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PixieJane
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posted March 31, 2015 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the past I've typically been baffled by those saying they hunger for an unconditional love (at best, who wants to think they make their loved ones miserable, and when it's worse, why love the monster who abuses you and your children?), or obsessive love...this latter (at least in the last few years) has often been given for why Twilight was so popular and even ignoring the red flags of Edward as a controlling psychopath I saw two self-absorbed people in which Bella accepted a dependent and even child-like role and it struck me as...well I'll just say a couple have did obsess over me like Edward with Bella, both having psychopath red flags similar to Edward, one in real life, one on the internet who tried to get into my real life, and those are not memories I treasure. Furthermore, I'd hate to think I had no real life beyond obsessing over someone else, that my happiness and even meaning of my life was dependent on that other person.

But late last night before going to bed I finally got around to seeing the Nostalgia Critic talking about the strangest yet most wonderful romantic couples. I'm starting with #2 (Homer and Marge Simpson) because this was actually an "unconditional love" I could understand, and perhaps what others who say they want it mean, that is overlooking flaws to see what is less obvious and being in love with that. While I'm not going to say Homer (or even Marge) is quite a catch, I found him convincing on why their love was a wonderful thing.

It then goes to #1, Morticia & Gomez Addams of being absolutely adoring and obsessed with each other. That is something I could see as appealing, both still have lives outside of each other while at the same time constantly adoring (and Morticia is powerful and I can't see her ever being like Bella)...though still not for me, but at least I can understand it (overlooking the silly parts of course and just focusing on the interpersonal dynamics between the pair) and be happy for someone else who had it rather than wondering what the hell.

Anyway, starting with #2: http://youtu.be/oM0CtH3ul-E?t=20m10s

I also liked the one they start off with, Jessica and Roger Rabbit...I found that incredibly insightful on why they love each other while the rest of the world see and treat them a certain way (which is very different from how they see and treat each other). If you want to go back to see it then it's #11 (starting at 2:28).


They have many others but I wasn't familiar with most of them so I pretty much skipped most of them.

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Lei_Kuei
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posted April 08, 2015 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually remember watching that NC video when it first came out, or atleast It feels like it’s been a year since I first saw it. I do agree with what he says about Homer & Marge, and I’ve often thought about whom needs who the most in that relationship… I mean I can see Marge getting by without Homer, her life might be a lot more boring an uneventful and lacking a certain spark that often seems to emanate from her inter-actions with the Chaos that is Homer in all his glory…. but Homer without Marge… Jezzz… I could easily seem him eventually becoming something akin to Barney Gumble, the depressed alcoholic who never leaves Moe’s.

Separately… nether of them are particularly appealing to me, Marge is too dull and Homer is just to fraking crazy lol… But together? Ahhh there is beauty of interplay at work, a union of opposition and acceptance… It’s hard not to love something like that or even want to emulate it in our own lives. And that’s why I feel the Simpsons is so well loved. I guess in a weird way…. Homer & Marge is a representation of something to strive for…? Or atleast they can be a relationship guide post of sorts that when the credits roll they are together, things worked out… all is right in the Universe… until the next time LOL. Sometimes people need such comfort & chaos, and if they didn’t… if they really didn’t give a damn about things like that whether they have actually analyzed there feelings about the Simpsons or not… the fact that its one of the western worlds most loved shows… says a lot about us as a society in General.

As for Morticia & Gomez… LOL, It’s like an inverted Simpsons… that Dark Matter explosion that went into another Universe… and while not as universally well liked by the average person in “this universe”… They certainly have a lot of charm as a couple… and while their eccentricities are vast and random, I feel the same can be said about their love… they have fun, they aren’t afraid to show their feelings and are even willing to cater to each others darker desires… what’s not to love about being with someone like that?

But the place I feel where the Mortica & Gomez couplet and I part company is that I just don’t think I could handle their theatrics 24/7, I need plenty of alone time… And so in that regard the concept of someone just being the only reason for existing, a mindless obsessive all consuming need to be in that person’s worshipping company every second of the day is about the most unattractive quality I can think of…


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BellaFenice
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posted April 08, 2015 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie, ITA!

I don't like the concept of infallibility that unconditional love implies at times. Yes, you should love those you care about deeply, but not blindly. I'm not willing to die for someone who cheats on me, for example. Obviously obsessive love is quite a problem as well, but I think both in some ways impair objectivity that can be harmful in some scenarios as you described above.

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