posted June 07, 2011 04:08 PM            

Well, My friend has moon conjunct Lucifer.
I think it may make one susceptible to the dark world influences more than the average person.
Does that fit? Yes/No?

posted June 08, 2011 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Anemone:
Agreed with iQ. the current guy I am interested in has, erm, a lot of Lucifer connections - and I dont think he's devil incarnate...Lucifer conjunct Lucifer EXACTLY conjunct Sun/semi-square Venus/sesquisquadrate NNode and a few other aspects of Lucifer, Nessus, Kaali thankfully not exact on 0 degrees

I think its indicative of a rebellious mind/personality, moreso pertaining to shaking the status-quo, on a personal level and if it makes a couple of aspects to outer planets, especially Uranus, to the society as a whole. I think Lucifer energy is not the same as Nessus for example, its not 'dark' in itself (Lucifer does mean the 'Light-bearer afterall) but it has potential for extremes. For me, its more amoral than immoral - it gives brilliance but also tendency for catastrophe. Creative chaos. It can be manifested and directed in various ways but not subtly at all, and that depends to the chart as a whole and several specific aspects that would showcase whether this energy would be channeled for enlightment purposes or for destruction.

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Brilliant points Anemone
The amoral part vs immoral !

posted June 08, 2011 07:33 AM            

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Additionally, more prone to rebelling against an authority figure just for the sake of rebelling. The rebel without a cause.

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A very gentle interpretation, it would seem such a person has no more danger or badness indicated by this conjunction than by a conjunction to Uranus. I had hoped for something distinctive. Is there anything distinctive about this conjunction?

posted June 08, 2011 07:36 AM            

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For me, its more amoral than immoral - it gives brilliance but also tendency for catastrophe. Creative chaos. It can be manifested and directed in various ways but not subtly at all, and that depends to the chart as a whole and several specific aspects that would showcase whether this energy would be channeled for enlightment purposes or for destruction.

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posted June 08, 2011 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Nightingale:
A very gentle interpretation, it would seem such a person has no more danger or badness indicated by this conjunction than by a conjunction to Uranus. I had hoped for something distinctive. Is there anything distinctive about this conjunction?

PS. I'm talking about someone I know, not Obama.

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I am gonna think about this and try to answer.I know a lot about Lucifer as I know the Bible .Maybe I can get some more insights.
DOES Obama have lucifer conjunct the Sun or was that a joke lol

posted June 08, 2011 01:30 PM            

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DOES Obama have lucifer conjunct the Sun or was that a joke lol

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True lol

But I'm interested in the placement in general. It seems to me there might be some revisionism around it, I can't believe it is banal(ish) energy which can be directed towards light or dark. There has to be some kind of sinister quality to it, or meaning behind it. I suppose destructiveness might be key here - as Anemone and IQ have mentioned above. Destructiveness for its own sake, or for a set of false but strongly-held beliefs maybe?

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That was his story,pride.

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posted June 08, 2011 10:04 PM            

I have Lucifer where I have my rising Gemini I wonder if it conjuncts.

I find alot of wired connections with this asteroid. Here is something I said in an older topic about this asteroid

"I was reading about the Satanist religion out of curiousity on wiki.
The Luciefer Asteroid is # 1930. I find it ironic because Anton LeVey was born in 1930. He founded Sataninsm.
I only remenbered that because his bday is Apr 11 and mine is on the 12, AND we are both born in the Chinese year of the metal horse (exsept I'm in 1990) and month of the meatal dragon. And we are both Aries of course. So his bday has really stuck with me."

posted June 09, 2011 10:34 AM            

I am musically gifted. Wheather it's singing, oh playing an instrament. I found out that I have perfect pitch. Thats where I can know the name of notes just by hearing them. I don't have to look at the piano or paper. And I always remember what key the song is in.

I played voilyn for a while. I never practiced at home and I would be 1st or 2nd chair in class. But then by 7th grade my teacher started getting on my damn nerves. So I quit. She always wanted my nails to be shorter. I played just fine, and I can't stand really short nails.

I did theater for a while. Did some pro shows in Michigan. I even became dellusional that I would get sucsessful early and that I wouldn't have to graduate highschool. Or I at least wanted that to happen really bad. Not very practical of me ayy? All the singing acting dancing I did outside of school. Started to become too much on my plate. By 16 I remember having four things over lapping. That's when I got burned out. And for the first time ever WANTED A BREAK. I kept saying that to my mom. She didn't care. She was kind of living some dreams through me. She is kinda talented and likes music too. I didn't know how to stop. Finally by 17 I said that I only wanted to do things that payed. (not alot of work in Michigan) But after that one insident. It just wasn't fun and exiting anymore. I didn't feel joy like I use to. It was annoying. I just wanted to be a normal kid. I went back to public school. Realized I needed to graduate even though school sucks.

I think I was mildly depressed from 17-18. And I rebelled alot from 17-19.

I havn't used my musical gift in a while. Who knows if I will ever feel like using it. Now I just really like to listin to music. And I really hate show tunes now. From 18-19 I seriously only listined to rap music. Now I'm more back to a lil bit of everything.

I'm still into finding what else I like and am interested in. Like right now I am using my gift of being good with kids. I feel like I kind of limited my self to having other interests when I was younger.

Thanks for the insight Ami and IQ. I'll be sure to look out for this pattern and keep it in check for the future.

posted June 09, 2011 01:07 PM            

You can always use this for the positive by defying wicked authority figures. This aspect gets dangerous only if Saturn exactly squares retrograde Mars or Venus or Nessus in the chart.

posted March 07, 2014 04:52 PM            

Barrack Obama has his Sun in Cancer conjunct Lucifer, notice he will have not have any doubt of how he looks, it does give a strong look of the devil's incarnate, as through the art of seduction you can get away with anything, but there is nothing necessarily evil about Lucifer. It's a masculine Venus.

Lucifer is no worse than is the seduction of a Woman

posted March 07, 2014 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

Barrack Obama has his Sun in Cancer conjunct Lucifer,

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posted March 07, 2014 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Anemone:
Uranus 'rebeliousness' is not catastrophic or carries the extremes of Lucifer. Uranus is quirky, innovative, HUMANITARIAN, rebel -yes - but it doesnt have the dark potential of Lucifer. POTENTIAL.
As I said, Lucifer is the Light-Bearer...it carries brilliance, great strength, enlightenment but it often comes with a price...its not necessarily 'bad' energy, but it is AMORAL energy - Lucifer will break down bariers, the means would justify the end, the purpose would be much more important than the path one would take to get there. It wont necessarily manifest in 'dark' ways but if need be, moral tenets will not stand in the way of its purpose.

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posted March 08, 2014 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Did you mean Leo? Obama was born Aug 4

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The Sun doesn't sit in the known tropical position as Ophiuchus is in the ecliptic and Orion the opposite polarity is also moving in.

The 13 sign dates are the accurate dates for the Natal Sun sign only as the Sun is the only body large enough to be changed while the rest stay in the known position, the Sun dates move by about 15 days until Orion is included in the picture as well, but i don't think that will happen until we've preceded deeper into the Aquarian age.

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