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GemGemGem
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posted June 30, 2009 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does it mean when 2 people have these asteroids tightly conjunct in synastry? They were past loves?

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Lara
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posted June 30, 2009 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have these with my man GemGemGem.. IQ said, if i remember rightly that it was a link of lovers and very binding. Maybe he'll pop by.

her dr valentine conjunct his n karma (0)
his dr valentine trine her n karma (0)
his n valentine trine her dr karma (1)

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posted June 30, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is one of the deepest links of true love for sustaining a long lasting relationship. It is actually a sign of fated true love, sort of a karmic reward.

The draconic aspects shown by Lara are of a true past life love.

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posted June 30, 2009 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
does that mean this love remains in the past life though IQ please?

My man and i are rocky but unable to move forward or end it!!!!

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posted June 30, 2009 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lucia23
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posted June 30, 2009 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ, what orb do you use for contacts between these asteroids, and which aspects?

Minor aspects at a wide orb aren't too meaningful, are they? And do squares (including tight ones) mean your connection is somehow blocked?

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posted June 30, 2009 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Draconic Chart - UNION
conjuncts
Her Natal Chart - VALENTINE
Would this mean he requires a deep bonding to her love during THIS lifeline?

Also, His Natal Chart - Both Asteroid
Her Draconic Chart VALENTINES are
conjunct with
KARMA trineVALENTINE
Would these links mirror IQ's statement: "a sign of fated true love"?

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posted June 30, 2009 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ and Lara, thanks so much for the info!

Lara, can you tell me how this connection "feels" to you, with you being the Valentine person conjunct his Karma?

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"Yes, it is one of the deepest links of true love for sustaining a long lasting relationship. It is actually a sign of fated true love, sort of a karmic reward"
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I love that description IQ!

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posted June 30, 2009 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will try Gem

It's a bit more complicated with this
her dr valentine conjunct his n karma (0)
aspect though because these interlink it.

her dr valentine conjunct his n karma (0)
her dr valentine trine his dr Pluto (2)
her dr valentine square his dr NN (3)
her dr valentine conjunct his dr juno (1)
her dr valentine square his dr sun (0)

also
His dr karma conjunct my n AC (2)
My karma square his AC (0)
DW's of valentine/moon, valentine/NN, valentine/juno, valentine/saturn, valentine/karma. valentine/osiris.

so i feel like what i have with him just has to be!!! I feel like i can't be with anyone else, that no one has ever understood me like he does. He gets me at a soul level i think and l feel like i should be with him for the rest of our lives. I have no idea how he feels about it although he says it's spiritual and i affect him so much it scares him.

I have the feeling that i just want to be with him, wherever it is. When we are apart l sense that my soul isn't being touched. When we are together i can almost feel my soul. Does that make sense?

It's so hard to explain but it's so very total. I am very forgiving toward him too... if we argue it never lasts and the disagreement has no effect on our bond. I get shy around him so much of our relationship everything is silent and sort of subconscious. It was instant too. Not a "omg" but a "mmm" feeling. A belonging feeling.

I definitely think we were married in a past life and that we got very hurt by each other - ripped apart by fate.

Our love is coming through from the past, although it scares him i think.

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posted July 01, 2009 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I have Karma-Valentine dw with my husband - conjunction and opposition.

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posted July 01, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,
The love must continue in this lifeline because we see the natal link to the draconic from both sides. Something else is causing the blocks/rifts. Karma-Valentine are actually the glue of your relationsip.

Hi Lucia,
Wide orbs for asteroids are practically useless. I have always used standard angles, never tested sesquiquadrates [as asked by LoveGoblin], they may or may not work. Standard conj, opp, sq, sextile and quincunx
ALWAYS work.

Hi LoveGoblin,
Valentine opp Karma would initially create a love tension, from fated events due to past life actions where love may have been unfairly refused. Once this tension is resolved, it may cause extreme affection and bonding.

Stellium6,
I agree totally with your analysis.

PeaceAngel,
You and your hubby share a very rare bonding of fated love which could be the envy of many a couple who break up in just 1 - 2 years.

My wife and I have a Valentine-NN double whammy, exact conjuntion with less than 1 degree orb. Without this placement, we may have broken up in less than 6 months, such are the other harsh aspects in our charts that led to hallenging circumstances in the start of the relationship. Somehow or the other, every Moon transit to either Valentine helps solve the most difficult challenge and strengthens the relationship.

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posted July 01, 2009 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow iQ. Thanks for that.

That's so interesting. We also have Spirit-Karma dw conjunctions. Actually we have the following conjunctions: his Venus-my Amor and NN, his Amor-my Mars, his Psyche-my Karma, His IC-my Union, his Destinn-my Moon. We also have vertex trine vertex, as well as numerous others.

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posted July 01, 2009 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PA,

I have valentine/saturn conjunct AC exact trine karma exact in our composite.
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posted July 01, 2009 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ
Thank you.
So what could be blocking it then? It is so up and down


We have an angel/chiron DW

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posted July 01, 2009 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara

Fated to come together for healing - both acting as the wounded and the healers? And this is the purpose of the relationship?

EDIT: The Saturn makes me think that you're stuck with each other until you learn this lesson or balance this karma.

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posted July 01, 2009 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes PA, could be.... i do oscillate between finding him healing and hurting. We could heal each other though and have a very spiritual 'for the greater good' connection, once we are past this chiron side of it.

We have destinn/vertex on composite DC too so i think that this relationship is just so fated!!! I don't want it to be karmic though grrr

amazingly, i am so forgiving of him and any hurt i feel comes from me and my past connections/relationships/connections. I think he is helping me to heal myself maybe?
and i am with him because he is so scared of commitment and i am just allowing him to be with no pressure from me.
Makes sense with the angel/chiron dw no? They are both within 1 degree LOL

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posted July 01, 2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for sharing that Lara. With most of the Valentine connections being on your end, maybe it's your "role" to love him unconditionally while he works out his Karma. Regarding Chiron though, I'm afraid they say Chiron never gets completely healed. I should know, I have it tightly conjunct my venus natally, within 1 degree, and the more I love someone, the heavier and more intense the pain gets inside. They say Chiron never heals, but has great healing ptoential towards others.

I hope you both can work things out and be together in the end because love like yours doesn't come around too often. Not everyone gets to experience that in their lifetime, so it must be cherished, sometimes despite the pain.

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posted July 01, 2009 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG that is EXACTLY what is happening!!! wow.. so l just have to keep on plodding on lol

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posted July 01, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what IQ said

my ANGEL opposes his CHIRON (1)
his ANGEL conjunct my CHIRON (2)
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You both are designated by your Higher Selves to heal the others lingering wounds, and inspire one another to elevate and ascend in your occult spiritual potential.

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posted July 01, 2009 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara, am I misremembering, or are you an Aries Sun?

It sounds like this relationship is taking you to some very deep places, and sometimes that kind of intense soul-level transformation is sort of a glacial process, forcing great patience as well as depth. For a fire-sign woman, that could be sheer agony.

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posted July 01, 2009 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucia,

I'm a taurus sun

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posted July 01, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
- his draco Destinn/Union oppose my natal Destinn (1º01/<1º);
- his draco Destinn conjunct my natal Amor (2º05');
- his draco Valentine oppose my natal Karma (2º37');
- his draco Amor widely conjuncts my natal Karma (3º15');

- my draco Union conjuncts his natal Karma (2º52');
- my draco Karma trine his natal Amor (1º52').

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posted July 01, 2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucia,

Thanks for what you said... it really has helped
I do believe that it is meant to be because

His n destinn trine my n sun (2)
My n destinn conjunct his n venus (3)
My AC opposes his AC (0)
Her NN opposes his IC
His NN quincunx her valentine (1)
Her NN sextile his valentine (1)

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posted July 01, 2009 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Taurus! You'll be okay, then. (I love Taurus women...well, actually I love Aries women too...two of my closest girlfriends are Aries/Taurus combinations.)

The thing is that your love is ALREADY playing out in this lifetime...it sounds like you are feeling it fully...it sounds like it's all the other stuff of life, those hurts and complications, that are getting tangled into the situation.

Can you post your synastry? (Unless you need to protect privacy)

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posted July 01, 2009 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HE IS ON THE OUTSIDE

Thanks Lucia

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