posted December 21, 2009 04:20 AM            

you mentioned the 6 top soulmate pairs.
Whose are these?

1. Eros - Psyche
2. Pluto - Proserpina
3. Zeus - Hera
4. Osiris - Isis
5. Adonis - Inannen

posted December 21, 2009 05:15 AM            

My Top 6 Soulmate Pairs, * indicating power.

***** EROS-PSYCHE
***** Pluto-PROSERPINA
*** ZEUS-HERA
*** Jupiter-JUNO
*** OSIRIS-ISIS
** ADONIS-INNANEN

7th for Tantrik soulmates:
** SIVA-KAALI

posted December 21, 2009 05:50 AM            

PA,
I agree with IQ. Venus and Mars are of course Yin and Yang, but in a very sexual context. They also didn`t end upü together in mythology, they only had an affair.

posted December 21, 2009 06:00 AM            

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They also didn`t end upü together in mythology, they only had an affair.

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Who says that soulmates end up together?

posted December 21, 2009 07:16 AM            

I basically agree with you in terms of planets being the major players.

As a matter of fact I would check the Sun-Moon-pair for the traditional notion of "soulmates" in the sense that the souls, or cores of two people are strongly connected with each other.

And I would look at Venus and Mars for the romantic / sexual Yin - Yang pair.
But having strong Venus-Mars-aspects doesn`t necessarily mean that you are SOULmates, maybe it is rather SEXmates with that pair?

Moon signifies the soul of a person, in the sense of emotional core, so I definitely would look to the Moon-aspects for an emotional bond, and definitely to IC, too.

I also think that is far more telling to analyse a specific dynamic between two people than only saying, they are soulmates; as we all knowt here are soulmates of different kinds.

Yet, I find it helpful to have a system to categorize, so I will not fall too easily prey to my own wishful thinking.

"They touch in time. It doesn't have to be for life."
That is why I start considering the progressed synastry more strongly now.

BTW IQ,
what would you consider as karmic aspects?
Aspects to karma, Saturn, Pluto?

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posted December 21, 2009 07:30 AM              

and then...the karmic part might be showed by the karma,destinn,pluto,saturn,nessus,etc

posted December 21, 2009 07:37 AM            

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I also think that is far more telling to analyse a specific dynamic between two people than only saying, they are soulmates; as we all knowt here are soulmates of different kinds.

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Yes, I guess I just don't understand why it's not enough to understand the dymamic shown by the synastry - why the words "soulmate" or "twinflame" have to mean so much?

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Yet, I find it helpful to have a system to categorize, so I will not fall too easily prey to my own wishful thinking.

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This is where it falls apart for me. The system. From what I can see, the system is built around taking a set of idealised couples who some people consider to be "twinflames or soulmates" based upon their own idealised criteria of what this would entail. So, taking Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman, as an example, because it was highly romanticised and they were life-long partners and some people would use this as their personal criteria for soulmates - when who knows - maybe it isn't the case. How could we possibly know if they were soulmates? Just because they lived together for so long? Many couples stay together out of obligation or any number of reasons. The charts may show long-term involvement or marriage compatability, etc, but I don't believe that they show "twinflames" or that longevity is a reflection of soulmates/twinflames. We don't know the personal lives of the people used or their motivations for being together for so long - or that longevity is really a soulmate indicator. I think that long-term partnerships may make them Earth-mates. That doesn't mean they're soulmates or twinflames.

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BTW IQ,
what would you consider as karmic aspects?
Aspects to karma, Saturn, Pluto?

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posted December 21, 2009 07:46 AM            

you are on a misson today, aren´t you?

"Yes, I guess I just don't understand why it's not enough to understand the dymamic shown by the synastry"
Maybe out of a certain insecurity in one`s own ability as an astrologer?

" - why the words "soulmate" or "twinflame" have to mean so much?"
I like these words, just as I like the word earth-mate. Actually I LOVE it.

But for me the problem is that noone ever has really defined the terms. Or let`s say it is all based on someone`s beliefsystem.
And people may understand these words in different ways.

For me soulmates are people, whose souls are in strong contact with each other. I know this is not a very clearcut definition. But I am still pondering about this one.

" How could we possibly know if they were soulmates?"
that is exactly the problem.
I am inclined to think that maybe all people who influence each other in significant ways are soulmates of some kind.

Which means the stranger in the tube you meet only once and yet you will never forget the way he looked at you and maybe this look made you feel more comfortable with yourself, your appearance, whatever, could be a soulmate to you.

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I know you directed this at IQ, but I would think that Moon would also play a part, particularly in aspect to those planets you mentioned."
*slaps forehead* Of course! sorry I forgot it!

Actually I was just writing to Spanky that I would look at Moon, (Saturn) Pluto and IC for this, and probably to the 12th house, too.

12th house is theo ne before the ASC. ASC is the moment we incarnate. So the 12th house must be before the birth (maybe prenatal phase during pregnancy or a past life).

posted December 21, 2009 07:47 AM              

it is a matter of our own beliefs i guess. it is something that which parts from within,and someone like you,who dont want to categoryze or have a label to put like SM or TF...for you it is hard to comprehend,..how ofr example me or DD started to take part of this system.

for example i believe in reincarnation,and im into LOA.i also am part of those people that believe that we are here for Higher Concerns,and that what is real is just what takes part on a soul level - twin flames and Sm can only be understood from this level of perception.

we all are One,but each one of us have that soul family. within it,there are Sm.and there are diferent types of SM. wehn you meet one of them,there is an awakening at a soul level whick racionatlly it is not explainable.

for those who already have had this kind of meetings,only for us,this system of categorization means something very special.

but for those who didnt had it already,these are just words...i guess...and for you to really take this within,you need to be open to it,from a soul level.

as for other SM we take as examples,thery were couples who already stated they were SM,and talked about parts of their lives that we clearly see as being baesd on profound,transformative,spiritual kind of Love.

posted December 21, 2009 08:57 AM              

i understand what you´re saying..but

it is their own life and we cant really judge them by doing that.afterall ...intimately we all want to encounter and be with the love of our life isnt it?

if their "illusion" contributes for them to see the best in the other person...then let it be.

posted December 21, 2009 10:13 AM            

sorry to correct you here, but I am not part of any system. At least not in the sense that I blindly follow something.

To be honest, I am on the fence about some things.

The first thing is: Can twinflames be seen in the charts?
I just don`t know.
IF astrology reflects life accurately and if twinflames really do exist, then there should be a way to see them in a chart, too.
But I just don`t know.
One problem is to be really certain, objectively certain I mean, what twinflames really are or what is the main characteristic of twinflame-relationships.

Another question I am pondering is the way asteroids are working.
I am sure they do work in some way. But I just wonder can they make up for a lack of basic aspects?
Can they modify a synastry really that much?

I really don`t have clear answers to these questions. Not yet.
But I try remaining open to theories and if i feel they make sense and are consistent, I will test them to find out for myself, if they seem to be working for me.

I also agree with PA, there often is much wishful thinking attached to the way astrology is being used; I know that many people say astrology is an art, but to me it is a science.
The art may come into play with the interpretative skills of the astrologer, even though it is the art of intuition, not the art of fantasy.

If astrology works and reflects our personality and our lives, then it should also provide a way to discern fantasy from fact.

And I disagree on what you said about illusions. In most cases illusions are nothing good, neither for oneself nor for others.
They may be soothing for a time, but eventually you will have to wake up, and who knows what decisions will have been made until then on the basis of illusions!

posted December 21, 2009 12:34 PM            

Astrology is the ONLY objective tool that we have so far to analyze the nature of a relationship.

And planets alone can never do the trick, they can be a guideline surely but mathematical probability requires Asteroids.

Twin Flames know who they are. I dont know about Joanne and Paul Newman but I do know my friends and contacts who have found their twin. They did not need Astrology but for curiosity and Astrology did not disappoint.
Even the 12 Apostles required a miracle or two from Jesus to cement their faith. Astrology does just that, increases the faith in love for Twin Flames.

I was watching "Mr. Destiny" yesterday.
One of the most beautiful movies ever made for the powerful message and clearly explains who the one and only Twin Flames is and who Soulmates are.
The Hero's Twin is ready to NOT live with him, and stays with her Soulmate in the parallel lifeline, giving the unfaithful Soulmate another chance. It takes the other lifeline to convince the Hero the importance of being with the Twin Flame in atleast one lifeline. The Hero is happiest only with the Twin Flame, even thought he had many Soulmates: A wife of 10 years, a mistress, a Class Mate, they are all Soul Mates.
Only one Twin Flame though.

The problem with humanity is that we are not ready to love our Twin Flame and our Twin Flame alone. To have an excuse for this behaviour, we want to say that something truly great does not exist, and we want to explain away our ability to love many Soulmates as meaning there is no Twin Flame.

Well, disbelief need not mean non-existence. The fortunate who know the truth and have found their twin will keep laughing their way to Ascension and Immortal Happiness with their Twin. What is the Earth life for them? The whole Cosmos beckons.

Moral: Do not search for the Twin, just Trust in God and improve your Self, at the right time your Twin will appear.

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