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Topic: The lies people tell
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 23, 2019 08:59 PM
  
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
You're correct about the imbalance. It's waaaaay off. I do think that your *average* woman still desires quite a few elements of tradition in her love life. Are they being forthright about this with men?? No, most are not. "Equal" does not mean exactly THE SAME in every single way. It's about being complimentary! And too many people get confused about this.  Just because a woman goes out to work does not mean that she wants to lead in a relationship and/or swap the roles with her man. No. BTW - I do not identify as a Feminist. What I am is a Realist.
Also, women complain about men not doing enough housework, but statistics show that men who do more housework dont have as much sex as men who only do traditionally masculine chores.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 23, 2019 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
That's literally all you have to say to everything I said to you?Strange.
Yes. You unintentionally demonstrated that female hypergamy is a real phenomenon. Women really do think that most men are trash. That is female hypergamy. Most women only want the top 20% of men and have contempt for the rest of us. That is why I can accidentally make eye contact with a woman when I am walking through a bar and get a dirty look and a head shake that tells me no before I even thought about approaching her.
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LovelyAries86
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From: Pluto-Venusia
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posted April 23, 2019 11:03 PM
AquaGuy.What you're saying now simply is not true. The energy you are currently giving off is *not* going to attract women to you. And THAT is the truth. Stop looking outward. And start to look inward. Best of luck to you. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 24, 2019 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
AquaGuy.What you're saying now simply is not true. The energy you are currently giving off is *not* going to attract women to you. And THAT is the truth. Stop looking outward. And start to look inward. Best of luck to you.
I just pointed out what you said. You said, "it doesn't mean anything to have a lot of options when most of them are trash." I just pointed out that this is how women feel about most men. That is true. IP: Logged |
ballerina
Moderator Posts: 2061
From: A Place on Earth
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted April 24, 2019 02:01 PM
Are you expecting this
reaction from a11 women?..there are some women
out there that are man-haters,
but also, there are some men
who are women-haters... It's a11 about your perspective... ------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted April 25, 2019 08:36 AM
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 25, 2019 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by ballerina:
Are you expecting this
reaction from a11 women?..there are some women
out there that are man-haters,
but also, there are some men
who are women-haters... It's a11 about your perspective...
I just get frustrated when I see a woman claim to have the same issues that guys have and then admit that they have options, but they consider most of them to be trash.Here's the thing. A lot of guys like myself don't have options. I might get half a dozen messages from women a year on dating sites if I'm lucky. I'm talking about women who actually take the initiative and message me first. The average woman can get dozens or hundreds of messages a month. See the difference? LovelyAries has the mindset that marginalizes and dehumanizes guys. We increasingly aren't good enough to meet their checklist of the perfect man. The average guy just wants a halfway decent looking woman who is nice; the rest is negotiable. Women only want the cream of the crop and think the rest of us are subhuman.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 25, 2019 06:28 PM
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LovelyAries86
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From: Pluto-Venusia
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posted April 25, 2019 09:14 PM
AG. You sound ridiculous now. Don't lie on me. If you misunderstood that is your issue, not mine. I never said all men were trash. Never said all women were wonderful. What I said was that many of these men who message women online are TRASH - and it's true. Many of them are perverts who talk about sex right off the bat; lazy losers that consider Netflix & Chill a real date; dudes who are boring conversationalists who just say "hey" over & over; or are desperate, awkward, needy individuals just like yourself that whine instead of improving themselves. NONE of that is attractive. It's truly about quality *not* quantity! But you wouldn't understand that as someone who admittedly has no options. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 25, 2019 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
AG. You sound ridiculous now. Don't lie on me. If you misunderstood that is your issue, not mine. I never said all men were trash. Never said all women were wonderful. What I said was that many of these men who message women online are TRASH - and it's true. Many of them are perverts who talk about sex right off the bat; lazy losers that consider Netflix & Chill a real date; dudes who are boring conversationalists who just say "hey" over & over; or are desperate, awkward, needy individuals just like yourself that whine instead of improving themselves. NONE of that is attractive. It's truly about quality *not* quantity! But you wouldn't understand that as someone who admittedly has no options.
Go back and read my original post. I spent years leveling up to become more attractive to women.I overcame severe social anxiety by forcing myself to go out and talk to tons of women. Why? Because as a guy I have zero options. We have to approach. I also took dance classes, improv classes, took up new hobbies, started dressing better etc. And guess what? I still go out on dates and have women who are 50 or more pounds overweight turn their noses up at me. And not an interesting conversationalist? It takes two people to have a good conversation. A guy cant have a good conversation with a girl if she is one wording him from jump street. So, don't give me none of that nonsense. I've put in more work to connect with women than you can possibly imagine.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 25, 2019 10:26 PM
Perhaps, I was a bit hard on you, but you didn't do yourself any favor by pretending to care about men and then referring to a whole group of them as "complete trash."Then, instead of explaining what you meant, you got mean and nasty. You need to understand that a lot of women think all men they dont find attractive are trash. They literally think that way. So, you dont do yourself any favors by using that language. IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86
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From: Pluto-Venusia
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted April 25, 2019 11:05 PM
I didn't pretend at all - I meant what I said. You misunderstood, you were rude AF, you were wrong. Period. Of course it takes two people to have a conversation - DUH. But if you message a woman you damn sure should have something to say besides one-word sentences to her! If you don't, you're lame. What I'm *not* going to do is go in circles with you. I know now not to waste my time discussing this subject with you in the future whatsoever. Goodnight. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 12233
From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted April 25, 2019 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
I didn't pretend at all - I meant what I said. You misunderstood, you were rude AF, you were wrong. Period. Of course it takes two people to have a conversation - DUH. But if you message a woman you damn sure should have something to say besides one-word sentences to her! If you don't, you're lame. What I'm *not* going to do is go in circles with you. I know now not to waste my time discussing this subject with you in the future whatsoever. Goodnight.
And you haven't been rude? Also, I don't one word anybody. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 16, 2019 03:10 PM
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Randall
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posted June 08, 2019 07:34 AM
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teasel
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posted June 08, 2019 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
[b]AG. You sound ridiculous now. Don't lie on me. If you misunderstood that is your issue, not mine. I never said all men were trash. Never said all women were wonderful. What I said was that many of these men who message women online are TRASH - and it's true. Many of them are perverts who talk about sex right off the bat; lazy losers that consider Netflix & Chill a real date; dudes who are boring conversationalists who just say "hey" over & over; or are desperate, awkward, needy individuals just like yourself that whine instead of improving themselves. NONE of that is attractive. It's truly about quality *not* quantity! But you wouldn't understand that as someone who admittedly has no options.
Go back and read my original post. I spent years leveling up to become more attractive to women.I overcame severe social anxiety by forcing myself to go out and talk to tons of women. Why? Because as a guy I have zero options. We have to approach. I also took dance classes, improv classes, took up new hobbies, started dressing better etc. And guess what? I still go out on dates and have women who are 50 or more pounds overweight turn their noses up at me. And not an interesting conversationalist? It takes two people to have a good conversation. A guy cant have a good conversation with a girl if she is one wording him from jump street. So, don't give me none of that nonsense. I've put in more work to connect with women than you can possibly imagine. [/B][/QUOTE] What does their weight matter? you think because they weigh more, they should be nicer, and just take anyone? And by saying "anyone" I'm not saying that you are worthless. you've "leveled up" just so you can act like women who are 50lbs overweight, shouldn't go out with men they're attracted to? No. That's not the way it works. IP: Logged |
Brendan34
Knowflake Posts: 541
From: Albany, NY, USA
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 12, 2019 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes,
But we still shouldn't lie to young people and give them false hope.
And don't get me wrong, I am all for self development and teaching people to be their best selves. I have followed that path and don't regret it. Having said that, I still wish people hadn't lied to me and led me to believe it would guarantee success with women because it just doesn't. Being a confident, interesting and well rounded guy only gets you so far today when the average woman is a swipe or DM away from a guy who is better looking and all of those things.
None of that lasts though. As you get older, confidence really does come from knowing yourself and not needing constant external self validation. It depends on what you're looking for really. Dating and relationships are two entirely different things. From what I've witnessed so far in life, women like men who are comfortable in who they are, not trying too hard to make an impression. Humor always helps as long as it's genuine. It sounds like a massive cliche, but it doesn't matter what you look like or what you accomplish if you're not happy in who you are at your core. I only say this because I struggle with this. That relationship with yourself is what will be reflected in your relation to others, especially meaningful, intimate relationships.
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 12233
From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 22, 2019 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
What does their weight matter? you think because they weigh more, they should be nicer, and just take anyone?
No,
I'm not saying they should have to date anyone. I mention overweight women in particular because they are huge (pun intended) hypocrites. They talk about body positivity and accepting all body types, but they want a thin, hot guy who is in good shape and treat overweight guys with contempt.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 23, 2019 07:32 AM
High Low 🤚😁To be honest... I don’t think it is primarily about outter things like confidence or meeting someone’s checklist of: good job, has his life together, physically attractive etc. So you’re right about that. But I also don’t think it’s about “women” as a group being collectively a certain way... and repeating specific patterns of behaviour (like it’s all one big scientific experiment with a perfect scientific explanation). On a one-on-one level (when it’s just between *you* and one individual *her*)... I think it’s first and foremost about empathy,
And it’s not actually always easy to empathise with everyone at all times. It doesn’t always come naturally. But it’s very important to try! Even when there are gender differences, or cultural differences or religious differences, or even just serious personality differences.... it’s important to be able to connect on that emotional level, in a human2human sense. Try putting yourself in the other’s shoes.. How do they feel? What are their needs, desires, wants? What makes their heart skip a beat? How are they feeling in this moment when the two of you are together?
Try to really feel the person/woman in front of you... rather than overthink the situation. Who is she? What events/things in her life have made her who she is today? You need to *get* someone and *feel* someone, to be with them and have a positive relationship.
You can’t just see them as “yet another woman”... “another sheep from the flock”... lol You have a lot of air and earth in your chart AG. Sometimes I think you need to tell your brain to shut up... and just *feel*.... And try to act from the feeling... as opposed to act on things you’ve -read about-... things that might make perfect logical sense... but that are actually “out of touch” with the emotional undercurrents of love and life ❤️ IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted July 06, 2019 11:33 AM
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Randall
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posted December 04, 2019 06:27 PM
Bump for AG. Not sure he saw that, Odette.IP: Logged |
vansio
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posted December 04, 2019 10:11 PM
If you don’t love your self, you won’t know what is or how to love at all. Doesn’t matter what gender you are. I don’t have sympathy for anyone who expects something they themselves lack in character fundamentally and are bitter about it - that is a sense of entitlement and negligence. There’s not much more I can say to this extent as there’s no grey area when it comes to Love: you are or you aren’t. Someone with true Love within could spend their entire lives sincerely celibate without complaint. fulfillment.A lot of what OP has written, even their self-sabotaging experiential evidence, is classic ‘psychological projection’ and counter-projection. I mention the terms because if they were to take the time to recognize themselves in the behavior’s feedback, it might pave a way for reclaiming, correcting/healing and eventual intimacy with another. Starts with self. IP: Logged |
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