posted June 24, 2014 05:16 PM              

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:

Again, as PJ pointed out ,he identifies himself as a male on his driver's license. Yes, he says he is a gender non-conformist, but his issue isn't with the fact that is says "Male" on his driver's license- it's that he isn't allowed to wear make-up as he normally does. This issue is about make-up- the picture is just of his face so the way he was dressed for the picture wouldn't matter.

Look at the before and after pics.. Do you really see such a huge difference between pic 1 and pic 2?

And you're worried that criminals would do the same? As if Charles Manson would have escaped from the police if only he'd had a bit of lipstick on in his driver's license pic!!!

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posted June 24, 2014 05:20 PM              

It's still an unusual thing for men to wear make-up. It's not common. Not yet. Some may so it's becoming more common and needs accepted. Well, I seldom see a man wearing make-up that I'm aware of. There's one at Wal-Mart that works there I think. Just.. not very many. Certainly less than 1% from what I see personally. I'm sure there are areas of higher ratios of men who wear makeup. I've traveled quite a bit of the country and I just don't see it. It's uncommon.

The point is... if he has makeup OFF in the picture. If he is arrested, suspect, whatever. If his identity is in question. Regardless if he wears makeup everyday. If there is ANY question, they can always request him to take it off to better identify him. If he has makeup ON in the picture, but not on when he's trying to be identified. They can't go, "Oh, could you put makeup on sir so that we can make sure it's you?" It's easier just no makeup. You see?

This individual may not look very much different with or without, but some people may look very different. What you allow for one, you have to allow for all. It's much easier without adding in that potential complication.

In fact, if I were in charge and I saw some woman with very heavy make-up, I'd have HER remove it too.
The point is to look very natural. It's easier to just remove that, than to play guessing games with an ID picture. Or give someone another edge in creating a fake ID.

It just saves a lot of hassle with law enforcement across the country. It's not about this boy, or his "rights". It's about making the system as simple as they can. Even just a case by case basis is inviting trouble.

Just for pete's sake.... take it off for an hour or two that you need to get your license. Big deal.
People complain about their pictures as if it's going on some dating website. It's your state issued id. I look like some kind of crazed serial killer in mine. I truly do. (damn pluto)
lol

posted June 24, 2014 07:53 PM            

It's an exert on power and authority, and the abuse of such. Because of that kind of drama, that's the only reason I think it should stay home, as indicated from the first page.

However, I don't believe make up should be limited to any one gender. From what I saw on google, he applied his make up tastefully and with care. It wasn't an outrageous transformation or anything of the sort.

posted June 24, 2014 09:14 PM            

Contrast with his mugshot:

I'm pretty sure most of us agree that his adding lipstick wouldn't have made anymore of a difference. And people had more rights back then than they do today (it's arguable whether police brutality is better or worse).

posted June 24, 2014 09:30 PM              

It's not about rights at all. I, nor the government or dmv gives two mouse craps if this kid wears makeup. Just not in the id picture.
It's not that difficult.

posted June 24, 2014 09:30 PM              

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
cuz blacks in the 60s were totally happy with rich houses and families and political and social rights.

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LOL.

posted June 24, 2014 09:33 PM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
LOL.

Weren't you just screaming(not literally, you wrote as if you were lol) at Doux for being "ignorant" supposedly Pixie Jane? wow

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Pixie Jane said, "And people had more rights back then than they do today (it's arguable whether police brutality is better or worse)."
Then I replied tongue in cheek, "cuz blacks in the 60s were totally happy with rich houses and families and political and social rights."

posted June 24, 2014 09:43 PM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Can't you read. The second paragraph wasn't intended for you LOL. I understood what you were saying.

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posted June 24, 2014 09:49 PM            

I mean, society doesn't think it's "normal" for a woman to be bald. Would they make her put on a wig in case her hair grew out so they'd know what she'd look like in 6 months?

If a woman was wearing too much unnatural makeup they wouldn't make her take it off so the 'natural as possible' idea doesn't really fly either.

I have male friends with multi-colored hair that are glued up into spikes that can't be removed without shaving their heads. That's not 'normal'. Is the DMV going to tell them what hairstyle they should have?

Ugh... conformists bug me. Yes, there should be basic laws to protect the public from a-holes but when the government tries to dig their noses firmly into every.single.aspect of daily life it's just too much. It baffles me why some people are willing to put up with it.

posted June 24, 2014 09:49 PM              

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
D'oh. The lack of punctuation is what threw me off lol

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posted June 24, 2014 09:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
Why don't we ask women to remove their make-up in a DL photo? I understand the state having regulations, and that's one of the reasons why the courts are there--to facilitate changes in the laws. If I were a practicing attorney and licensed in that state, I would take the case. I think I could win it. It might even go to the state Supreme Court.

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I would ask them to remove it. Seriously.
I'd just have it be a well known requirement.
On the website, etc etc.

posted June 24, 2014 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
LOL.

Weren't you just screaming(not literally, you wrote as if you were lol) at Doux for being "ignorant" supposedly Pixie Jane? wow

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That has nothing to do with this topic. Target the debate or whatever, don't target me personally.

posted June 24, 2014 09:52 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
Why don't we ask women to remove their make-up in a DL photo? I understand the state having regulations, and that's one of the reasons why the courts are there--to facilitate changes in the laws. If I were a practicing attorney and licensed in that state, I would take the case. I think I could win it. It might even go to the state Supreme Court.

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posted June 24, 2014 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I would ask them to remove it. Seriously.
I'd just have it be a well known requirement.
On the website, etc etc.

No makeup. Along with the other stuff. I don't think it's right that they allow anyone to.

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posted June 24, 2014 09:58 PM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You are going to have most women irritated then.

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posted June 24, 2014 10:00 PM            

He looks like this literally all the time... for years.

posted June 24, 2014 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You are going to have most women irritated then.

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That does remind me of this:

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For more than a decade now, the Beaumont Independent School District’s Taylor Career and Technology Center in Texas — which has the worst website you’ve seen in a long time — has offered an Adult Cosmetology class. It caters to a lot of single moms, according to instructor Cequada Clark, and she was excited for the new school year.

But she recently found out the class was canceled by Principal Thomas Amons. Was it because of budget cuts? A bad evaluation? Nope.

It’s because Amons thought one of the students enrolled in the class this semester looked gay. And since it’s illegal to bar someone from a public school because of his sexual orientation, Amons — who is, not surprisingly, a deacon at a Baptist church — decided to just cancel the class altogether

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Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blo gs/friendlyatheist/2012/09/14/principal-shuts-down-cosmetology-class-because-one-of-the-students-looked-gay/#ixzz35c1BfHeG