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ikja
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posted February 11, 2015 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we really manifest what we want, or do we merely end up with what the universe/God wants us to have?

I'm currently in possession of the book 'Ask and It Will Be Given', but I'm not completely sure if I believe the principle of asking/believing you will get something and it coming to you/manifesting.

Haven't you ever wanted something so bad, and it hasn't come to pass? - how does that support the 'law of attraction'? I'm compelled to say that you only really get what the universe wants you to have, but then... I feel like I'm being negative lol

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Randall
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posted February 11, 2015 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a balancing act. If you want something too much, you repel it.

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ikja
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posted February 11, 2015 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ooooo Randall!

That is a different perspective, never heard that one before.

Well, I've considered it in theory, but I didn't know that it was a belief that could possibly be widely held.

So I guess it's a case of wanting, and leaving it up to the universe to handle?

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posted February 11, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the LoA (and similar philosophies) is a giant crock of shite. I think people choose to believe in such things because it's a human need to feel like you are in control of your own life and everything in it. The way it's supposed to work is if you have the right attitude good things will happen in your life. But that's just not the way life works.
Let me tell you a little story... Back in the later months of 2014 I suddenly became more optimistic and passionate about life. The last few years of my life had been completely unsatisfactory and I was determined to improve every single area of my life. I started listening to motivational speakers and was reading books about self improvement. I also started working out more, took a break from pursuing relationships/dating , and started trying to learn how to play the ukulele. I truly believed and was planning for 2015 to be a breakout year for me.
Now that we are a month and a half into 2015 I can honestly say that my life is even more stressful and challenging than it was in 2014 or 2013. A few things, that were completely out of my control, happened that complicated my life and made it even more stressful and it seems like my life is on hold yet again. All that positivity and motivation I had less than 2 months ago is gone and i'm feeling frustrated and demoralized. Positive thinking didn't do a dang thing for me.

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ikja
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posted February 11, 2015 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG,

Whenever you write something on here, it always seems like your battling something personally and it makes me sad to read. (That's not pity, but it really does make me feel for you).

I have only read a 1/3 of 'Ask and it will be given', but they argue that the reason why positivity does not manifest is because people give up half way. They stop and therefore, the energy that they were emitting is no longer powerful or working for them. I am not saying that that is what is happening to you, but that is an argument that I have read related to the LoA.

I am not too sure if I believe it, but I would encourage you to try your best to cut the things that are stressing you off/out of your life. I know it is easier said than done, but... being stressed really is not good for the body.

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PixieJane
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posted February 11, 2015 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMPORTANT NOTE: to avoid confusion in a previous thread I thought I'd point these out again: I'm assuming (because it strikes me as absurd not to assume the following if the Law of Attraction is to be seen as real rather than a pleasant fantasy to help you through a life filled with unpleasant possibilities): EVERYONE uses the law of attraction AT ALL TIMES (which is typically subconscious but a variety of methods--including spells, prayers, meditation, rituals, even special occasions--can affect or even "upgrade" those subconscious patterns), and all those people using this same NATURAL law affects your ability to do the same (just as magnets using their own natural laws of attraction can help or hinder each other).

An experiment I did when I was 17 was adapted from a Robert Anton Wilson book (either Prometheus Rising or Quantum Psychology) to instead find dimes instead of pennies and I did, for example I found 3 dimes while walking about 10 blocks (unfortunately for me experiments like this turn out really impressive for me at first but can't be repeated...but then creativity & originality seems to be how my own personal magic works). That (and similar experiments while running with Discordians) allows me to believe in synchronicity that can be guided by things like visualization and actions that "echo" in unexpected ways that are tied to some actual working "law of attraction."

Btw, I knew someone who kept imagining herself poor and in debt, and always was, so she tried a spell to get money and it worked...but right after her cat got mauled and had to be sewed together which meant she broke even. She then tried an experiment to combat the image of herself as poor (transforming her self-image) and the next time the spell worked much better (including retroactive pay for several months) AND she got to keep the bonus and has generally done better financially since then.

I could share more that go into more depth (and can get extremely disturbing) but that's a quick peek at the pattern I've seen.

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posted February 11, 2015 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That said, I will point out that contrary to what most new age authors selling you what you want to hear I've noticed that the worst often happened to me when I was positive (probably because my guard was down and I took more risks) than when I was wary (probably because I was on alert and more careful). Having attended PTSD support groups as well as women learning to fight I know many thought God or a positive attitude would protect them from, say, being raped--and were very tragically wrong (but it was a comforting belief while they still had the luxury to hold onto it).

I also want to point out something that it seems virtually everyone who promotes the law of attraction seems to forget: we do not all exist in a vacuum! That is, your attitude and thoughts don't MIND CONTROL everyone around you so that whatever happens to you is your fault (though I think it does nudge us to associate with certain people that "our worldview can understand better" with real world consequences-and I've seen some very disturbing manifestations of this) and likewise, everyone around you is also using/misusing their "law of attraction" that's affecting both your own attractions and even attracting you (possibly for malicious purposes, there are some very successful serial rapists and killers out there after all which would suggest they have the law of attraction working for them, presumably at a subconscious level). What this means is that the thoughts of other people can overwhelm even your own (especially if it's a lot of them or you subconsciously give them authority over you) and can even harm you as well as help you. Choosing your company based on this realization may not necessarily help.

Oh, and fun/frightening question on what you think the God/universe--which you imply is sentient with its own agenda by pondering if it's policing your use of the LOA--wants in a world filled with pain, injustice, violence, and savagery? If the Universe loves you when it hates so many others (or at least very Saturnine and Plutonian on them) then why? And is it necessarily correct or does it make mistakes like the rest of us?

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posted February 11, 2015 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I buy into this one, more because life gives you more of what you already have in hand.

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ikja
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posted February 11, 2015 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, Pixie Jane... Are you saying you believe in the Law of Attraction or you don't? I can't gage your stance - sorry.

Call me simplistic (lol), but you may also have to rephrase the question that you are asking because I am trying my best to formulate a response, but I am unsure because I don't completely understand what you are asking me (if your last question is indeed directed at me).

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posted February 11, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess the simplest way to put it is I believe our thoughts make reality, including in paranormal ways...but that the LOA as described in The Secret and other new age works is made to sell hope/comfort more than truth and at best hits the outer ring of the target (if not missing it completely--at least the arrow went in the right direction, however) rather than getting anywhere near the gold/bullseye of understanding. It's too simple and limited in scope which sabotages any use it has (at least other than any other superstitious charm or ritual that gives some people comfort--for as long as their luck holds out).

That said, it's something I'm still trying to figure out. I don't find quick answers and form a solid worldview from them, rather finding answers for me is like peeling off one layer of an onion to contemplate the next layer and so on. What I've seen/heard on LOA strikes me as something that has only scratched the surface and mistakenly thinking they've got the entire onion figured out. (Before anyone points out that one layer is like another I'm intentionally keeping this as simple a visual as possible--you don't want a more accurate metaphor.)

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Randall
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posted February 12, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I ever figure LOA out, I will definitely share what I find.

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posted February 27, 2015 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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posted March 19, 2015 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally do vision related things, to better attract what I want in my life.

Just recently got back into it. I feel better already.

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posted March 20, 2015 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stawr:
I totally do vision related things, to better attract what I want in my life.

Just recently got back into it. I feel better already.


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iliketurtles
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posted March 20, 2015 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iliketurtles     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dont get how we are able to attract things into our lives, does that include negative things and people too? i dont think murder victims walked outside going "i think i'd like to be murdered today". how do babies end up being abused?

these horrid transits started attacking my chart about the same time "the secret" took off

t. jupiter + neptune opp my sun
t. saturn opp my moon & conjunct my venus
t. pluto square my venus and MC/IC
t. uranus conjunct my moon & opp my venus

'positive thinking' only made me crazier, especially when it didnt appear to work because the universe had different plans didnt it lol i dont believe in deliberately willing "good" things into our lives. the more peace i make with myself the happier i get. that book promotes the idea that material wealth = happiness and i think they are dead wrong and i dont even care how negative that sounds actually

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posted March 21, 2015 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From many years of experience, I know that our thoughts for good or bad affect us. What we fear, we draw to ourselves, it is a very negative emotion. Our subconscious controls our lives. We have to truly have a strong belief in our feelings, Those that say positive wants don't manifest, deep down had doubts. Try instead to give thanks as if your desires already happened, and see what happens.

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ikja
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posted March 21, 2015 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valentine:
From many years of experience, I know that our thoughts for good or bad affect us. What we fear, we draw to ourselves, it is a very negative emotion. Our subconscious controls our lives. We have to truly have a strong belief in our feelings, Those that say positive wants don't manifest, deep down had doubts. Try instead to give thanks as if your desires already happened, and see what happens.


Me, myself... I'll be honest.

I find it scary to dream/hope, just in case things don't work out. Building myself up, to be let down is painful. So it scares me to think 110% positively. I have to be with a mental (just in case) back up plan ;( but I can see how that feeds into attracting negativity.

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