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Topic: Why do some people find jobs easily and others struggle?
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MineAgain
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posted August 06, 2015 11:52 AM
  
I don't understand why certain people find jobs easily even with poor experience and others get rejected based on their CV only?I know plenty of factors play a decisive part in finding a job but I don't understand. Some people have very little experience and find a job/traineeship right away and others don't. I'm hating the job market and myself. What it is in their natal chart that makes them so lucky? IP: Logged |
ikja
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posted August 06, 2015 08:34 PM
Questions:Have you had a professional look over your CV and make amendments?
Do you have a mentor who you can approach and ask for guidance?
Do you think that you're applying for jobs which are well paid, but require more skills than you APPEAR to have?
Have you taken a look at LinkedIn, and at the profiles of people in positions that you would like to reach? (It's useful to look at other journeys) I only ask you those questions because I had a lot of difficulty getting into policy research before I did my second degree; and to be honest, looking back I think I was being unrealistic and didn't know half of what I know now. My story: I completed my first degree (Russell Group uni) [2008-2011] but could only get an internship or a customer service type role. Everyone in the UK has a degree, and I quickly realised that my first degree did not make me very special.
I spent two years in that role [2011-2013], on the front line and found that even then, my CV didn't get me very far because I did not have advanced research skills.
So at this point, my struggle was due to the fact that I lacked the experience in the policy field.
I went back and did my masters [2013-2014] (Globally recognised uni). I've graduated again and now I've finally got my foot in the door [2014-present]. I'm not going to claim to know a lot about the legal sector, but I do think that people have to be more savvy about how they get to where they want to be. My advice would be, get your foot in and then work your way up. So, be like a legal assistant/secretary or something and then use that position to make a way for yourself. You won't be on the best salary, but you will be IN there. These days, going from uni to perfect job or "dream" job is rare. Be clever. Astrological answer: I've got quite a few trines to my MC and Venus is in my 6th house. P.s. I'm not on the average salary, but I've got a decent job title and that makes up for the rubbish pay in comparison to my peers (a little bit). I've never been out of work (very blessed and thankful in that respect), but I've realised that all my past steps have led me to where I am now. IP: Logged |
MineAgain
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posted August 07, 2015 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by ikja:
Questions:Have you had a professional look over your CV and make amendments?
Do you have a mentor who you can approach and ask for guidance?
Do you think that you're applying for jobs which are well paid, but require more skills than you APPEAR to have?
Have you taken a look at LinkedIn, and at the profiles of people in positions that you would like to reach? (It's useful to look at other journeys) I only ask you those questions because I had a lot of difficulty getting into policy research before I did my second degree; and to be honest, looking back I think I was being unrealistic and didn't know half of what I know now. My story: I completed my first degree (Russell Group uni) [2008-2011] but could only get an internship or a customer service type role. Everyone in the UK has a degree, and I quickly realised that my first degree did not make me very special.
I spent two years in that role [2011-2013], on the front line and found that even then, my CV didn't get me very far because I did not have advanced research skills.
So at this point, my struggle was due to the fact that I lacked the experience in the policy field.
I went back and did my masters [2013-2014] (Globally recognised uni). I've graduated again and now I've finally got my foot in the door [2014-present]. I'm not going to claim to know a lot about the legal sector, but I do think that people have to be more savvy about how they get to where they want to be. My advice would be, get your foot in and then work your way up. So, be like a legal assistant/secretary or something and then use that position to make a way for yourself. You won't be on the best salary, but you will be IN there. These days, going from uni to perfect job or "dream" job is rare. Be clever. Astrological answer: I've got quite a few trines to my MC and Venus is in my 6th house. P.s. I'm not on the average salary, but I've got a decent job title and that makes up for the rubbish pay in comparison to my peers (a little bit). I've never been out of work (very blessed and thankful in that respect), but I've realised that all my past steps have led me to where I am now.
Yes, I did all of the above. I always look at LinkedIn before I apply to any position, so that I know if I stand a chance or not based on those profiles. I always apply to jobs which require the skills/experience I have or which require no experience. I wouldn't be applying to jobs I'm not qualified for. I'm looking for internships, not "jobs" per se. The reason why I'm not applying to "jobs" is because I still have to complete an LL.M and sit the bar exam. It would be unrealistic for me to apply for a full time position. Hence, I'm going down the "internship"/"traineeship" route for now. As far as jobs are concerned, I only get customer service offers which won't add much value to my resume. I already have 6 months+ experience as a corporate law & finance trainee, but I need at least another 6 months. IP: Logged |
ikja
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posted August 07, 2015 08:00 AM
Have you attempted to approach key contacts at specific firms directly? For example, have you tried to reach out on LinkedIn and clearly state what you are looking for? Tell them what your future ambitions are and say that you are looking to build your experience through a trainee/apprentice role.Alternatively, search through LinkedIn. Get the name of the person you want to make contact with and then, call directly? IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted August 07, 2015 11:11 AM
I'll be honest; I have always found it really easy to get jobs because I interview well. My resume was initially designed 9 years ago by a representative for Kelly Services back before you had to do a million tests just to qualify for a shot at an office job. I've since updated the look but kept the essential format.Then again, I feel like it's not hard to get jobs that pay $30-$35k a year... or at least, it shouldn't be. Finding jobs is easy when you're willing to work close to the poverty line  . IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted August 07, 2015 06:45 PM
Expectations make a difference! Apparently AQ has high expectations..since her idea of poverty is 3 times the actual, official poverty line in the 48 states anyway..I have never had any trouble either, in any economy, even when i was an illegal alien for awhile. I have worked for less than minimum wage a few times, but usually for about 4 or more times that...having a "profession" helps .. but most jobs I have had were either through referrals or casual info. The only jobs i ever hated were the ones i got thru agencies IP: Logged |
florence
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posted August 07, 2015 08:16 PM
I interview well and wrote cvs well but I never pushed hard into my initial career choice the way others did. My friend learned CAD in a book the day before an interview and blagged herself into a role whereas I never wanted to feel that fear of not knowing what I was doing. In fact, everyone I can think of I know who has had career success or an easy ride into it, had the courage to oversell themselves. But, I guess that doesn't explain especially your situation which sounds truly the kind of thing astrology/your chart and thinking/reality can explain as it sounds a block there, maybe some fear or insecurity. The good thing is that sometimes encountering obstacles can prevent a wrong career choice as its hard to get out of a job as it is to get into one sometimes. Here's hoping that rocky sea is carrying you somewhere you are meant to be. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted August 07, 2015 09:35 PM
Great points, florence!IP: Logged |
MineAgain
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posted August 08, 2015 03:57 AM
Thank you all for your replies! I interview well, so once I've reached the interview stage, I'm fine. The problem is getting an interview to begin with! I had a professional review my resume and even after the amendments, I still didn't get a call for an interview. I tried via networking, but I always get told that they don't have any positions available and can't take on any interns at the moment. Depending on which country I apply in, it is more or less hard to reach a contact. I also tried applying via my former university's career center, the result was the same. At first, I thought that these hurdles were meant to show me that I was following the wrong career path, but I am not so sure anymore. I mean, I initially wanted to gain human rights related experience which turned out to be extremely hard and competitive, so I dropped it. Then, I chose to pursue my fashion aspirations and it was a disaster after 6 months. I ended up gaining experience in corporate law & finance pretty randomly and I thought maybe this was my "career track" but since I can't get an internship at the moment, I'm starting doubt this last choice. It wasn't even a choice really, I was applying to every single internship/job I was potentially qualified for. I don't know which way to go anymore. Florence : I do have major insecurities regarding my abilities. After a 4 year degree, I feel as though I was a "selection" mistake. That I'm not made to pursue an intellectual career track. I feel as though I don't have the capabilities to handle working in the legal field (which is odd because I completed the hardest classes with the highest grades). I just don't feel good enough and think I'm better fit for mundane tasks. IP: Logged |
ikja
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posted August 08, 2015 06:04 AM
Maybe the lesson is that you need to find out what really makes you tick.
What do you WANT to do? Where do you want to be? What is your chart like? - MC/10th house/6th house wise? IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted August 08, 2015 07:01 AM
I honestly think its how many applications you put out. Some people apply to so many different places. And companies get so many applicants. I really think its mostly luck.. Ive had bosses with less experience than me.IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted August 08, 2015 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
I do have major insecurities regarding my abilities. After a 4 year degree, I feel as though I was a "selection" mistake. That I'm not made to pursue an intellectual career track. I feel as though I don't have the capabilities to handle working in the legal field (which is odd because I completed the hardest classes with the highest grades). I just don't feel good enough and think I'm better fit for mundane tasks.
Forget what you think about intellectual careers. Because the only reason those people got where theyre at now is by a lot of grueling studying. They arent gifted, they arent smarter than you, they arent more capable, they arent innately gifted. They simply got there through hard work. It's not bout what you think you can handle, its more about what you think is the right fit for you... Anyone can be great in the thing they really want to do if they work at it. IP: Logged |
MineAgain
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posted August 08, 2015 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Forget what you think about intellectual careers. Because the only reason those people got where theyre at now is by a lot of grueling studying. They arent gifted, they arent smarter than you, they arent more capable, they arent innately gifted. They simply got there through hard work.It's not bout what you think you can handle, its more about what you think is the right fit for you... Anyone can be great in the thing they really want to do if they work at it.
Thank you very much for your help bansheequeen & ikja! You're right. People got where they are because of their hard work and perseverance. Nothing comes easy. I really envy those people who know what they want. While I was in college in France, I was often told I wasn't a fit for legal professions so this really shattered my confidence. I had to endure this constant criticism for two years. Studying law over there was very trying. It was a terrible time which severely affected my confidence in my abilities and therefore pushed me to temporarily pursue a fashion ambition which ended up being the worst choice. I absolutely love fashion, but the terrible experience I had in the industry extinguished my passion and drive for such career path. Despite the fact that I didn't "love" corporate law and corporate finance classes, I found those very interesting. I contemplated pursuing a specialization in this branch, but I am not quite sure. My last internship confirmed my interested in this field, but again, my insecurities kick in and I become "paralyzed". Before my tSaturn in Scorpio transit, I was admitted in a Masters degree specializing in investments and trade, but this track got compromised because of several external factors beyond my control. I know that I am a better researcher than communicator, so career tracks which require extensive interpersonal skills are not for me, but again, I'm still a work in progress. My chart : [IMG]http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag459/AssiaB23/909b1e14-81f 8-4145-a667-6a68d8c0217d_zps3jhbjpqi.gif[/IMG] IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted August 08, 2015 11:20 AM
Here's my take.....
I think there's fierce competition for any job that has decent pay and benefits unless we are talking about a field where jobs are abundant. You can be qualified for a job but so are the other 300 people that are competing for the same position. If you are getting into the interview process you are doing something right. I think it really comes down to who you know when it comes to getting those good jobs. So try to establish connections with people at places you want to work and see if they cant go to bat for you. If there's one thing I would advise you to do I would advise you not to beat yourself up over this. It can be hard to find a good job. Just be patient, keep trying, and you will land on your feet somewhere. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted August 08, 2015 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Expectations make a difference! Apparently AQ has high expectations..since her idea of poverty is 3 times the actual, official poverty line in the 48 states anyway..
Yea,
I was puzzled when I read that considering I make a little less than that working insane overtime and i'm doing ok now. Plus AQ lives in Canada where healthcare is free. People in my income bracket in the U.S get eaten alive by medical costs.
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MineAgain
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posted August 08, 2015 11:38 AM
In some European countries, graduate jobs salaries can go as low as 16K, so the number stated above is unrealistic.Most graduate salaries range between 20-27K. Those which range between 16-18K usually add "commission" (but commission can only go so far).
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ikja
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posted August 08, 2015 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
In some European countries, graduate jobs salaries can go as low as 16K, so the number stated above is unrealistic.Most graduate salaries range between 20-27K. Those which range between 16-18K usually add "commission" (but commission can only go so far).
Then again MA, $30k is approximately £16k (probably a bit more) - 19k actually. So it's not that unrealistic when compared with the UK; but I don't know what is a low/average/high US salary! :-/ Back to the UK... Most of the graduate salaries I've seen in the UK have been between £18-21k (especially in the not-for-profit sector). I've also seen a few roles for £16k too. Even though that is some ******** , for real. If you're fortunate enough to get a place on a grad scheme, you're looking at between £23-£27k as MineAgain suggested. I think the average salary in the UK is between £26-30k. I'll get the actual figures one day! IP: Logged |
MineAgain
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posted August 08, 2015 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by ikja:
Then again MA, $30k is approximately £16k (probably a bit more) - 19k actually. So it's not that unrealistic when compared with the UK; but I don't know what is a low/average/high US salary! :-/Back to the UK... Most of the graduate salaries I've seen in the UK have been between £18-21k (especially in the not-for-profit sector). I've also seen a few roles for £16k too. Even though that is some ******** , for real. If you're fortunate enough to get a place on a grad scheme, you're looking at between £23-£27k as MineAgain suggested. I think the average salary in the UK is between £26-30k. I'll get the actual figures one day!
I agree! I was thinking in Euros, so your perspective makes sense! IP: Logged |
socialgraffiti
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posted August 09, 2015 09:09 PM
The job market has been pretty tough lately- have you considered freelance instead? My main interest is in tech, but it's known that if you cannot find an official position, you simply create your own website or your own app. I guess it is a bit different for the corporate field- but you seem to have experience in that field and seem rather articulate, so I feel like you could work freelance, score individual customers then use that to pad your resume... IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted August 10, 2015 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
Thank you very much for your help bansheequeen & ikja! You're right. People got where they are because of their hard work and perseverance. Nothing comes easy. I really envy those people who know what they want. While I was in college in France, I was often told I wasn't a fit for legal professions so this really shattered my confidence. I had to endure this constant criticism for two years. Studying law over there was very trying. It was a terrible time which severely affected my confidence in my abilities and therefore pushed me to temporarily pursue a fashion ambition which ended up being the worst choice. I absolutely love fashion, but the terrible experience I had in the industry extinguished my passion and drive for such career path. Despite the fact that I didn't "love" corporate law and corporate finance classes, I found those very interesting. I contemplated pursuing a specialization in this branch, but I am not quite sure. My last internship confirmed my interested in this field, but again, my insecurities kick in and I become "paralyzed". Before my tSaturn in Scorpio transit, I was admitted in a Masters degree specializing in investments and trade, but this track got compromised because of several external factors beyond my control. I know that I am a better researcher than communicator, so career tracks which require extensive interpersonal skills are not for me, but again, I'm still a work in progress. My chart : [IMG]http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag459/AssiaB23/909b1e14-81f 8-4145-a667-6a68d8c0217d_zps3jhbjpqi.gif[/IMG]
Dont get discouraged! It sounds like you put a lot of effort into reinventing yourself. Every profession will kind of suck in the beginning, and make you feel like youre in over your head it will only get better once youve been in and youre not the new kid anymore haha. Youll get there. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 12, 2015 11:25 AM
Some people have good fortune in some areas of life. I would say that.------------------
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MineAgain
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posted August 12, 2015 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Some people have good fortune in some areas of life. I would say that.
Then, I don't have good fortune in any area of life. Trust me. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted August 12, 2015 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Some people have good fortune in some areas of life. I would say that.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 12, 2015 12:06 PM
Stick up your chart, Mine. Let's see what we can see. Please, make it large and Astro.com.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 12, 2015 12:35 PM
I am thinking that your Jupiter has issues. is it Retro?------------------
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