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bonadea33
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posted May 08, 2011 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very busy with Medical Astrology, this time in French.
I found there that Lilith is amoral (not ethical?).

My Lilith is at critical degree, 29 degree of Scorpio in 2nd house. It is not good for 2nd and for 8th house.

It has two aspects:
opposition with Venus,
trine with Mars.

For me that means, men are good and I am bad (the houses, over there).

One Astrologer told me: my Lilith is good. I think, it is not good at all.

What about your Lilith?

Here is the link: http://www.nmazca.com/coeli/lilith.htm

Thank you for comments.

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posted May 08, 2011 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even my dark side is good

LILITH IN SAGITTARIUS surely confronts you with the temptations of education journeys. If there is something to learn somewhere, you are quickly at place and you won't leave out a single opportunity to travel. Your contact to fellow beings is, due to your knowledge and psychological understanding, rather missionary and manipulative, but always with well-meaning intention. You are popular in a certain way because you try to apply diplomacy and fairness. At all your optimism and all the generosity you spread out, it could come to the situation that other people take advantage of you, or that you misjudge fellow beings.


LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you, or you negate your abilities or don't want to admit them. You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings. You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion. If you meet your probably permanent desires to travel far away by just doing it, you may come in contact to many interesting people, and thus you will be able to extend your horizon.

other type of lilith is in that house, don't know the difference though.
LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

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posted May 08, 2011 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith or dark moon is in my first house,
conjunct Pluto and Sun in Libra,sextile Neptune...
I Love to create music!

Asteroid Lilith is in Scorpio 2nd house though...
I just read the website a little more....They are referring to Black or dark Moon Lilith...which is one of the objects in the scroll down box on astro.com

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

LILITH IN THE 1st HOUSE lets you always fight impulsively and initiatively for liberalism and fairness. You have ingenuity and foam over with energy in relations, partnerships and public-referred interests. With sexual adventures you can get enticed easily and if someone offers a leading role to you, you take it without thinking. In this position there is a tendency to come into problematic situations repeatedly, and also to understand the life life-worthy only as a kind of nonstop action

I can definitely see the Lilith in 1st house interpretation as accurate for me.

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posted May 08, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mine conjunct my Moon in the 8th house. And therefore trine neptune and sextile pluto.

I don't think she's neccesarily amoral, she probably has her own code in fact. She's just not following convention there is no point to it? The word escapes me at the moment.

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posted May 08, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bonadea,there r definitely two women fighting inside u!
My Lilith is in H12,but this interp. doesn't cut it...

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posted May 08, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww... my lilith doesn't start out too nice. Actually... hold on, we are talking about BML here, or not?

In which case, if we are, my Lilith is in Aries 5th house, trine mercury and ASC (and uranus too), sextile moon and DSC (and chiron too), opposite Vesta and square Jupiter (whoo! Finally something that aspects my Jupiter! )


LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.

Awww... one night stands?

LILITH IN THE 5th HOUSE spreads charisma, but possibly lets you misjudge your children. It can lead to fatal misunderstandings, if you don't use your intuition and wisdom with children. Maybe it comes to manipulations on one side or even mutually. You are maybe a phoney and like to set yourself on stage. Gladly you surround yourself with luxury and look for harmony, need a lot of freedom. You easily succumb to the temptation to take part in speculations.

Don't know about the children bit yet (toddler is a bit too young to give feedback), but I don't really like to put myself on stage. If I did, I would be a professional singer by now...

The Asteroid Lilith is in Scorpio 11th house, sextile Jupiter and widely conjunct my Sun.

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posted May 08, 2011 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

My Lilith is in Aries, in house 1.

It squares my Moon and Mars, and is in opposition to my Venus. It Trines my Saturn and is semi-sextile to my Mercury and Uranus.

Is there anything it doesn't aspect, lol!?

Interesting.

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posted May 08, 2011 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mean BML conj ceres in house 5. My asteroid lilith conj angel conj My DC in house 7.

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posted May 08, 2011 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lilith 17 degres in Scorpio House 6.

"LILITH IN SCORPIO may let you be enticed by sexual attractions easily, whereby you subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner or in reverse, or it comes to a mutually making the most of power. In this position the danger exists that you don't recognize these powers at all, the own or those of the others. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents and symbolic as well as real deaths, although there are usually opportunities to avoid it before any danger appears. You are maybe addicted to dangers because you want to exceed borders. Possibly you had to make experiences with death in the childhood, but can see the death as an inevitable part of the life due to your large psychological regeneration ability now."

"LILITH IN THE 6th HOUSE often lets you succumb to rational temptations of perfection, correctness and hygiene. On the other hand also an irrational, intuitive attraction shows up. A fight between understanding and feeling could occur here. Perhaps you internally hate all the perfection and such things. You may misjudge the reality frequently, and you take the liberty to place criticism without the necessary objectivity at the same time. Your psychological understanding is very noticeably and perhaps you find your healing in helping other people, in healing and in sympathy for others. In partnerships and relations it could come to a conflict between your thirst for autonomy and an urge to commit yourself to the other. If your public life gets too stressful you may tend to retreat from it for a while."

And I just found out my aspects yesterday.

Lilith Conjunction Moon 1.15
Lilith Conjunction Pluto 0.72
Lilith Square Midheaven 1.73


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posted May 09, 2011 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, thank you all for comments.

I would like to know, how is that with Lilith in 7th house?

B.

p.s. For Lilith I mean the link, over there.

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posted May 09, 2011 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quinnie,

Do you have Sun in Libra?

I know many Libra people and it wouldn't wonder me, if you are Libra, too.

B.

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posted May 09, 2011 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Bobbie

Yes I have the Sun in Libra too...Good observation!
Where is your Sun Bobbie?

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posted May 09, 2011 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quinnie,

My Sun is in Taurus and my ASC is Libra.

I have not much from Taurus, except stubbornness.
Maybe this my obsession with collecting something, I like belongs to Taurus?

WL, Bobbie

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posted May 09, 2011 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lilith was that wh or e that adam banged on the side wasn't she?

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posted May 09, 2011 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VenusDiSirius,

The Astrologer, who wrote about Lilith as amoral, writes also that Libra is a double sign, what means there are five double signs (according to him).

In that case there are four persons in me:

ASC Libra,
Moon in Pisces.

To be ASC Libra is not the best: I never know, what is right and what is wrong.

Bobbie

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posted May 09, 2011 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bonadea33:
VenusDiSirius,

The Astrologer, who wrote about Lilith as amoral, writes also that Libra is a double sign, what means there are five double signs (according to him).

In that case there are four persons in me:

ASC Libra,
Moon in Pisces.

To be ASC Libra is not the best: I never know, what is right and what is wrong.

Bobbie


I had in mind Venus oppo Lilith,when I posted!!

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posted May 09, 2011 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bethcarlies,

Here are two links about Lilith:
http://lilithgate.atspace.org/essays/astrolilith.html
http://www.halexandria.org/dward382.htm

Even Adam had two wives.

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posted May 09, 2011 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VenusDiSirius,

"I had in mind Venus oppo Lilith,when I posted!!"

Thank you for explanation.
As I don't know people with Venus opp. Lilith, I didn't know much about that.

Lilith is still mystery for me.

B.

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posted May 09, 2011 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was researching about Lilith,low,basic feelings were common interp. for it; there is definitely no desire to do right,I was quite perplex by all those linear meanings.
But,one of the most important thing is whether is Lilith 'released' through conjunction with some of personal planets. Again,dark stuff

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posted May 09, 2011 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Lilith is either in 12th Aries (conj my beloved Pallas and Vesta), 11th Pisces (osc.) or 7th Scorpio (1181 Ast.)

For me personally, she's not evil or low, but then I am accepting my dark sides and acknowledge that there are times when they are usefull.

On the other hand, my moon is conj. exact someones lilith in a synastry, does that mean I am the personification of the female horrorvision from hell?

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posted May 09, 2011 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have lilith in libra in 7th house conjunct venus and moon

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

LILITH IN THE 7th HOUSE causes a fight between a commitment urge and a strive for independence. Perhaps you are able to analyze your own psychological situation in every detail, but you succumb to the temptation to change nothing, showing the same behaviors again and again, of which you know exactly that you harm yourself. Gladly you manipulate your fellow beings with best intentions and flirts are your speciality. Also, you love the music and show your mediating, always fair and harmony-referring nature.

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posted May 09, 2011 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get along so well with taurus!...It must be the venus connection
But I notice Taurus females have a real goundedness to them that I appreciate

Double Venus influence like me then Bobbie

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posted May 09, 2011 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Lilith like Pluto..an extremely creative force. Lilith is the dark essence of the female, kind of similar to Eris...They say Lilith was the first woman though, before Eve, and that she refused to submit to Adam...and authority or convention for that matter. So where Lilith is could be representative of where you are non-conforming, not necessarily sexually though, as she is portrayed sexually but this only highlights the power she had in with-holding sex from Adam, and depending how you look at it, because of this, perhaps her name is mud...literally...as she was made from mud

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posted May 09, 2011 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just realised I've been such an idiot! I don't know where my head was when I looked for BML in my chart, but... It's not in 5th house, it's in 4th.

No wonder I didn't feel like the 5th house thing applied to me at all!

LILITH IN THE 4th HOUSE looks for fulfilment in family, home and homeland. Probably you suffer from the missing autonomy, anyhow you don't get lucky. You gladly invite to meals and meet the whole family to communicative happenings. You strive for harmony and diplomacy, but are inclined to misjudge your fellow beings. Possibly there is discord between understanding and feeling.

I don't misjudge people often, but it does happen, as with everyone I suppose. The rest is very accurate... definitely moreso than the Lilith in 5th house description

Silly me!

About the sentence in bold: Mercury opposite moon, perhaps? Funny, how certain things in my chart keep popping up in other aspects and placements, too

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posted May 09, 2011 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Quinnie:
I see Lilith like Pluto..an extremely creative force. Lilith is the dark essence of the female, kind of similar to Eris...They say Lilith was the first woman though, before Eve, and that she refused to submit to Adam...and authority or convention for that matter. So where Lilith is could be representative of where you are non-conforming, not necessarily sexually though, as she is portrayed sexually but this only highlights the power she had in with-holding sex from Adam, and depending how you look at it, because of this, perhaps her name is mud...literally...as she was made from mud

Something like that yea.

Also, Adam prolly bit himself for years to come for having lost Lilith and being stuck with Eve, who in the end even got him tossed out of Paradise. Bet that wouldn't have happened to Lilith

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