posted June 28, 2016 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Yes. However, it was alongside sexual abuse.

If that doesn't muddy the waters too much to answer, what would you like to know?

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I'd just like to know a little about patterns between perp and victim. And a little about the effects when it's been going on for some time.

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posted June 28, 2016 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you have a chart of the people, C. Put in nessus and dejanira, if you do. That should show it xx

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posted June 28, 2016 06:46 PM            

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posted June 28, 2016 06:48 PM            

This is said to be a very unfortunate placement but I have not done enough personal research to know.

I go by what I see on charts, over and over again.

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posted June 28, 2016 06:50 PM            

Abuse fragmented her, I would say.

Also, that close Chiron/Sun is extreme pain with the dad.

My heart goes out to her, so much! xxxxx

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posted June 28, 2016 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would say that both mom and dad were not there and she suffered more than most people could ever appreciate or know

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Outer person is a man. He had a VERY hard upbringing and youth. A "war child". His dad was killed. His biological mother died young. His mind/personality IS very fragmented and it takes some skill from people around to keep up. He was always verbally assaulted-sexually-by older women and have had issues with women all his life. Inside is his daughter. She has....issues. The mother of child is psychotic-for real.

What I find interesting, and at times disturbing, is that I came into their lives; with my Taurus Chiron in tow, and got plummeted by things to...heal. Open wounds everywhere.

posted June 29, 2016 07:11 AM            

They should not feel condemned if they had a hard placement.

They should try to FACE it and they can HEAL.

What you can't face, you can't heal.

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posted June 29, 2016 05:03 PM            

Should you be interested in the astrology of myself and the relevant other, I'm happy to post it for you. I do not have his birth time though, so certain aspects of the astrology are limited.

I feel though that if this is present between two people, it will be seen in the basic astrology. I doubt asteroids can radically alter a synastry into an abusive one.

posted June 30, 2016 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Sorry Charlie, I thought you were looking for personal experience.
I will leave Ami to the astrology.

Should you be interested in the astrology of myself and the relevant other, I'm happy to post it for you. I do not have his birth time though, so certain aspects of the astrology are limited.

I feel though that if this is present between two people, it will be seen in the basic astrology. I doubt asteroids can radically alter a synastry into an abusive one.

I have Nessus/Dejanira conjunctions where there is no abuse of any form.

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posted July 01, 2016 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I am looking for personal experience! I just responded to Ami

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posted July 02, 2016 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The outer person prolly had sexual abuse which fragmented her/him. The Saturn there intensifies it. VERY sad

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posted July 03, 2016 11:26 AM            

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posted July 03, 2016 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Deja conj the Moon is one of the worst indicators of sexual abuse/fragmentation, K. I feel so sad when I see it.

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Ok, thanks. 12 degrees is too far for conj, right?

posted July 04, 2016 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
Ok, thanks. 12 degrees is too far for conj, right?

I just checked some of my families charts and I saw that my sister has it conj, 6 degree orb. Nothing happened to her regarding sexual abuse.

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My husband stands firm on the "fact" that he was never sexually abused (to him that only implies intercourse-he's uneducated on the matter) but in the same breath he has said that older women (and I mean in their 40-60s) has "touched" him while taking him in cab rides when he was well below 15. That is sexual abuse to me. It comes in various forms..

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posted July 04, 2016 04:19 PM            

You need 3 degrees, tops. Some astrologers do less than that.

Asteroids are small bodies, so use small orbs

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posted July 05, 2016 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
6 degrees is way too much, too, K

You need 3 degrees, tops. Some astrologers do less than that.

Asteroids are small bodies, so use small orbs

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Oh ok, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

posted July 05, 2016 09:02 AM            

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