posted September 09, 2016 11:51 AM            

You know I am a counselor.

I do counseling with Astrology.

The way I do charts is very deep and very Jung like, if you will.

However, I am a huge reader and have been hatching some new ideas I will share with you.

They are different than "traditional" counseling.

I am not someone who sticks with tradition, if it does not work imo.

I will be back to write more.

I know Voix wanted to discuss this.

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posted September 09, 2016 12:01 PM            

I think the field of Psych is the study of the id by the odd, to a large extent.

I think the field of Psych is accepted as if it really works and it does not.

Now, drugs are added, which is another thing that is not good and does not get to the root of the problems.

I know that causes controversy, so let
s leave the subject of drugs.

It is SUPER hard to have mental health issues and I don't want to cause people to feel badly about medication, so I don't want to turn the thread into that.

The main point is that the Psych field, in large part, is impotent imo

I think it can be made better.

That is what I will talk about, how I think it can be made better.

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posted September 09, 2016 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Do you think that Mental Health is more of a problem now than in the past?
Or do you think it was kept quiet more in the past than now?

Basically, I'm gathering people's thoughts on it's progression or decline over time if you were to look at it on a Per Cap basis. Obviously there are more people in the world now than years ago.

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Much worse now, not just cuz it was hidden. Now, sooo many kids are on psych drugs

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posted September 09, 2016 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Much worse now, not just cuz it was hidden. Now, sooo many kids are on psych drugs

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Wait... didn't you say that you didn't want to involve drugs in the discussion? I'm confused now.

posted September 09, 2016 01:51 PM            

I think that the Psych/mental health system is broken.

People can weigh in and I will be back later.

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posted September 09, 2016 02:07 PM            

I am asking a legitimate question. I do not mean to offend or attack. It is just simple curiosity.

I have a problem with how the current healthcare system is set up. Currently, everyone and their mother is given improper treatment for issues they may or may not actually have. Psychiatrists and psychologists jump to conclusions and treat something that may actually be something else entirely.

On the other end of the issue, however, there are people with legitimate reasons for taking medication and I'm one of those people. I won't go in-depth since you have requested the subject not be on medication, but I still don't understand how this thread can be properly discussed without going in that direction and addressing it at some point.

posted September 09, 2016 02:20 PM            

Perhaps you have been reading about Laughter Therapy?

It's the latest thing in the UK just now, throwing a bit of a shadow over mindfulness.

posted September 09, 2016 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Thanks for the invite to discussion Ami.
I'm not sure how this topic relates to whether it's safe or appropriate to trivialise going to therapy though?
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Voix

I think the point you raised needs a proper acknowledgement, so from bottom of my heart I will address your question.
The answer to the question whether it's safe or appropriate to trivialise going to therapy, is no. Not here anyway. The reason for this is that Lindaland is a place where a lot of people come in search of answers to their pain and sorrow, to find themselves or to answer some life pressing questions. That's what Astrology is for - I note that the 'joke' was posted on Astrology 2.0. People who come here have many colors, some are just curious and thirst for knowledge, others are going through personal tragedies, traumas, illnesses or loss. They may be coming for help/inspiration/courage at a time when their life is crumbling. It is important to keep the vulnerabilities of this very special audience in mind before posting anything.

Why should everyone keep this in mind?

Because arrogance is infectious. You see it posted often, and before you know it, you pick up bad habits. It is said that you become like the people you spend time with. Those on the road to a higher awareness know very well, that ego is an obstacle and has to be kept under tight reign. It is far better to err on the side of caution, than to inflict pain by an insensitive statement.

People here aspire to be aware souls, super conscious, elaborating on higher vibrations et al. But forget about basic modus operandi which is to treat another with love and care, and without judgement. A little humility also goes a long way, so if someone offended or hurt someone, they would do best feeling compassion on some level and acknowledge the wrong. That's constant improvement and growth. Well, that is if we are in fact aware souls here.

What hope can we have for the world, if a couple hundred people cannot do this in one community such as Lindaland ?

These are just my thoughts, I say all of the above with gentleness and love... I say it to you, to myself and everyone.

Lastly, I recommend a movie "Mr.Nobody" with Jared Leto, which demonstrates how a seemingly unimportant action or word can have a huge bearing on the events of life. Very interesting movie about life, choices and consequences. I think this should be a must see for every astrologer.

posted September 11, 2016 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Voix

I think the point you raised needs a proper acknowledgement, so from bottom of my heart I will address your question.
The answer to the question whether it's safe or appropriate to trivialise going to therapy, is no. Not here anyway. The reason for this is that Lindaland is a place where a lot of people come in search of answers to their pain and sorrow, to find themselves or to answer some life pressing questions. That's what Astrology is for - I note that the 'joke' was posted on Astrology 2.0. People who come here have many colors, some are just curious and thirst for knowledge, others are going through personal tragedies, traumas, illnesses or loss. They may be coming for help/inspiration/courage at a time when their life is crumbling. It is important to keep the vulnerabilities of this very special audience in mind before posting anything.

Why should everyone keep this in mind?

Because arrogance is infectious. You see it posted often, and before you know it, you pick up bad habits. It is said that you become like the people you spend time with. Those on the road to a higher awareness know very well, that ego is an obstacle and has to be kept under tight reign. It is far better to err on the side of caution, than to inflict pain by an insensitive statement.

People here aspire to be aware souls, super conscious, elaborating on higher vibrations et al. But forget about basic modus operandi which is to treat another with love and care, and without judgement. A little humility also goes a long way, so if someone offended or hurt someone, they would do best feeling compassion on some level and acknowledge the wrong. That's constant improvement and growth. Well, that is if we are in fact aware souls here.

What hope can we have for the world, if a couple hundred people cannot do this in one community such as Lindaland ?

These are just my thoughts, I say all of the above with gentleness and love... I say it to you, to myself and everyone.

Lastly, I recommend a movie "Mr.Nobody" with Jared Leto, which demonstrates how a seemingly unimportant action or word can have a huge bearing on the events of life. Very interesting movie about life, choices and consequences. I think this should be a must see for every astrologer.

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Novabronte,

I apologise for the late reply. I trawled through the entire thread on Astro 2.0. twice looking for this brilliant response from you so I could reply, and couldn't find it. Then I realised I was in the wrong thread!

Your feelings on the responsibility we have with our words and how we must err on the side of caution to avoid causing harm, completely match my own. I am so glad we have this understanding.

I also appreciate your nod to social psychology, in particular, that of groups and how close contact can lead to blind loyalty or support just to be part of the group - I have a strong interest in this type of mindset as it is rife in our current western culture (and others, I guess).

Stanford Prison Experiment anyone?

Yes, often we can aspire to reach the stars and in doing so, lose the ground beneath our feet and fall to our deaths.

-- The basics of how to live in peace and harmony must underpin even the most complex of interactions. Respect, compassion, understanding, team spirit, humility.
I think people think we have grown beyond these basic concepts now that we have such dazzling technology and scientific or spiritual understanding of the world, yet it is these that are often lacking wherever we find suffering and strife.

Despite not following any recognised belief system (I make my own from what I regard as the most effective from multiple sources), I have a lot of respect for Buddhism, as despite its superior knowledge of the human mind and behaviour, it always emphasises the basics of treating each other respectfully and compassionately.

Mr Nobody sounds interesting, I will certainly check it out. Looks like it is about the ripple effect?

Yeah, we are always in danger of forgetting just how much power we have to affect the world, for good or ill, when we get lost in our own lives and lose sight of the bigger picture.
This is why I try to think in universal terms, rather than "me and my people", or cultural, or religious, or familial, or only listening to those who agree with me.

posted September 12, 2016 02:56 PM            

The driving force behind me wanting to make this post or thread is 70-80 percent from details that I've learned about a suicide this past weekend.
Only 20-30 percent is driven by any of the recent mental health threads.
Though the topic is kind of close. It could also go into the vent thread I suppose.
I'm just not sure. I don't want to step on anyone's toes with it.

posted September 12, 2016 03:30 PM            

If you would like some deep discussion only on your topic though, maybe a separate thread would be better for that?

With a personal experience of suicide, I would probably make my own thread in Sweet Peas.

posted September 13, 2016 12:21 AM            

Some mental disorders are caused by a biological abnormality that cannot be fixed with out medication.
That being said, I do think meds are being over prescribed and that the system is broken. In fact, that's the reason I wanted to get into psychology. My mother used psychiatrists and therapists as forms of abuse and she threatened me not to tell of the abuse I experienced. Because of that they put me on drugs that I didn't need and I suffered a lot because of that.

However, once I was away from my mom, a year later I got help for my ptsd and depression. It was the best thing I had ever done. I learned a lot of coping measures, healthy behaviors, got on helpful
l meds and it saved my life.

I really believe psychology can do some real good, even though it's broken now. My goal is to offer free, or covered by medicare and Medicaid, psychological services to people and to do more research on mental illness to maybe develop a cure for one.

posted September 13, 2016 06:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I have major depressive disorder and ptsd. I take medication. I still get depressed, but I honestly feel like without my medication I would be dead. I am also in the field of psychology, currently working in a research lab and I have hopes of becoming a medical psychologist.

Some mental disorders are caused by a biological abnormality that cannot be fixed with out medication.
That being said, I do think meds are being over prescribed and that the system is broken. In fact, that's the reason I wanted to get into psychology. My mother used psychiatrists and therapists as forms of abuse and she threatened me not to tell of the abuse I experienced. Because of that they put me on drugs that I didn't need and I suffered a lot because of that.

However, once I was away from my mom, a year later I got help for my ptsd and depression. It was the best thing I had ever done. I learned a lot of coping measures, healthy behaviors, got on helpful
l meds and it saved my life.

I really believe psychology can do some real good, even though it's broken now. My goal is to offer free, or covered by medicare and Medicaid, psychological services to people and to do more research on mental illness to maybe develop a cure for one.

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posted September 13, 2016 06:58 AM            

You are an amazing person!

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posted September 13, 2016 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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You are an amazing person!

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Thank you! I think you're amazing too!