posted May 07, 2014 07:55 AM            

@Sibyl

You wrote: "I do not believe you are a malicious person. However I do find the paragraph below offensive."

Point taken. However, while the conversation was transpiring, I was truly at a loss to understand why aquaguy was getting so annoyed with me. He might as well have been underwater yelling bubbles. I was laughing in shock and confusion...if I hadn't been shocked and confused, I might've had something better to say. But my mind has its limits.

After the thread was locked, I went over it again, and that's when I figured out the problem. 'Couldn't erase my laughter at that point.

@aquaguy

"You didnt really clarify what you meant. You just said you didnt believe me, so I took it as you not believing the whole thing."

I had replied to Pixie's comment that she never heard of women begging for pictures, saying, neither have I. If you had read that little exchange between me and PJ, you would have understood.

@7th

Thank you

I've been ending up in the spotlight more often because Ami locks so many of my threads and says things like "You are the worst person ever"~ it creates the impression that I'm worse than I am. But I know that anyone who's been around this forum for a while knows better than to take all that drama seriously. Y'all don't have to say anything.

You are right, misogyny is potentially dangerous and can lead to "hate crimes." Aquaguy should take his problem seriously and seek a better path, one that builds up tolerance.

@Pixie:

Excellent! Thank you for putting all that together. It did lighten my mood.

And it goes without saying, I appreciate your remarks about the double standard. Most of us are aware that Ami's favoritism is strictly (maybe "enthusiastically" is a better word) enforced, but for the people just arriving, occasional reminders are helpful.

@MsPrism:

"Why can't we support each other in our struggle to help AG stop being so negative?"

You're smart, so as you know, there is no logical answer, it's just the emotional bond between Ami and AG creating a stonewall for the rest of us. Racism and religious slurs are disallowed at LL, but there is no limit to how sexist one can be. It is disturbing.

"I personally know someone a lot like AG and everyone blames his overly protective mother on his behavior"

Strange how sometimes, all it takes is one enabler, and problems can snowball out of control. The relationship may become a kind of folie à deux.

@FireMoon:

The rape thread was a low point for me as well. How awful to confront insensitivity there.

AG's pet phrase "crapping out babies" is most irritating to me, since giving birth was by far the most painful thing I ever endured. When someone is mocking another person's suffering, you know the screws are very loose in their head.

@Odette:

posted May 07, 2014 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Racism and religious slurs are disallowed at LL, but there is no limit to how sexist one can be. It is disturbing.

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Timely.

I've been contemplating this exact issue for the past several months in relation to the news, message boards and society in general. I think the recent Clippers controversy also put it on my mind mores than usual. If Sterling had been talking about women negatively no one would have batted an eye.

posted May 07, 2014 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
I'm consistently surprised how many women don't even realize or don't care what a problem misogyny and sexism are in every day life.

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It's kind of odd...it shows that we don't like fighting, yet most of the misogyny seems based on the idea that women are too hostile and belligerent in general.

If we were, we'd fight sexism much harder than we do.

AG was alluding to Title IX and the Clery Act on another thread. These are federal mandates about sexual abuse reporting at schools, which might be more carefully enforced under new directives from the DOJ. Reading up on the situation, it becomes painfully obvious that women's complaints about sexual harrassment at school have been systematically ignored. One troubling reason for that is, it reflects poorly upon the school, to have a high crime rate on campus. It's easier for the school to just ignore the problem (reminiscent of Jerry Sandusky.)

There were campus protests when I was in college because one of the class presidents had been accused by several women of rape and assault, yet he was merely stripped of his rank and assigned community service. In an off-campus trial, with that many witnesses, he would have been in jail.

Now I see that the problem wasn't particular to my school and my era (late 90's.)

posted May 07, 2014 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@FireMoon:

The rape thread was a low point for me as well. How awful to confront insensitivity there.

AG's pet phrase "crapping out babies" is most irritating to me, since giving birth was by far the most painful thing I ever endured. When someone is mocking another person's suffering, you know the screws are very loose in their head.

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Yeah that thread was an eye-opener for me.. On some level I expected the insensitivity, but it became obvious there's a lot more behind the mask of "humor" he hides behind while mocking women with things like pet phrases as you were saying..

Not that some of the things he says aren't comical with how contradictory and ridiculous they are. The majority of his complaints seem to be about how women are rude and unresponsive to him, he's claimed he lives in "romantic and sexual poverty". Yet when women do come on to him (i.e. giving him a lap dance-and his recent example with the sexual photos) in his mind it is comparable to rape or is a "personal turn off". And we're supposed to take anything he says seriously?

Thing is I understand ppl are sometimes theatrical on the internet, and beyond that no one is perfect and everyone goes through hard times (am going through some myself)... but it seems he has become complacent in his misery and continues to create no-win situations for himself that seem to be escalating... And at this point honestly I'm done extending any sympathy. As 7th was saying it's a downward spiral, and I do care since I've been posting in LL for a long time now, but I can't concern myself with it at this point...

posted May 07, 2014 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ami locked the other thread before I was able to post my replies. I will put these all in one post since this thread might get locked immediately.

@Sibyl

You wrote: "I do not believe you are a malicious person. However I do find the paragraph below offensive."

Point taken. However, while the conversation was transpiring, I was truly at a loss to understand why aquaguy was getting so annoyed with me. He might as well have been underwater yelling bubbles. I was laughing in shock and confusion...if I hadn't been shocked and confused, I might've had something better to say. But my mind has its limits.

After the thread was locked, I went over it again, and that's when I figured out the problem. 'Couldn't erase my laughter at that point.

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I understand this Faith It is why I said I do not believe you are a malicious person. I just think the choice of words were unfortunate, and I wanted to let you know because I didn't think you were aware of how it could come across.

As for AG, I think I have addressed our differences in other threads

posted May 07, 2014 10:13 AM            

An emphatic to everything you said.

Capricorns are so reasonable.

@Sibyl:

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posted May 07, 2014 11:17 AM            

A community like this will allow one to do the above things. There are all sorts of people here. Some will rub you wrong. Some will feel warm to you. However, by our interactions here, we can face parts of ourselves we may not show in our real lives. These can be positive parts or negative ones.

The point is that one can have the OPPORTUNITY to change oneself by observing how one acts in a community. Then, one can modify one's real life due to facing one's true self from interactions on here.

LL provides a lot because Randall allows people to work things out. A thread is closed when it is essentially mud slinging and little else.

Then, it has lost the value for anyone, pretty much.

Those are my thoughts and experiences, anyway.

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posted May 07, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:

eta, on a very random side note... I know aquaguy and sand were sort of arch-nemeses or at least didn't like each other, and honestly I find it amazing that sand ended up getting banned because he "wouldn't follow the rules" when it came to things like swearing.. Even though aguaguy has said far more offensive things really. But as long as he has sympathy from people, and that Cap mercury to win over the superiors he's fine I guess lol

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posted May 07, 2014 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
^ Oh God........ Are you serious? How much more clueless can you get? I just have politically incorrect and unpopular opinions, thats not a crime. Sand caused problems and personally attacked people and was warned on more then a few occasions to clean it up, and he didnt.

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Mmhhhhmmm

posted May 07, 2014 01:10 PM            

AQ has flat out said he wants to rile people up. He considers it his duty to expose political correctness. In otherwordw, he is attention seeking and getting what he is looking for.

posted May 07, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:

Timely.

I've been contemplating this exact issue for the past several months in relation to the news, message boards and society in general. I think the recent Clippers controversy also put it on my mind mores than usual. If Sterling had been talking about women negatively no one would have batted an eye.

I'm consistently surprised how many women don't even realize or don't care what a problem misogyny and sexism are in every day life.

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posted May 07, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:

Timely.

I've been contemplating this exact issue for the past several months in relation to the news, message boards and society in general. I think the recent Clippers controversy also put it on my mind mores than usual. If Sterling had been talking about women negatively no one would have batted an eye.

I'm consistently surprised how many women don't even realize or don't care what a problem misogyny and sexism are in every day life.

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posted May 07, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Of course he would have been in trouble.i'm not sure where you get the idea that he wouldn't be in trouble,but ok. If we are really going to say sexism is a serious problem, we have to call out Misandry. You are being hypocritical and biased if you can't acknowledge that misandry is a serious problem.

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posted May 07, 2014 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Sibyl:
I don't even know what misandry means, so I'm inclined to say it's not a big problem.

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posted May 07, 2014 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
That doesn't surprise me at all. Misandry is a hatred of men. Our society doesnt want to talk about that though.

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posted May 07, 2014 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
One is rather innocuous, while the other is mutilation.

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Innocuous, exactly!

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