posted March 27, 2014 04:57 PM            

This is because:
1. You were very disciplined with yourself and that you got where you are because of that;
2. You are tired of other people trying to drag you down to their level with tolerant attitudes as you've gotten ahead of others;
3. You feel all your efforts will be sabotaged by others with tolerant attitudes.

This applies to those who have had a net gain in life only, such that they would be viewed as jumping a few socio economic classes by society.

posted March 27, 2014 05:32 PM            

And then many unsuccessful people resent the more successful. It's easier than nust getting on with it. Others idolize and dream of being rich.

posted March 27, 2014 05:36 PM            

He worked his way up in life to be making a very good income, and holds a job of reasonable "status". He has definitely jumped a few steps in the socioeconomic department, and he does not think at all the way that you're describing. He is quite liberal.

I have lived in a very liberal city for 15 years, and it is not cheap to live here. I have friends who make very good money as well. Some of them did not go to college, and many were fairly poor while they did. They are likewise liberal, and do not share the views you are talking about. One good friend is a physics professor at a university. He is very liberal as well.

I think that what you're referring to is simply called having a conservative viewpoint. Poor people can have that as well as people who were born into money or earned it themselves.

Likewise, wealthy people can be liberal, whether they're born into their wealth or have worked their way up in the world.

Also, Global Unity 2.0 is a good forum for political debates.

posted March 27, 2014 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I think what you are saying is mostly false... Most people who are materially successful were born into that lifestlye.. Its easy to succeed when you had the best of everything growing up .. By the same token it is very hard to succeed when everything is stacked against you.

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posted March 27, 2014 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by page one:
I would have thought it would be the other way around.

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posted March 27, 2014 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
From what I have seen most successful people just don't understand what the average man has to worry and stress about on a daily basis... i always find it odd when wealthy people bicker about people who get welfare and food stamps.. As if people who are poor and barely make it are living it up.

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It goes back to the attitude I presented in original post, that weakness really won't be tolerated.

posted March 27, 2014 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Many successful people defy this theory. While those born to wealth may not be tolerant of the poorer folk, it tends to be out of ignorance not spite; those "on the make" may develop a cut throat attitude but many actually become successful while encouraging others to do likewise.

And then many unsuccessful people resent the more successful. It's easier than nust getting on with it. Others idolize and dream of being rich.

Generalizations are so likely to be off the mark.

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posted March 27, 2014 07:29 PM            

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I think that what you're referring to is simply called having a conservative viewpoint. Poor people can have that as well as people who were born into money or earned it themselves.

Likewise, wealthy people can be liberal, whether they're born into their wealth or have worked their way up in the world.

Also, Global Unity 2.0 is a good forum for political debates.

Here is the link. ]http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&num ber=26&SUBMIT=Go

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posted March 27, 2014 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
Good points. Not venturing into Global Unity though, this post was just a general philosophical. Global Unity is the adversarial debate nearly solely dedicated to US politics from my gleans of the past.

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Thanks.

posted March 27, 2014 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by 23:
I put the proviso in there to refer to up and comers, I'm very well of those born into wealth or position and their attitudes to others, I've been a victim or theirs' as well.

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posted March 27, 2014 08:44 PM            

Then she met my step-dad, who was a corporate bigshot and had money. They were both equally hateful and intolerant people.

They were not good people. I loathed their materialism and narrow-mindedness, and I wanted to be absolutely nothing like them. So I'm not. I could have gone to college for something that would make a lot of money, like my husband did, but I chose to go for something that would actually contribute to society and that I would enjoy.

Ironically, my dad ended up staying with his job as an electrician for 30 years and retired in better shape than my mom did.

He is also quite liberal, financially well off, and grew up in total poverty (not to mention foster homes). He has worked hard for what he has, which is a nice home, Veteran status, and a good retirement. He is a very tolerant person, and very liberal.

My husband has a Senior title where he works. I won't go into detail about that, because I don't want people figuring out where he works. He makes good money.

However, he hates his job with a passion, and we are making plans to leave where we currently live so that he doesn't have to work in a field that makes him miserable. It is excessively demanding, and he's constantly stressed as a result.

As I stated before, he grew up poor, worked his way to where he is now, and is a liberal, spiritually minded person.

We don't live in gluttonous luxury (we would obviously make more if I worked), but he makes more than a lot of people, and he has a corporate job where he is widely respected. We're certainly well above the median household income for where we live, which is higher than most areas of the country.

We're willing to give that up so that we can be happier in other areas. Our son will probably grow up to not share our values, as is often the case. Or perhaps he will, who knows.

It all depends on each person's priorities, imo.

I'll add here that my step-dad grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin with very conservative parents who had money but chose to basically live like Amish people. They have mostly donated their money to charities rather than give any of it to their children, as they consider it "unnecessary".

He did not have a college degree, and yet he worked his way up in the corporate world, as my husband did without his bachelor's degree. Both exceptionally intelligent and financially well-off men, with completely different priorities in life.

posted March 27, 2014 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I think what you are saying is mostly false... Most people who are materially successful were born into that lifestlye.. Its easy to succeed when you had the best of everything growing up .. By the same token it is very hard to succeed when everything is stacked against you.

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This is Dawn Loggins.

Tell her that she grew up with the best of everything; that she had things laid out on a silver platter; that her trust fund inheritance is funding her success; that she doesn't understand the plight of the less fortunate.

http://youtu.be/T9-a1tiT66E

This is Liz Murray.

http://youtu.be/iiE0sc5GMdQ

This is David Boone.

http://youtu.be/gtf93OeRdBg

Now, are you a privileged white man? Perhaps. Make something of it.

The only difference here is that you would b1tch and moan all day long about a playing field that isn't level, while those who aspire to greatness would just dribble the ball even if it is uphill and score the goal.

posted March 27, 2014 10:39 PM            

All those type of people these days make money more through sponsorship deals and their talent and charisma become marketable tools.

What I am talking about is what YTA is talking about, the 10th house. With a normal IQ or just slightly higher (say 110), self-discipline, some level of personal stability or conscientiousness (eg Violet's dad), an enjoyment of what you do and a will to succeed will get you far. You're not going to be a sought after actor but you can live better than the average person. You need a will, purpose and a desire to dominate.

I did it, it worked. Mr 23 did it too. Lots of hard work, coincidentally, he LOVES what he does and it pays well.

And for business, then it's just a matter of finding that hole that needs to be plugged and flogging it to death - that's called right place, right time or luck (recognising and exploiting an opportunity).

posted March 27, 2014 10:39 PM            

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This is Dawn Loggins.

Tell her that she grew up with the best of everything; that she had things laid out on a silver platter; that her trust fund inheritance is funding her success; that she doesn't understand the plight of the less fortunate.

http://youtu.be/T9-a1tiT66E

The only difference here is that you would b1tch and moan all day long about a playing field that isn't level, while those who aspire to greatness would just dribble the ball even if it is uphill and score the goal.

Any college student with the grades and SATS who aspires to the Ivy League coming from a family with a combined income of less than $75K a year attends college absolutely free, and that includes living costs, books and expenses. Up to $150K family income, the cost is limited to 10% of gross income, making college much cheaper than In-State public university. Therefore, it is total BS that there's no opportunity for the less fortunate. It's a question of how badly you want it. That separates those succeeding from those languishing in mediocrity.

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posted March 27, 2014 10:48 PM            

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Violets - that's because your dad obviously liked what he did, knew his niche, stuck to it and was conscientious. He's like the honest tax payer or the tortoise. He built and built and it amounted to something.

While your mum and step-dad seem like schemers or hares. To engage in that behaviour, you have to have that extra bit of zing in your personality. In Australia, we'd call them cvnts - $rseholes who are intelligent and can outwit you. That takes a certain personality type to pull it off, just a move to well paying job is not going to cut it. (Not referring to your parents as those words).

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Ha ha. No offense taken, that's a perfect description of them.

posted March 27, 2014 10:50 PM            

However, if you have a will, you have a way, you will get there but you might be a bit slower than others though.

I well aware of fixed socio-economic stratas, the top 1% will always stay where they are if they train their kids but there is still some room to move, a lot of room to move under them.

posted March 27, 2014 10:52 PM            

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My dad liked his job well enough, but not the politics.

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posted March 27, 2014 10:53 PM            

You are the only one who can turn around a bad situation. It's in your hands. Do something about it.

posted March 27, 2014 10:59 PM            

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AG - what you're talking about is 11th house matters, power and fame and wealth beyond your wildest dreams. Not everyone is going to be an athlete or actor/actress. This falls within the domain of talent, some if not a lot of hard work and charisma.

All those type of people these days make money more through sponsorship deals and their talent and charisma become marketable tools.

What I am talking about is what YTA is talking about, the 10th house. With a normal IQ or just slightly higher (say 110), self-discipline, some level of personal stability or conscientiousness (eg Violet's dad), an enjoyment of what you do and a will to succeed will get you far. You're not going to be a sought after actor but you can live better than the average person. You need a will, purpose and a desire to dominate.

I did it, it worked. Mr 23 did it too. Lots of hard work, coincidentally, he LOVES what he does and it pays well.

And for business, then it's just a matter of finding that hole that needs to be plugged and flogging it to death - that's called right place, right time or luck (recognising and exploiting an opportunity).

Your problem is that you think small, just like my dad. Nothing is ever possible.

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