posted December 30, 2014 09:15 PM            

It is the first I ever read about her.

I am learning a lot but she is not as interesting as Henry and the wives

Her life was kind of boring. I am not at the end--about 3/4 of the way through.

She did have great wisdom and I respect that but as far as reading, it is kind of dry.

My next book is on Katherine Howard. Henry's 5th wife.

I have a new one on Mary Queen of Scots, whom I just learned was beheaded by Elizabeth.

Anyway, I know Barbie loves Tudor history, too.

What do you all like?

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posted December 31, 2014 12:03 AM            

Offhand, I'm not so sure...I'll go with Sam Houston. Not the Sam Houston as school taught of him but the irreverent idealist that I found out he was on my own. It's also interesting how he goes from being an epic hero celebrated even today yet many of his ideas were rejected by Texians (yes, that's spelled right) and because of his opposition to slavery (even if Mexico outlawing slavery was a major contributing factor to why the Texas settlers declared independence, I believe Sam Houston supported independence for different reasons and thought he could change the more obnoxious elements from within--but he was wrong) and against joining the war against the North he endured infamy and even death threats...oddly enough I read similar things about his one time archfoe Santa Anna who also fell from on high and wondered how much they might reminisce in their last years together.

Also in the Texas history theme was Bonnie & Clyde, but learning that my family was one of those who helped hide them (and that the villainous duo may be why my family still has a farm today) along with a festival that celebrated them is what got me really interested...more for how the events of the nation then shaped them and my ancestors and how they interacted with each other. (Two brothers among my ancestors were also bank robbers, but that was before Bonnie & Clyde.) Heck, as I told an aunt recently, the reason my maternal side of the family is Baptist today was because the Lutherans kicked our ancestors out of the church for being too criminal (this was before even my grandmother was born).

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posted December 31, 2014 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Vlad the Impaler

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Who is that?

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posted December 31, 2014 08:56 AM            

Frances Farmer, the beautiful actress, was put in an asylum by her own mother and given ECT. Another intelligent, talented and sensitive woman unjustly victimised.

I found Princess Diana quite interesting too and although I was never a huge fan of hers, she did get poorly treated by Charles and the Royal Family in general.

posted December 31, 2014 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Who is that?

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Vlad Tepes/Dracula/Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia

posted December 31, 2014 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
I'm often interested in more obscure queens and princesses, usually the ones who've been misunderstood and given a terribly raw deal, eg beheaded, imprisoned for the rest of their lives, incarcerated in some way. Examples off the top of my head are Ann Boleyn (who was accused of infidelity/treason with no proof whatsoever and was beheaded by her husband Henry VIII). I also recently learned about Joanna (Juana) the Mad (or Joanna of Castile). At first I was curious because that's my name too and it seemed pretty uncommon back in the 15th century. Joanna was imprisoned for the rest of her life as she was deemed mentally ill. In fact she was highly intelligent woman but because she supported the views of Martin Luther, this may have led people to accuse her of being mad.

Frances Farmer, the beautiful actress, was put in an asylum by her own mother and given ECT. Another intelligent, talented and sensitive woman unjustly victimised.

I found Princess Diana quite interesting too and although I was never a huge fan of hers, she did get poorly treated by Charles and the Royal Family in general.

I think the fundamental thing these women have in common is that they are flawed in some way which posed a threat to the establishment at the time.

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That is super interesting Jo. I am gonna study some of them. I have read a lot on Anne. She is truly fascinating, as were all the people surrounding her, friends and foes. Have you read about her sister, Mary?

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posted December 31, 2014 12:22 PM            

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posted December 31, 2014 01:24 PM            

I couldn't think of any but pixies bonnie and Clyde is an interesting one and what a claim!

posted December 31, 2014 02:09 PM            

I think Margaretha Geertruida Zelle aka
Mata Hari would have led quite an interesting life.She was an exotic dancer who was convicted of being a spy and executed.From the little bits and pieces I read about her she may not have actually been guilty.She may just have been a wild and frivolous woman who happened to get caught in a bad situation.
I felt amazed at the way she dealt with her execution.I read things like she didn't even wear her blindfold and deliberately stared the members of the firing squad right in the eyes and blew them kisses.

I think other figures like Cleopatra,Elizabeth Bathory or Caligula would grab my attention as I have to admit a part me enjoys a juicy story with a bit of scandal and drama.

People like Marie Laveau or Aleister Crowley would also be interesting to read about as I find the occult and witchcraft has a certain pull.

Part of the problem I have is staying focused on one thing for to long even if it really does interest me.I get bored easily or end up trying to read about many different things at once.I wish I could absorb all the info I needed all at once.

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posted December 31, 2014 05:37 PM            

What about you ?
I hope you have had a nice Christmas and are going to have a good New Years Eve

posted January 01, 2015 08:33 AM            

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Right now I'm reading a book called 1822, is about the Brazilian Imperial time... I got fascinated by this part of history..

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Interesting, Dani!

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posted January 01, 2015 08:40 AM            

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posted January 01, 2015 09:13 AM            

But I feel perhaps there is much of that story left untold...

Her relationship with John Dee though, the original 007! Now there is surely an interesting tale to be had between the dealings of those two

The Queen and her Occult Sorcerer

posted January 01, 2015 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
I think Liz's life is somewhat of a Shakespearean tragedy, in the end she never got to be the man she truly loved due to her royal obligations which she probably hated

But I feel perhaps there is much of that story left untold...

Her relationship with John Dee though, the original 007! Now there is surely an interesting tale to be had between the dealings of those two

The Queen and her Occult Sorcerer

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Who is he? I don't think he is in my book. I am almost at the end. Dudley was the guy she really loved and he felt the same. He was very dashing lol

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posted January 01, 2015 09:38 AM            

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
John Dee (13 July 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was a mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occult philosopher, imperialist[5] and adviser to Queen Elizabeth I. He devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination and Hermetic philosophy.

Dee immersed himself in the worlds of magic, astrology and Hermetic philosophy. He devoted much time and effort in the last thirty years or so of his life to attempting to commune with angels in order to learn the universal language of creation and bring about the pre-apocalyptic unity of mankind

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He knew both Robert and Liz since they were kids as he tutored them both, including Roberts 2nd wife and a bunch of the other Royals [Nods]

I don't know if there was anything relationship/affair wise going on between Liz & John Dee, but it seems they became much closer as she got older and he was one of her most trusted adviser's. Quite likely that she was very much aware of his Angelic encounters too...

Too bad your book skipped all of that stuff

Liz was perhaps far more interesting than History would dare speak of [Grin]

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posted January 01, 2015 10:11 AM            

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Dudley was the guy she really loved and he felt the same.

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Yea, too bad it didn't work out I guess :\ If Roberts first wife hadn't died so suspiciously things could have been different... Oh well

That being said, I don't feel there was any foul play on the part of Robert but then who really knows for sure.

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Question for you since you are a devotee. Do you think she was a virgin?

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I think she was terrified of getting Syphilis and/or becoming pregnant. The danger for her if she fell pregnant with Dudley's illegitimate child would have spelled the end of her reign and life, including Roberts.

And so I would say Yes, she was most likely a Virgin in terms of intercourse lol

However, I find it hard to believe that two people who loved one another for that amount of time and never partook in any form of a physical relationship to be totally absurd.

You cant watch them 24/7, Royals or not... People have there ways of getting together

The great untold Royal scandal hue hue...

Ofc, its mere speculation for my part [Nods]

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posted January 01, 2015 11:10 AM            

Many of the women seemed like ditzes like Katherine Howard, for sure.

Catherine Parr had it together

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posted January 04, 2015 11:08 AM            

Elizabeth was wise and for that she was beloved. There is a good lesson in that

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