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Topic: Nymphomaniac
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Dancing Maenad
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posted May 01, 2014 10:18 AM
  
The movie. Have you seen it? I plan to watch it tonight. ------------------
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Kerosene
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posted May 01, 2014 10:50 AM
Yes It was really nice..I watched it with another but I regret that
Idk some movies are just better to watch by yourself especially since you're distracted. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 01, 2014 11:33 AM
I agree. Although I am always in awe with the non-verbal, transcending communication in a mass of people, such as in a cinema or in church (or generally speaking groups concentrating on a sole thing, I may be babbling but it has always been fascinating to me, blame Neptune in 11th), some things need to be experienced alone. Especially intense psychological stuff. ------------------
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MsPrism
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posted May 02, 2014 12:48 AM
I just watched the trailer and I'm terrified of watching it. Hm. . . should say something about me. HaWhat did you think, Dancing? IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 02, 2014 01:47 AM
I heard there was a lot of subtle humor to it. Can you give an example of that while it's still fresh on your mind?IP: Logged |
page one
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posted May 02, 2014 09:18 AM
Subtle? Lars von Trier?It isn't subtle. It's very entertaining though, at least the first part. The second part turns more serious. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 02, 2014 05:02 PM
Sounds like porn to me. Some porn can have weird "morals" in on it and/or throw in some drama (especially at the end) so it can appear to be something other than porn, or at least more wholesome somehow. I've seen the trailers and it looks boring to me...though plenty of trailers are deceptive and I could see them overemphasizing the porn elements to get more viewers when it might actually be a much better movie than it appears to me from the trailers. I've heard vaguely good things about it (subtle humor, entertaining, etc) but until I hear something specific about it I'm just going to assume it's porn that pretends (and failing at it) to be something other than it is. Nothing against it mind you, just not my cup of tea. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 03, 2014 02:07 AM
I haven't seen the trailer but I read about it on wiki and it sounds like something Id like. I'm usually into Danish film. It sounds much more in tune with my version of female sexuality in my own inner world.. I think many Aries influenced women would feel this way & probably like the movie. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 03, 2014 10:23 AM
Well, no, it's not porn. It is explicit and has a lot of sex in it, but I can definitely see the artistic angle in it. European films are harder to digest, IMO, you either like the style or you don't. They're much more raw and controversial, pushing a lot of psychological stigma and boundaries. I think you might like it, Pixie, for that reason alone. There is a bit of subtle humor in it too, for example there was a scene where she was reminiscing how she told her lovers they were the first to give her an orgasm. Odette,
I would be curious to see what you would think of it. For me, it was definitely hard to empathize with the main character, I mean she chooses sex over her own child. It's hard not to judge her, so I decided to just take an objective stance and view it as an artistic piece of the highs and lows of addiction, without placing an ethical value on it. From that point of view, I did like the movie. But like I said, it's unsettling on some levels. ------------------
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Dancing Maenad
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posted May 04, 2014 01:07 AM
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"Sexuality is the strongest force in human beings. To be born with a forbidden sexuality must be agonizing. The pedophile who manages to get through life with the shame of his desire, while never acting on it, deserves a bloody medal."
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Dancing Maenad
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posted May 05, 2014 02:40 PM
The more time passes after I have watched the movie, the more I appreciate it. I guess some things were harder to digest when I first saw them, but once I had time to mull over them, I think this movie is making excellent statements and yes, I think it is definitely ART. I am thinking of watching it again after some time. ------------------
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Sibyl
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From: Uranus
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posted May 05, 2014 07:00 PM
Whatever floats people's boats, but personally I don't like overt displays of sexuality, including in films. It just makes me feel uncomfortable :-) So I could never watch this film.Some people are more private than others. IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted May 05, 2014 07:02 PM
It's actually an issue I have with some strands of feminism and some other movements (pro-gay, hippie, lots of others I'm sure). I agree with allot of the values, but I don't understand why the movements sometimes turn so overtly sexual. Like the Vagina Monologues. I mean... Cringe. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 05, 2014 07:23 PM
Vagina Monologues is more about hating men than celebrating erotic heterosexuality. It's the pro-sex feminists that have a problem with it.And my granny once lived on a hippie commune...damn was she bitter about the guys who thought free love meant whenever he wanted it with no thought to a woman's needs. Plus she had to take care of him so basically had to be his mother as well as his sex toy or something was terribly wrong with her (this wasn't just her but all the women on the commune, and men got to vote on commune affairs but women didn't!). It got worse than that actually. And I also read in a book of feminist essays in the 70s that told of similar stories (and worse) about hippies, just one more reason for feminists to start burning bras. If I'd grown up back then I'd have probably burned some bras, too. IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted May 05, 2014 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Whatever floats people's boats, but personally I don't like overt displays of sexuality, including in films. It just makes me feel uncomfortable :-) So I could never watch this film.Some people are more private than others.
Do you think it's explainable to people that aren't so private? I'm terrified of watching that film because I don't like overt displays of sexual behavior in movies and the fact that she is in obvious turmoil with her own actions. I feel like I'm intruding on someone's personal experience, even though it's obviously a film that many will see. The problem is that some people think that I'm a prude when I look the other way while watching a movie with this kind of content or cringe when they start reading me their "sextexts". It's not that I care if just anyone thinks I'm a prude, it's that I care about people close to me understanding me. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 06, 2014 12:02 AM
I used to have issues with overt displays of sexuality as well. I don't, anymore. I mean, it is the most natural thing in the world and nothing to be ashamed of, for having it. So sex scenes, in general, do not bother me almost at all anymore. The ones in this movie are not distasteful IMO and while they're explicit they don't last long. Like MsPrism pointed out, I initially thought it was very distressing for her or she didn't even enjoy sex at all. In the first part, that was my impression. She seemed very uninvolved and that was disturbing. The fact that they added her best friend, B, to the script made me think her nymphomania was a product of peer pressure and not actually something she would do, on her own, ever though she was hypersexual as a child. I think that is one of the movie's shortcomings, or perhaps it was purposely confusing, as to not favor nature over nurture. However, it is later revealed, in the second part, which I think is the brilliant one (Charlotte did a much better job), that she reveled in it. I think she grew a little on me, when she owned it and admitted she loved her "filthy lust". I think the most distressful thing for her was not being able to be fulfilled by just one person, the blame and judgment of society didn't seem to bother her all that much and she didn't get in dangerous situations as I would have initially expected, because of her addiction. Losing her child was the most intense part of the movie, but I loathed Jerome so I'm blaming him for it just as much. ------------------
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Sibyl
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From: Uranus
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posted May 07, 2014 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Do you think it's explainable to people that aren't so private?I'm terrified of watching that film because I don't like overt displays of sexual behavior in movies and the fact that she is in obvious turmoil with her own actions. I feel like I'm intruding on someone's personal experience, even though it's obviously a film that many will see. The problem is that some people think that I'm a prude when I look the other way while watching a movie with this kind of content or cringe when they start reading me their "sextexts". It's not that I care if just anyone thinks I'm a prude, it's that I care about people close to me understanding me.
I'm the same way! I mean I totally understand people who want to see the film and can take something away from it, but to me I think it would be uncomfortable. Perhaps less so if I watched it alone though. Because I think sex is so personal, I don't want to watch a movie like that with someone I'm not having sex with.  I'm by no means an asexual person, I just see it as very private. Perhaps that's why I think attempts to make it impersonal are so unsettling. I understand that it is different for everyone, but the fact remains that I simply cannot relate. IP: Logged |
Sibyl
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posted May 07, 2014 02:08 PM
I like your synopsis, DM. It sounds really interesting! Perhaps I would have watched it if it wasn't so graphic. Or perhaps, like you, I'll see it differently some day.  I don't think sex is shameful by the way. Not at all. Just private. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 07, 2014 02:17 PM
Oh, no, not at all what I wanted to imply! Sex was a shameful deed, for me. I was only talking about my own subjective thoughts and emotions on the matter lol. I did say I'm a narcissist, lol. I guess I reveled in that the same way Joe reveled in her nymphomania. For me, to watch this film without once looking away or feeling disturbed by the sex scenes, is a huge progress. I have my demons. I think sex is a private thing too. But I enjoy observing and analyzing human emotion. I wanted to be a shrink eh. ------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 07, 2014 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
But I enjoy observing and analyzing human emotion. I wanted to be a shrink eh.
Not anymore? I think you would be great for it  My friends tell me sometimes I should be therapist. But I really don't want to listen to people's issues all day I get quite enough from friends and family to keep me entertained  IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 08, 2014 12:10 PM
No, that ship has sailed some time ago. I chose a different specialty. I could take on a second one, I guess, except in the meantime I realized I was drawn to psy because of my own unresolved issues. Including sexual ones, though at the time I was unaware I had them. I would've projected on my patients, in an attempt to heal myself, instead of actually helping them. So, all in all, I think it worked out for the best. ------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 08, 2014 12:15 PM
That's an incredibly mature realization of you! I find that allot of people who study psychology have issues themselves.IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted May 08, 2014 12:48 PM
Thank you! It means a lot coming from you.
Yes, I also think people are drawn to this field because of their own issues that they're trying to solve indirectly. I am glad that therapists are forced/advised to go to therapy themselves first in an attempt to diagnose and solve their own issues, before they can try their hand on others. It's not the case everywhere, though, and some will avoid that altogether, however I think you can't efficiently help someone else until you have helped and healed yourself. ------------------
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Sibyl
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posted May 08, 2014 01:28 PM
I think allot of people approach the studies not fully understanding their own issues. Psychology interests them because they are dealing with their own things, but perhaps they are not even fully realizing what the issues are, or the extent to which they are influencing them. I have allot of respect for your choice, most of all because it must have required quite a high degree of insight into yourself. It speaks of a willingness to examine and reflect on yourself. It's gold really, because although it may be painful it gives you all the tools you need to grow. IP: Logged |
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