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Topic: The Best Book On Understanding Narcissism
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2015 08:43 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Malign ant-Self-Love-Narcissism-Sam-Vaknin/dp/8023833847/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1429706735&sr=1-1&keywords=sam+vaknin My last grad school book was a tome of unintelligible mush. I promised myself, I would not read that kind of writing anymore, not write it myself. Having to put up with that book changed my life lol That is why in everything I write, I try to be simple and easy to understand. I think that is respecting the reader. I don't have to show off about how smart I am. I am here to help and bless others, not build up my own ego lol I bought this book for the new book price listed on Amazon and it was worth every single penny, although I see that they have it used for a better price. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Catalina Knowflake Posts: 2939 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 22, 2015 12:56 PM
And if anyone but you tries to talk about this topic they are talking about you and being mean? Happy now that this is the only thread about narcissists? Good grief charlie brown. You will be all alone on this board if you keep it up. How about a song for that?IP: Logged |
Catalina Knowflake Posts: 2939 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 22, 2015 12:58 PM
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2015 01:01 PM
Let's move on, please.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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posted April 22, 2015 01:29 PM
Dumb move to make another thread on this, if you ask me. (Given the recent blow up. Essentially instigating indirectly imo) You didn't ask me of course but IP: Logged |
Eirlys Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Registered: May 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 06:47 AM
She made the Original, kiddos. Ami, I've read more of Sam Vankin than I can
shake a stick at. I was researching toxic people a few years ago, due to a conflict (or major personality clash.. I wasn't sure at the time) at work, when I stumbled upon the description of the Narcissist. Kind of a wtf moment. I put that term in the search engine, and up popped Vankin, who proceeded to tell me more about my soon to be ex-husband than I could have ever figured out on my own.. and I wasn't even looking. I needed that validation- badly. lol Excellent resource, imo. In layman's terms, no less, so a good starting place for someone who is unfamiliar.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:31 AM
She made the Original, kiddos. Simple point lost in the gaslighting ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:33 AM
Some things are hard to explain like House Rulers. I have a 23 or 26 article series on them. I try to simplify them as much as I can. The goal in imparting of ANY information is to make it as accessible to people as possible, not to make it harder lol Vaknin speaks so that after you are done, you can understand what he meant, explain it in simple terms and USE it for your own life in a practical way. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:35 AM
Anyway, it was the first book I read on Narc that touched me in the HEART, not the HEAD.Everything emanates from the heart. Life is lived from the heart. I used to know this when I was young and then all I went through made me forget. I think I just remembered, E ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:48 AM
I guess I answered my original question. Seeing people try to laugh at and mock at a psych condition showed me that people can't help it. That was my original question about the monster. An actual NPD( no empathy) cannot help this. HOWEVER, one has to keep oneself safe the best one can. When one is a child, one can't, so one gets scarred. There is no doubt one will be scarred, through no fault of one's own. If one has some kind of condition, as a result, it is not a joke lol Narc is on a scale. Only Mal Nar has no empathy. The others have varying degrees from a small lack of empathy to a severe. HOWEVER, the chart shows all of it. I, personally, could never be a Mal Narc due to my chart imo I am not saying I do not have issues. I went numb from my background and am coming out of it from the CDs I mentioned. I am very fearful--Cancer Moon and Mars. However, I have a great deal of empathy. I am very warm but this is really the chart and not me, per se God gives everyone his chart. Some are harder than others. We don't know why ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE.
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Catalina Knowflake Posts: 2939 From: shamballa Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 03:50 PM
I'm not sure what that means "She made the Original, kiddos"Who is "she" and what "original" There have been many discussions of NPD and similar disorders/behaviors on Lindaland if we are trying to establish who has the right to discuss it I dont think First Comer is relevant. It seems a lot of people like to limit the discussion to their way which seems, well, narcissistic to me, tho whether to the degree of Disorder is open to question . But the inclination to call names and put people in boxes seems abusive to me and squashes free par ticipation. I have already out that point in the recent threads do I will let you get on with it. I find People - even Disordered ones - too nuanced to lump into categories, as I said
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 04:09 PM
E, I ignore any and all comments Catalina makes to me, even ones that "seem" innocuous. Just to let you know. Thanks ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Eirlys Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Registered: May 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Ami Anne: I guess I answered my original question. Seeing people try to laugh at and mock at a psych condition showed me that people can't help it. That was my original question about the monster. An actual NPD( no empathy) cannot help this. HOWEVER, one has to keep oneself safe the best one can.
-------------------------- I thought he was a monster. A horrible aberration and a cruel joke, imposed on me. He LOOKED human, spoke like a caring person (before we got married, mind you), and seemed to blend fairly well into society. I didn't think in those terms, of course... that I would
need to wonder about those things never occurred to me. It's only in hindsight that I was able to make heads or tails of what happened. I have more on that lol.. but I'm going to edit and post
a little later. Since we're speaking of authors who have a talent for relating
and healing, I'm curious.. are you familiar with Scott Peck, (I'm sure you are), and his (many) books on life and, for lack of a better term, the human condition? ------------------ Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles. -C Chaplin IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 04:25 PM
LOVE "People of the Lie", E. It was a life changing book------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 04:52 PM
EIf you want to put up his chart with him, you can. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Eirlys Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Registered: May 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 05:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: LOVE "People of the Lie", E. It was a life changing book
It was.
I'm grasping for a word to describe, but I'm at a loss. Not only for the reality of it, but for his perception, dedication to the case studies, and desire to shed light on the subject. ------- His birth time is unknown. Astrotheme has it at noon, but I'm running on Astro, and using 6 am- it's more interesting. Merc and Jupiter Rx Saturn in Pisces Gemini stellium, including both luminaries. And grand square (?)-- not too sure on that configuration.. the orb is a bit wide.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 06:15 PM
Put up the synastry. Put in nessus and deja( 157) as well as Narcissus and Echo. Also, prey and plunge.I ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 06:25 PM
I would need more time and asteroids to get a real feel for him but just a few things--low fire and low water. Tends to depression and can be kind of clueless, emotionally.The big thing is Chiron conj merc--carries a lot of pain mentally and/or in how he communicates. May have had some condition here--such as stutter, ADD, something that made communication hard or his mental processes. ALSO, looks like an Unaspected Uranus. These people are amazing--and it could be in a bad way. They are super independent and this is rare like a fine, original Picasso but the one I knew was a sociopath but a very independent thinker. His Uranus had no aspects to outer planets which is more rare. Unaspected Uranus is so rare that I have only seen one. This guy is the 2nd, I think. He thought for himself lol ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 06:26 PM
He may have not known how to balance his emotions and also, may not have known how to have discipline, too.The Chiron/merc is glaring, as is the Unaspected Uranus ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Eirlys Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Registered: May 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 07:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: He may have not known how to balance his emotions and also, may not have known how to have discipline, too.The Chiron/merc is glaring, as is the Unaspected Uranus
It IS. But forgive me, I think I misunderstood. I analyzed (and gave you to analyze) the wrong chart. But in light of who I *did* post-- you're spot on.
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: He thought for himself lol
He really did. "Scott Peck had a station-wagon with plates that read "THLOST"
in his driveway. They speak of his lifelong journey as a self- described mystic... " And he had plenty of struggles within his own life, to be sure.
He was incredibly candid about them... As one comment read, regarding his second wife leaving him, in the latter part of his life-- she speculated that it could have been his notorious "... inability to relate on a personal level with people." ... so the Chiron-Merc makes perfect sense on more than one level, imo.
I'm obviously more interested in Peck (who *was* an 'amazing' person)
than the ex lol I'm so sorry for the/my confusion. But it's funny-- I've never looked at the ex's chart, beyond his Merc (Scorp) and his Moon (Aries). I always figured the Narcissism was independent of his chart. Thank you for this, though-- I was curious.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:23 PM
You can see everything in the chart, E!------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:40 PM
Was that Peck's chart? He does look like a Gemini ASC------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Eirlys Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Registered: May 2013
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posted April 23, 2015 07:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Was that Peck's chart? He does look like a Gemini ASC
Totally. The quintessential, I believe.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 07:59 PM
NN in the 8th--good call for the ASC, E lol------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 62144 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 23, 2015 08:01 PM
Do you want to put up the synastry with your ex, E?------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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