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Nightingale
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posted June 07, 2011 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does this mean in a natal chart?

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posted June 07, 2011 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I was wondering when a Sun conjunct Lucifer would rear it's head

Well, My friend has moon conjunct Lucifer.
I think it may make one susceptible to the dark world influences more than the average person.
Does that fit? Yes/No?

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posted June 08, 2011 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think it may make one susceptible to the dark world influences more than the average person.
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Yes. Additionally, more prone to rebelling against an authority figure just for the sake of rebelling. The rebel without a cause.

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posted June 08, 2011 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed with iQ. the current guy I am interested in has, erm, a lot of Lucifer connections - and I dont think he's devil incarnate...Lucifer EXACTLY conjunct Sun/semi-square Venus/sesquisquadrate NNode and a few other aspects of Lucifer, Nessus, Kaali thankfully not exact on 0 degrees

I think its indicative of a rebellious mind/personality, moreso pertaining to shaking the status-quo, on a personal level and if it makes a couple of aspects to outer planets, especially Uranus, to the society as a whole. I think Lucifer energy is not the same as Nessus for example, its not 'dark' in itself (Lucifer does mean the 'Light-bearer afterall) but it has potential for extremes. For me, its more amoral than immoral - it gives brilliance but also tendency for catastrophe. Creative chaos. It can be manifested and directed in various ways but not subtly at all, and that depends to the chart as a whole and several specific aspects that would showcase whether this energy would be channeled for enlightment purposes or for destruction.

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posted June 08, 2011 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anemone:
Agreed with iQ. the current guy I am interested in has, erm, a lot of Lucifer connections - and I dont think he's devil incarnate...Lucifer conjunct Lucifer EXACTLY conjunct Sun/semi-square Venus/sesquisquadrate NNode and a few other aspects of Lucifer, Nessus, Kaali thankfully not exact on 0 degrees

I think its indicative of a rebellious mind/personality, moreso pertaining to shaking the status-quo, on a personal level and if it makes a couple of aspects to outer planets, especially Uranus, to the society as a whole. I think Lucifer energy is not the same as Nessus for example, its not 'dark' in itself (Lucifer does mean the 'Light-bearer afterall) but it has potential for extremes. For me, its more amoral than immoral - it gives brilliance but also tendency for catastrophe. Creative chaos. It can be manifested and directed in various ways but not subtly at all, and that depends to the chart as a whole and several specific aspects that would showcase whether this energy would be channeled for enlightment purposes or for destruction.


Brilliant points Anemone
The amoral part vs immoral !

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posted June 08, 2011 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Additionally, more prone to rebelling against an authority figure just for the sake of rebelling. The rebel without a cause.

A very gentle interpretation, it would seem such a person has no more danger or badness indicated by this conjunction than by a conjunction to Uranus. I had hoped for something distinctive. Is there anything distinctive about this conjunction?

PS. I'm talking about someone I know, not Obama.

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posted June 08, 2011 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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For me, its more amoral than immoral - it gives brilliance but also tendency for catastrophe. Creative chaos. It can be manifested and directed in various ways but not subtly at all, and that depends to the chart as a whole and several specific aspects that would showcase whether this energy would be channeled for enlightment purposes or for destruction.

Thanks for this analysis. I'm not sure what creative chaos is though.

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posted June 08, 2011 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nightingale, see what I wrote if it helps you...In my humble opinion, and this is how I ve seen it manifested, Uranus 'rebeliousness' is not catastrophic or carries the extremes of Lucifer. Uranus is quirky, innovative, HUMANITARIAN, rebel -yes - but it doesnt have the dark potential of Lucifer. POTENTIAL.
As I said, Lucifer is the Light-Bearer...it carries brilliance, great strength, enlightenment but it often comes with a price...its not necessarily 'bad' energy, but it is AMORAL energy - Lucifer will break down bariers, the means would justify the end, the purpose would be much more important than the path one would take to get there. It wont necessarily manifest in 'dark' ways but if need be, moral tenets will not stand in the way of its purpose.
iQ and Ami Ann, whats your take on this?

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posted June 08, 2011 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I just saw your reply...Lucifer would 'stir things up' because there is no fear of digging deep or of 'darkness'. It carries an energy similar to Plutonian on this one - although the rebeliousness part differentiates this energy. Lucifer would destroy in order to get rid of stalling situation/status-quo and will not consider the price or socially accepted moral norms. Its purpose is Illumination, wisdom, knowledge. Order and peace is of no importance in pursuit of the above and would shake things up if need be - hence, amoral. So its not necessarily driven by bad intentions (or good for that matter) that is indicated by other aspects. A Lucifer-heavy person, in a afflicted chart, could truly be the 'Devil' himself. Likewise, in a gifted/non-afflicted chart, he could be a pioneer/enlightened person/genius who would fight against established, 'stalling' rules and go about his own path seeking Truth.

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posted June 08, 2011 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nightingale:
A very gentle interpretation, it would seem such a person has no more danger or badness indicated by this conjunction than by a conjunction to Uranus. I had hoped for something distinctive. Is there anything distinctive about this conjunction?

PS. I'm talking about someone I know, not Obama.


I am gonna think about this and try to answer.I know a lot about Lucifer as I know the Bible .Maybe I can get some more insights.
DOES Obama have lucifer conjunct the Sun or was that a joke lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 08, 2011 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The story of Lucifer is NOT one of evil, per se.
It is one of pride. Lucifer was the most beautiful being ever created.
He wanted to be worshiped as God.That was his story,pride.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 08, 2011 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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DOES Obama have lucifer conjunct the Sun or was that a joke lol

True lol

But I'm interested in the placement in general. It seems to me there might be some revisionism around it, I can't believe it is banal(ish) energy which can be directed towards light or dark. There has to be some kind of sinister quality to it, or meaning behind it. I suppose destructiveness might be key here - as Anemone and IQ have mentioned above. Destructiveness for its own sake, or for a set of false but strongly-held beliefs maybe?

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That was his story,pride.

I can see this very much as appearing in a Lucifer Sun conjunction. Ego blinds people to the truth too, but they won't care if blinded by Lucifer perhaps? Because Lucifer-energy is at the heart of who they are.

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posted June 08, 2011 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how do you know when something conjuncts your sign?

I have Lucifer where I have my rising Gemini I wonder if it conjuncts.

I find alot of wired connections with this asteroid. Here is something I said in an older topic about this asteroid

"I was reading about the Satanist religion out of curiousity on wiki.
The Luciefer Asteroid is # 1930. I find it ironic because Anton LeVey was born in 1930. He founded Sataninsm.
I only remenbered that because his bday is Apr 11 and mine is on the 12, AND we are both born in the Chinese year of the metal horse (exsept I'm in 1990) and month of the meatal dragon. And we are both Aries of course. So his bday has really stuck with me."

Also we both have Mercury in Taurus.

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posted June 08, 2011 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lucifer 12 deg. in the 12th house

It's two degres behind my asc, would that make them conjunct?

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posted June 09, 2011 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the conjunction is valid.

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posted June 09, 2011 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Stawr
Lucifer was the angel of music ,too.He had musical instruments built in to his body.
If you have the Lucifer asteroid in such a key place you should study the actual story of Lucifer.
I will see if I can come back with some more insights.
He became "bad" cuz he could NOT be good enough,high enough, the BEST.
He was wonderful and exalted but he wanted it all.
He could not get it.He could not become God, his creator.
So, his passion was to thwart and destroy everything God loved which was man.
He turned evil from this simple pride ,you could say.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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posted June 09, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what a coinsidence!(hehe I love using words that I can't spell)

I am musically gifted. Wheather it's singing, oh playing an instrament. I found out that I have perfect pitch. Thats where I can know the name of notes just by hearing them. I don't have to look at the piano or paper. And I always remember what key the song is in.

I played voilyn for a while. I never practiced at home and I would be 1st or 2nd chair in class. But then by 7th grade my teacher started getting on my damn nerves. So I quit. She always wanted my nails to be shorter. I played just fine, and I can't stand really short nails.

I did theater for a while. Did some pro shows in Michigan. I even became dellusional that I would get sucsessful early and that I wouldn't have to graduate highschool. Or I at least wanted that to happen really bad. Not very practical of me ayy? All the singing acting dancing I did outside of school. Started to become too much on my plate. By 16 I remember having four things over lapping. That's when I got burned out. And for the first time ever WANTED A BREAK. I kept saying that to my mom. She didn't care. She was kind of living some dreams through me. She is kinda talented and likes music too. I didn't know how to stop. Finally by 17 I said that I only wanted to do things that payed. (not alot of work in Michigan) But after that one insident. It just wasn't fun and exiting anymore. I didn't feel joy like I use to. It was annoying. I just wanted to be a normal kid. I went back to public school. Realized I needed to graduate even though school sucks.

I think I was mildly depressed from 17-18. And I rebelled alot from 17-19.

I havn't used my musical gift in a while. Who knows if I will ever feel like using it. Now I just really like to listin to music. And I really hate show tunes now. From 18-19 I seriously only listined to rap music. Now I'm more back to a lil bit of everything.

I'm still into finding what else I like and am interested in. Like right now I am using my gift of being good with kids. I feel like I kind of limited my self to having other interests when I was younger.

Thanks for the insight Ami and IQ. I'll be sure to look out for this pattern and keep it in check for the future.

But yea I kind of see a pattern of having issues with authority when it came to my talent after a while. Making me just want to quit.

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posted June 09, 2011 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for northernlad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I randomly decided to see where some asteroids were in my chart and Ihave Lucifer conjunct Sun exact

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posted June 09, 2011 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Northernlad,
Millions of people have this aspect. The odds are 1/360 and with 7 billion Terrans, just do the math.

You can always use this for the positive by defying wicked authority figures. This aspect gets dangerous only if Saturn exactly squares retrograde Mars or Venus or Nessus in the chart.

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posted March 07, 2014 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic_Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer is Venus the morning star, people with strong Lucifer's are similar to beautiful females, using seduction and beauty to pass through anything. This is why Venus is known as the planet of the Devil. It is the strong heat and fire of passion that is pure selfishness and beauty at the same time.

Barrack Obama has his Sun in Cancer conjunct Lucifer, notice he will have not have any doubt of how he looks, it does give a strong look of the devil's incarnate, as through the art of seduction you can get away with anything, but there is nothing necessarily evil about Lucifer. It's a masculine Venus.

Lucifer is no worse than is the seduction of a Woman

Lucifer opposite Sun
Lucifer conjunct Draconic Neptune

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posted March 07, 2014 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

Barrack Obama has his Sun in Cancer conjunct Lucifer,


Did you mean Leo? Obama was born Aug 4

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posted March 07, 2014 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anemone:
Uranus 'rebeliousness' is not catastrophic or carries the extremes of Lucifer. Uranus is quirky, innovative, HUMANITARIAN, rebel -yes - but it doesnt have the dark potential of Lucifer. POTENTIAL.
As I said, Lucifer is the Light-Bearer...it carries brilliance, great strength, enlightenment but it often comes with a price...its not necessarily 'bad' energy, but it is AMORAL energy - Lucifer will break down bariers, the means would justify the end, the purpose would be much more important than the path one would take to get there. It wont necessarily manifest in 'dark' ways but if need be, moral tenets will not stand in the way of its purpose.

Interesting to compare these two because I've seen them together in a chart, Uranus conjunct Lucifer, yielding disastrous results to others, not with evil intent, but because pure rebellion against injustices, political or otherwise, created an end that was justified. Without moral consideration at the time, actually, yet not immoral.

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posted March 08, 2014 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic_Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Did you mean Leo? Obama was born Aug 4

The Sun doesn't sit in the known tropical position as Ophiuchus is in the ecliptic and Orion the opposite polarity is also moving in.

The 13 sign dates are the accurate dates for the Natal Sun sign only as the Sun is the only body large enough to be changed while the rest stay in the known position, the Sun dates move by about 15 days until Orion is included in the picture as well, but i don't think that will happen until we've preceded deeper into the Aquarian age.

Obama has his Sun in Cancer conjunct Lucifer, with his Natal Mercury in Leo & Natal NNode conjunct Uranus and Regulus in Leo conjuncted exactly by Draconic H12 Saturn in Leo

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posted March 09, 2014 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, thanks for explaining where you are coming from with this.

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posted February 14, 2018 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chispas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just ran across this
I have Lucifer conjunct Moon in Scorpio and Lucifer opposite, same degree, Uranus which is conjunct my Sun in Taurus. For those who think Lucifer is evil I suggest reading this:
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/lucifer-adversary-vs-bearer-of-light

We just like to raise hell once in a whle..
www.chispaspiratus.com

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