posted January 18, 2016 08:21 AM            

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posted January 18, 2016 05:16 PM            

But psychiatry, therapy, pharmaceuticals will hinder her progress, not help it.

She doesn't need "professional" help. She needs the help of an understanding empathetic soul, who will sit with her and listen to her fears and darkness, who will hold while she cries out her pains and fears, who will stay by her side and support her even though she's shown the depths of what she feels is her darkness and ugliness. And it doesn't need to be romantic. That's what would truly help people who are experiencing the things and feelings she is...

And more than that, she eventually needs to learn to be able to do that for herself, but in my opinion, sometimes something has to be shown, before it can be given, even to oneself.

posted January 19, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
I personally think the answers are found within... not with professional help. Not from western medicine anyway. If anything she needs alternative healing therapies.

But psychiatry, therapy, pharmaceuticals will hinder her progress, not help it.

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posted January 19, 2016 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseastar:
With all due respect, as a person with bipolar disorder, this is dangerous advice. In nearly all cases, the best course of action is to continue taking your medication as instructed, or find another medication if yours is not working or has very bad side effects. A lot of bipolar people end up in a vicious cycle where they take their medication, feel better, discontinue their medication (because they feel better), and end up exactly where they started. Bipolar disorder is not like depression; it is a chronic condition that needs maintenance. Those psychiatric medications and therapy you decry as negative have literally saved my life and the lives of many other people.

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posted January 21, 2016 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Yep.
Also, typical antidepressants will generally not work. "Mood stabilizers" are more effective. Such as lithium or lamotrigene.

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posted January 22, 2016 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseastar:
With all due respect, as a person with bipolar disorder, this is dangerous advice. In nearly all cases, the best course of action is to continue taking your medication as instructed, or find another medication if yours is not working or has very bad side effects. A lot of bipolar people end up in a vicious cycle where they take their medication, feel better, discontinue their medication (because they feel better), and end up exactly where they started. Bipolar disorder is not like depression; it is a chronic condition that needs maintenance. Those psychiatric medications and therapy you decry as negative have literally saved my life and the lives of many other people.

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On the other hand those same medications have caused many to worsen and or become suicidal/commit suicide, besides other long range issues they create in the body. They cause a dependency, and are a treatment, not a cure. What works for one is poison to another. The OP herself has stated that the therapy/medications do not help much, and she has come to an internet forum soliciting advice, so whether you regard my advice as dangerous, the OP should be aware of any advice she may take from an internet forum. I could have advised her to kill herself, as I can relate to the sentiments she shared in another post about it not being selfish to kill oneself, but selfish to ask one to stay, among other things. The OP also clearly came looking for alternate advice and answers as she is not feeling the therapies and medications are responsive to her needs, and I'm sure she did not want to hear the same thing she's been hearing her whole life... "Stay on the meds, go talk to a professional." (as in some one else. I think she needs to talk to someone who can relate and is not just doing it for a paycheque). Or maybe she even wants to find her own path and listen to her inner guidance and change her life... as a person who does that and constantly works on self improvement I personally have found myself becoming stronger and healthier in my life whereas the others who tried to pressure me to therapy/meds because that's what they believe/do are all becoming unhealthier, weaker, make poorer life choices and are essentially asleep in their own lives and thats not meant to sound insulting or degrading to anyone it's just a straight up observable fact.

Besides that both of what you and DopGang have advised her is literally off wikipedia...

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I'm essentially against posting in this particular forum but I was moved by the OP's many threads/posts so I did though I may not be back.

posted January 22, 2016 11:31 PM            

Manic depressiveness very high runs in my family and I probably do or have had it though undiagnosed as I have never felt comfortable with western doctors and have found them downright unhelpful to the point of misdiagnosing, guinea-pigging patients (friend lost his eye due to this..), prescribing unnecessary medications (often to make money)- to legitimately not caring about their patients whatsoever... It's actually pretty disgusting and my experiences with the western medical establishment (and many I've known) are quite real, as well as my life long experiences with depression, anxiety, chronic fatigue etc. Many pressured me my whole life to go on medications for my issues but I have always had a gut feeling these things are deeply wrong for me and the answers that have come through seeking alternatives have been amazing. Essentially everyone in my family line is or has been an alcoholic, drug addict, or on anti depressant medications or any combo of these so it's not like I don't have my experience around people with these issues. Although I still have a long way to go on my self-heling road, I have put in an extreme amount of effort in understanding myself, researching natural healing methods, herbal medicine etc, as well as the opposite side to that, pharmaceuticals and psychology. I put so much of my energy into self healing/improvement that I have essentially alienated myself from my age group (not totally but it's difficult) and continue to because I would rather work on myself or research something than drink, party etc. as well I don't buy into any conventions..

Btw, DopGang, I'm happy you've manage to find a solution that works for you and I respect all you've come through. I wish people could respect that others have found solutions outside of conventional therapy/pharmaceuticals and also that I'm not just a quack but very well informed and have done much research, as well as self work/healing.

posted January 23, 2016 05:56 AM            

I'm not bipolar but I have chronic depression major. Since I was 6 years old actually.

Meditation helps, exercise helps to let some anger go away and also to keep the body producing substances that lift the mood. I found out alcohol makes it much worse and I gave up on it because I could get easily addicted.
Having enough sleep and treating insomnia crisis also keep me balanced.

BUT...BIG BUT: If I didn't take Zoloft I would be dead now. I was 20 when I started taking it after my first suicide attempt. By then I have already dealt with several years of cutting myself.
So I don't intend to stop with the medication. It's only the first month of taking meds that can feel like you're getting worse. When the person stabilizes the effects can be very positive.

I recently had a nervous breakdown because I was abroad and couldn't keep the same life discipline and I was very tired and sleep deprived. I was given Valium for the nights and now I just take Zoloft and I'm feeling mostly fine.

Also like DopGang says sometimes the med isn't the right one. It takes patience and a lot of family and psicotherapy to go through the initial phase of treatment.

posted January 23, 2016 09:14 AM            

If you use natural medicine, you have to really educate yourself, which many people are not willing or open minded enough to do.

For now, know that it is NOT your fault!

I looked at your chart and you came into life with these struggles.

You can overcome and you can prevail.

None of it is because there is something wrong with you/you are bad/ not right etc

It was what you have been given, through no fault of your own and only God knows why

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