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Topic: Co-Worker asked "why don't men listen?"
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Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 06, 2014 08:06 PM
Leaving the job was walking and a co-worker was walking along, we've known each other for a time and have always had a great, if understated relationship.INOW, I tend to know what she is "really" asking/talking about w/o just being dense. We were chatting and she asked "why don't men just listen and not argue"? Basically the guy she is planning on moving out of state for is coming to see her w/bad weather on the horizon and after being with her last weekend as well. She told him to not make the trip, he of course, is going to make the trip. To me it was rather obvious, (kept ye olde cynicism in check), this is what "men" are taught to do. White Knight, turn over heaven and earth to be with her, no matter how foolish and impractical and..her not really wanting him to there (which I did NOT say as she knew it all to well). To me, it boils down to men being told and taught to do certain things when it comes to relationships (I'm so into her, if I'm not there 24/7, she will think I've lost interest!), for women (she is older) it's if they told men what they really thought (look I want a weekend alone to chill out) it will drive a man she likes away. For all of the talk of St Valentine's Day, from my pov, it is merely making a whole lot of skittish people, esp women, even MORE skittish From my own pov, what I've learned from this is Men are taught incorrect things, and women are really not comfortable DELIBERATELY hurting someone else's feelings Small wonder things are the way things are in relationships among singles. And one can learn a lot by just listening and not being self centered BUT..flirty..this I own..I'm a flirt IRL IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6869 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 07, 2014 06:43 PM
It'd be nice if more men listened better, but then women wouldn't be given as many opportunities to strengthen our backbones. IP: Logged |
Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 07:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: It'd be nice if more men listened better, but then women wouldn't be given as many opportunities to strengthen our backbones.
I see this one is a hot topic... It's an odd mix Faith, she very much WANTS to believe this is her guy Magic 8 Ball is saying "signs point to no" Yet, she so very much wants to believe he is her man It's all good to be Yoda, when things get real, then what I think women do not really want to be in a position to HAVE to stregnthen men's backbones, it should be inherent Alas, now women are reduced to betting on wet noodles of men They wanted "sensitive new age guy" and men being wishy washy, they got them...good luck with that IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6869 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 07, 2014 07:51 PM
Stability AND enchantment, together, are hard to find between two people.IP: Logged |
Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 07:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Stability AND enchantment, together, are hard to find between two people.
May sound odd: "Stability, mandatory, chaos required" Problem comes in when people. men and women, give themselves away and lose sight of who they are and what they want out of life, even in a general sense Have to go, my lover is calling IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 52634 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 07, 2014 09:30 PM
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 10:40 PM
Well Padre, you know as well as i do that a woman's yes doesnt always mean yes and her no doesn't always mean no. Its the same rule when they say "thats ok" or "everything is fine". Its not always really "ok" or "fine" , in fact its often the opposite. Is it any wonder that men get confused? This is why its womens responsibility to "say what they mean and mean what they say" otherwise they have no room to gripe.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 10:59 PM
I can totally see why that guy is going to see her even though she says not to. They are a couple, or so it seems, and it will be the week of Valentines Day. Of course he thinks he should go. In his mind "dont come" means "you better come see me or you will never hear the end of it!!!" Women have trained men to react this way. How many men have taken women at their word only to suffer for it later on? LolIP: Logged |
Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 11:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: Well Padre, you know as well as i do that a woman's yes doesnt always mean yes and her no doesn't always mean no. Its the same rule when they say "thats ok" or "everything is fine". Its not always really "ok" or "fine" , in fact its often the opposite. Is it any wonder that men get confused? This is why its womens responsibility to "say what they mean and mean what they say" otherwise they have no room to gripe.
Not so AG, it is to women's good account that they really do not want to grossly show anyone up Point here though, is not that, it's more she WANTS to build a life around sand. There is an odd thing with me, I talk to much, things fall apart, i lose my edge so to speak "A wise old owl lived in an oak, the more he saw, the less he spoke, the less he spoke the more he heard, why can't we all be like that wise old bird"? Thusly I return to a fun, if cold, silence IP: Logged |
Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 11:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: I can totally see why that guy is going to see her even though she says not to. They are a couple, or so it seems, and it will be the week of Valentines Day. Of course he thinks he should go. In his mind "dont come" means "you better come see me or you will never hear the end of it!!!" Women have trained men to react this way. How many men have taken women at their word only to suffer for it later on? Lol
So wrong there AG, one does not know the diffrence b/t a hard and soft "no" A hard no is "do not come here, just don't" v don't come here, have nothing to wear and my son is..." IE, one knows how it works, or one does not, if she mentions problems (that she'd like you to solve) v "I just want to alone, we cool, just want to be alone" IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 11:17 PM
Well, i have had enough experience with women to know that you rarely know whats on their mind even if you do pay attention or listen. Take my mom for example... I can say "mom, im going to town to get a bite to eat, do you need/want anything while im out?" And she is all "no, im good"..... So i go to town and do my thing and go home and she is all "did you bring me anything?" And when i say "no, you said you didnt want anything " at this point she either gets angry and sulky or sends me back out and i get annoyed because i have to go back out to town.this type of scenario has played itself out a million times over in a millions mens lives. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 11:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Padre35: So wrong there AG, one does not know the diffrence b/t a hard and soft "no"A hard no is "do not come here, just don't" v don't come here, have nothing to wear and my son is..." IE, one knows how it works, or one does not, if she mentions problems (that she'd like you to solve) v "I just want to alone, we cool, just want to be alone"
The last time i checked there was not a "soft no" or "hard no" in the Webster's Dictionary. Its just no, no means no.
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Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 07, 2014 11:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35: [b] So wrong there AG, one does not know the diffrence b/t a hard and soft "no"A hard no is "do not come here, just don't" v don't come here, have nothing to wear and my son is..." IE, one knows how it works, or one does not, if she mentions problems (that she'd like you to solve) v "I just want to alone, we cool, just want to be alone"
The last time i checked there was not a "soft no" or "hard no" in the Webster's Dictionary. Its just no, no means no. [/B][/QUOTE]B/c one is a Aspy kid, is there a definition for "what does a smile mean in that context"? Nope, can put a bunch of invectives here, however, would rather watch the comedy of you flailing around..far more entertaining IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 08, 2014 02:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Padre35: B/c one is a Aspy kid, is there a definition for "what does a smile mean in that context"?Nope, can put a bunch of invectives here, however, would rather watch the comedy of you flailing around..far more entertaining
Fair enough... and to answer your question, not always. And it's Aspie, not Aspy. The thing with aspies is we are actually great communicators in a world full of people who think they are great communicators but actually suck. Just look at the world.... Full of constant misunderstanding and aggravation, all because people refuse to open up and be frank.. No matter how you look at it being direct and to the point is the best and most efficient way of communicating and leaves zero chances of misunderstanding. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 8490 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 08, 2014 02:17 AM
If you disagree with me, answer this simple question. Would it be more effective to hint at something or simply say it in plain english? Of course, saying whats on your mind is always more effective.IP: Logged |
Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 08, 2014 02:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: If you disagree with me, answer this simple question. Would it be more effective to hint at something or simply say it in plain english? Of course, saying whats on your mind is always more effective.
AG, it is hard to explain, I think it boils down to a matter of trust If a Lady trusts u, one can get away with murder deal is then do not abuse that trust Women can come to count on a man, what now? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 52634 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 08, 2014 10:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: Well, i have had enough experience with women to know that you rarely know whats on their mind even if you do pay attention or listen. Take my mom for example... I can say "mom, im going to town to get a bite to eat, do you need/want anything while im out?" And she is all "no, im good"..... So i go to town and do my thing and go home and she is all "did you bring me anything?" And when i say "no, you said you didnt want anything " at this point she either gets angry and sulky or sends me back out and i get annoyed because i have to go back out to town.this type of scenario has played itself out a million times over in a millions mens lives.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 37527 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 10, 2014 05:53 PM
Do women listen?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 37527 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2014 05:51 PM
It goes both ways.IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 6869 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 13, 2014 12:03 PM
Sometimes people genuinely don't care what the other person is saying, regardless of anyone's gender. Some people like it when you pretend to listen, some people think you should bluntly say, "Look, you are boring the hell out of me. Please stop." See, there's no way to generalize.
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Padre35 Knowflake Posts: 3185 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 14, 2014 01:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Sometimes people genuinely don't care what the other person is saying, regardless of anyone's gender. Some people like it when you pretend to listen, some people think you should bluntly say, "Look, you are boring the hell out of me. Please stop." See, there's no way to generalize.
Suspect there is sub communication as well going on, basically a OTR booty call vs "I need rest" IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 37527 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 18, 2014 01:52 PM
People are naturally self-absorbed.IP: Logged | |