It's all a matter of seeing how your partner is responding to what you are doing. It's amazing what foreplay can do.

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posted January 21, 2014 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never bragged or paid attention to others bragging.
If you brag and can't back it up what's the point. The truth comes out either way.

If people want to brag, oh well.

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posted January 21, 2014 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I totally get you here AG.

I find it completely idiotic to act like sex is a complex skill or some sort of "fascinating" thing that is just oh sooooo interesting

I would say this is because as a society we have too many religious and social taboos and many people are too far removed from their animal instincts.
I'm glad to be an Aries LOL At least this is one problem I don't have.

Also - some people are just bored and not really making use of their homo sapien IQ... so they end up engaging in "odd" stuffed up behaviour to keep themselves entertained in life.. e.g. sexual power plays.
I really feel like the whole 'making sex extra complicated for oneself' - is something only a bored person could do.


I suspect it is very much the other, thin veneer of civilization overlaying animals pretending to be what we are not when it comes to sex.

I find it all very funny tbh, 6 billion people on the planet, 3 billion sex acts, and yet there is the huge body of "how to" literature..

Reminds my of Sylvester the Cat pretending that the last thing on his mind is eating Tweetie..nope..never crosses our minds..nothing to see here, move along

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posted January 22, 2014 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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6 billion people on the planet, 3 billion sex acts, and yet there is the huge body of "how to" literature

Some of those are worth reading, too.

'Course you're probably thinking of procreation rather than pleasure, and probably assuming pleasure is as "automatic" to women as it is men (it's not, but I can't explain the anatomy and why it matters without Randall locking the thread).

But I do recall reading of a South American country (Chile?) where the government was putting out pamphlets on how to conceive children because "too many were doing it wrong." A writer for Reason magazine asked the good question "are you sure we want people like that breeding anyway?" Though I'm betting it was that the country was devoutly Catholic and birth control difficult (or at least inconvenient) to come by so that the people came up with alternative ways to minimize or eliminate the chance for pregnancy but couldn't admit it because that's not what "good Catholics do." That is, they weren't doing it wrong, they were doing it in a way that appealed to them without the consequences the state and church wanted to come of it for their respective reasons and only pretended they "didn't know how."

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posted January 22, 2014 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Some of those are worth reading, too.

'Course you're probably thinking of procreation rather than pleasure, and probably assuming pleasure is as "automatic" to women as it is men (it's not, but I can't explain the anatomy and why it matters without Randall locking the thread).


The two are not mutually exclusive, I'd say one is supposed to lead to the other.

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But I do recall reading of a South American country (Chile?) where the government was putting out pamphlets on how to conceive children because "too many were doing it wrong." A writer for Reason magazine asked the good question "are you sure we want people like that breeding anyway?" Though I'm betting it was that the country was devoutly Catholic and birth control difficult (or at least inconvenient) to come by so that the people came up with alternative ways to minimize or eliminate the chance for pregnancy but couldn't admit it because that's not what "good Catholics do." That is, they weren't doing it wrong, they were doing it in a way that appealed to them without the consequences the state and church wanted to come of it for their respective reasons and only pretended they "didn't know how."

Which usually boils down to resources and investment into raising children from such consumations.

The fact pregancies were declining does not mean less sex was happening.

Thus Sylevester and Tweetie.


None of which deals with AG's OP, which is basically ego attached to a fundamental function of life. No different than eating in the meta sense if not the individual sense

A celibate would not care either way, a Cad would really care..tho always found it odd when a guy we telling other guys about their penis size..uhm..why would a man care to hear about it?

Thus why I always found it funny, someone has the wrong sexual marketing plan implementation strategy

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I feel a lot more comfortable with people who simply go with the flow of our mutual physicality, as opposed to people who read a textbook on "how to" f*** me.
These "how to date" "how to have sex" etc etc... seem pointless to me.

If they are helpful to others - that's great and they should use them, but I am too instinctual to want a manual and I am not particularly interested in being with someone who reads manuals either.

It's important to know your own body - to know your likes and dislikes and be able to communicate with your sexual partners, and obviously - having partners who *listen* and oblige. That's the main thing in enjoying sex.

It reminds me of going to the hairdresser. I have friends who like to get ideas/advice on their hairstyle from the hairdresser... I never ask them for ideas because I know exactly what I want done with my hair.

I'm exactly the same with men - I don't feel like they should come up with new things they read in a book somewhere.. because I already know what I want from them - and I'm happy to communicate and let them know what I want.

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posted January 24, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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you're probably thinking of procreation rather than pleasure, and probably assuming pleasure is as "automatic" to women as it is men

Well.... No.... He isn't necessarily assuming that ... because you can give someone all the pleasure in the world by listening to what she wants and being open.. and experimenting together - as opposed to reading "how to" literature.

And if you really feel like you *must* read how to stuff - and you find it interesting - it is still best that you read it together or talk about it - not simply - up and decide to test what you individually read one night with your unsuspecting partner... LOL...... "Surprise!!! Cosmo said you'd love this!" O_O
I don't like surprises personally (Cap Mars).

http://inoveryourhead.net/do-you-read-the-manual/

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When it comes to computers, there are two kinds of people in the world: Those that try, and those that read the manual.

If you experiment, that means that when you’re in a new program, trying to save a document or something, you click around: “Let’s see, how about ‘Edit’? Nope… maybe ‘File’? Ah, there it is! Save.” Then you save the document. See, it took a while, but you figured it out.

If you read the manual, it’s the opposite. You don’t know how to do something and you kind of freeze, call somebody for tech support, or you might reach for the manual.


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if you really feel like you *must* read how to stuff - and you find it interesting - it is still best that you read it together or talk about it - not simply - up and decide to test what you individually read one night with your unsuspecting partner... LOL...... "Surprise!!! Cosmo said you'd love this!"

But the comedic value!

I wish I'd thought to try that back when I was still having sex with men...it would've been good payback for a couple, especially one who wanted to play a game of "whatever is done in this porn we do" (when I had no doubt he already knew what was in it rather than it being a "game" for him).

But just to be clear I'm not just talking about the Kama Sutra. There are many people who can't think clearly about sex or have no idea or are otherwise utterly clueless, even about basic anatomy (and why it matters)! Many people can figure it out but not everyone can, and they're too afraid to ask and/or their partners are too afraid to tell even the most basic stuff that even a child should know yet parents who have conceived children still do not. Pity, that. Usually it's for the same reason that "make people morally better" in the view of some people.

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