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karena
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posted February 10, 2010 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it a medical asteroid? a love asteroid? or both?

If it can be regarded as a love asteroid,of what degree of significance is it?

Is it prominent in you and your Significant Other's synastry or composite chart?

Is there any celebrity couple you know has strong medea in either synastry or composite chart?

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posted February 10, 2010 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what I have on Medea. Hope it helps!

212 Medea (Greek):

Medea was a devotee of the Goddess Hecate, and one of the great sorceresses of the ancient world. She was the daughter of King Aeetes of Colchis, and the granddaughter of Helios, the sun God. Medea is known in most stories as an enchantress and is often depicted as being a priestess of the Goddess Hecate or a witch.

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Medea Goddess of Ritual and Healing:

Medea, a princess of Colchis, was known as the 'wise one' for her skill of healing and proficiency at using drugs and herbs.

Medea's ancestors were linked to both the Sun and healing long before Apollo became the God associated with these realms.

Helios, Medea's grandfather, was the Sun God of the old order, born a Titan's son.

AUNT CIRCE THE SORCERESS

Her aunt Circe was a sorceress, a magician, herbalist and healer who knew the ancient ways of plants and spices and how to cast spells.

Circe had trained Medea as a young woman in the arts of sorcery, magic and herbalism, teaching her how to mix potions, direct spells and rearrange matter. Medea was also a priestess in the temple of Hecate, honouring the Goddess of the dark night and magic. Hecate guided her instincts.

As a medical intuitive she knew the magical properties of herbs, the appropriate plants for healing, homeopathic tinctures and the process of preparing and administering these remedies in her caldron. As the surrogate of Hecate Medea knew the timing of the lunar cycle and how to draw down the moon when ritual and ceremony was needed.

BETRAYAL

However, Medea was unable to withstand the unholy alliance of the Goddesses Hera and Athena who petitioned Aphrodite to conspire with them and cause the princess to fall in love with Jason.

Medea became enchanted by Eros and fell in love with the Greek hero, who had come to Colchis to retrieve the Golden Fleece. Medea helped Jason achieve this impossible task with the help of special ointments, incantations and timing. Medea enabled Jason, her heroic/lover, to succeed at the trials set before him but in helping Jason be successful Medea had to betray her family and flee her homeland.

On their flight from Colchis Medea visited her aunt Circe who absolved her of her betrayal and eventually Medea arrived at Jason's birthplace, at the foot of Mount Pelion in Thessaly.

MAGIC SKILLS

When she arrived in her new homeland Medea used her great skill at the arts of magic and herbs to rejuvenate Jason's father but also used her sorcery to trick the king's daughters into unintentionally killing their father. To prepare for this procedure Medea disappeared for nine days collecting the special drugs and herbs that she needed.

As the Moon swelled she gave sacrifices to her Goddess Hecate, then used drugs to help Aeson, Jason's father, fall into a deep sleep. She then cut his throat to let the old blood run out, dismembered him, putting the pieces in a caldron with the liquid herbs she had prepared.

Jason's father emerged from the caldron rejuvenated, forty years younger. Medea's spell captured the daughters of Pelias, the wicked uncle of Jason who had usurped his rightful claim to the throne. The daughters also wished to rejuvenate their father and Medea said she would perform the task again. The daughters prepared their father by dismembering him; however, this time Medea did not put the herbs in the caldron and their father never emerged.

MURDERER

Having been responsible for the murder of the king Medea and Jason once again were forced to escape. While fleeing Medea's herbal bag broke open, spilling her drugs seeding the plains of Thessaly with an abundance of healing and magical herbs. As the first sorceress to perform rituals in Thessaly Medea is the seminal figure behind the region being known as 'the land of the witches'. Her myth intimates that she introduced woman's herbal knowledge from Asia Minor into Greece.

When Medea is prominent in a birth chart she reveals the need to explore the ancient feminine traditions of herbalism, witchcraft and magic ritual. Intuitively we know the natural cycle of the body and what it needs to be well.

Medea reminds us to honour the ancient custom of relating to the plant world, the wisdom of nature and the powerful healing and transforming properties embedded in the natural world.

Instinctually the witch is the impulse that draws us to remedies and potions at the right time and is the urge to create ritual and ceremony to evoke the powers of the Goddess.

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posted February 10, 2010 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think in synastry it would be indicating a love-hate scenario; very posessive feelings, obsession and revengeful, if disappointed or betrayed, and then even prone to use the power in abusive ways; Well, medicine can also become a poison.

I haven`t checked it in charts yet.

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posted February 10, 2010 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Healer whose intentions are suspect seems to be the pattern with Medea. Have not checked yet, but can guess a good aspect with Hygiea will bring out more positive healing of Medea, and a bad aspect with Hecate or Circe may bring a desire to cast wicked spells in the native.
Good find Karena!

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posted February 10, 2010 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've medea conj alma in SAG in a Grand trine to my SUN/AC in leo and MC/eris in aires. I've no idé what's mean...

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posted February 10, 2010 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Circe on the GC conjunct Sun, Mercury, Merlin, Reiki and Sekhmet.

I have always been very aware of the power of words and have always tried to refrain from insulting others or even curse them in my mind.

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posted February 10, 2010 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have Circe on the GC conjunct Sun, Mercury, Merlin, Reiki and Sekhmet.
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Even an accidental curse can be very damaging! Kudos for your self control
But think of the power your verbal blessings will have too. And Self Affirmations will be amzingly effective.

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posted February 10, 2010 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I even have worked on this kind of self control since I was a child, which seemed weird or odd to my peers. Even in elementary school I stood out because of my lack of cursing in my language (of course that was very much due to my mother´s education, too, who taught me quite early that words have much power and can cause great damage; her Mercury is in Scorpio and her Scorpio-Sun is conjunct Horus).

And as you said I have tried using thoughts as well as words in a positive way.

But sometimes it really takes all my Selfcontrol (My Draco Hekate and Draco Lilith are also conjunct my tropical Circe on the GC).

BTW Meda is on 1 Sagittarius in 12th house conjunct Amor on 2 Sagittarius.

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posted February 10, 2010 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tigerlily- Thanks very much for your detailed useful information on Medea. I have Medea sitting right on IC natally,and I'm really inclined to have interest in herbalism & mysterious things, including astrology

DD- I'm really curious about what Medea indicates in synastry or composite.Just hours ago I found that the composite chart of Paul Newman & Joanne Woodward has Medea rightly conj. & parallel MC, conj.& parallel solstice moon and oppose chiron.----Intense feeling or healing power?

Anyway, I think medea resonates with scopio/pluto/transforming & rebirth energy. I know of two pairs of deeply loving couple. One pair has Sun-Mercury-Venus-Psyche-Medea-Lova conjunction in Composite; the other has tight Medea-Solstice Venus conjunction in Composite. Both are public figures; both fell in love when the males already married; both suffered the public attack from ex-wives and great pressure from public opinion. They both managed to be together in the end,one pair of them changing their career entirely & successfully, and they both have rebuilt their reputation.

I wonder if this has something to do with Medea? (have to betray the original family /transformation and rebirth)

iQ- It indeed seems more like a medical asteroid, but for personal reasons I really hope it is a love asteroid, signifying intense feeling

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posted February 10, 2010 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thought:

Maybe it is only when Medea is strongly aspected to love planets/asteroids that its extreme love/hate side would emerge?

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posted February 10, 2010 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly,I've just found the Duke/Duchess of Windsor have their Composite Medea tightly conj & parallel their Composite Venus/Amor conjunction!

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posted February 10, 2010 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooooo I have Medea conjunct NN by 1

Also I don't know how great Medea would be if it were interpreted romantically. In the play she is betrayed by Jason so she kills their children.

Nice.

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posted February 10, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would be interesting to see synastries who have an aspect between Medea and Jason.

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posted February 10, 2010 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'VE CHECKED OUT BETWEEN MY EXHUSBAND AND ME(15 YEARS MIRRAGE).
His medea conj my merk/uran/kaali
His medea square my
My DR medea/alma conj his medea
My medea/alma square his Sun
My DR medea/alma opp his Sun


Maybe it give an answer on a strong relationship between my exhusband and me. We also have so strong saturn bond between each other. Yes,,, I can say when I think about it how our relationship feels. It was strong love and hate. It feels like to be in a prisoner. I couldn't leave but I did..


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posted February 10, 2010 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
popcorn, my mom's name is helena

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posted February 10, 2010 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A short-cut for MEDEA is female jealousy, revengefulness, manipulation and being seen as a scape-goat by others ("falling from grace"). Ancient Greek author Euripides (who lived around 5 bc) was "at home" with the ancient Greek myths, because he was a cotemporary citizen when people actually believed in these Gods like today we may "believe" in polititians or actors. Euripides wrote a theatre play (a tragedy) on Medea. So did the Roman author Seneca 500 years later.

***EDIT: She has some LILITH-traits as well, their myths are similar in many ways... I only think that "Lilith" is purer, more determinded, more proud in a way - whereas the "Medea"-Myth has some desperate and much more aggressive feel about it ... especially: DESPERATE***

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posted February 10, 2010 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not jealousy at all. Maybe that's explains because I've a grandtrine from medea/alma. Medea/alma also in aspect in YOD. I've also medea/alma in square to pluto...... but no no thats not in my nature to be jealous. .

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posted February 11, 2010 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
POPCORN: Sorry, this wasn't about you, specifically. Everybody has got a MEDEA somewhere in his/her chart ... And: I just don't like that approach that we always look for the "positive/soothing" aspects of asteroids only ... There ARE some "critical" asteroids around as well - and this is fine, because they do point out to some difficult aspects whe all have to manage in some way. Medea is not about "jealousy" alone - I wrote that this is only a "short cut". I see Medea as a dark, brooding, tense female energy. And: Concerning your own placements and your Ex-husband's ... look at that Medea-Moon-Sun-connections ... It could make sense! That rather dark "on-off-quality" you described ...

The problem is: When people want to find out somehting about their relationship with someone they always seek out the POSITIVE/supportive factors only... this is soooo short-sighted. It is natural, that everyone would find just as many "negative"/stressful aspects at the same time - always. We just tend to ... look at the "bright side" only. I do believe that it's worthwile to study the stressful potential always as well! Everything in astrology is just about POTENTIALS - in my opinion.

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posted February 11, 2010 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alvarella,

I very much agree with you.

BTW let`s not forget that Jason acted like a real scumbag.
I mean he really took advantage of her, misused her and then when he didn´t need her anymore wanted to get rid of her.

So, I wonder if Medea-Jason aspects specifically could point to an unrequited or misused passion (Medea), that through deception or even just disappointment, turns into obsessive stalkerish behaviour?


And while we are at it, maybe Ophelia could indicate ill-fated love, too? Maybe unrequited? For the Ophelia person?

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posted February 11, 2010 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alvarella. It's so interesting. I don't take it personal. I try to see where I can find medea in my self. The dark side. For me it's more easy to see how it works in synastry if I can feel it and know how it works in my self.

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posted February 11, 2010 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD. Medea-Jason aspects specifically could point to an unrequited or misused passion and turns into obsessive stalkerish behaviour. That's intresting...

How do you think it works when it's in positiv aspect to each other or in DW in synastry?

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posted February 11, 2010 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there is any aspect between Jason and Medea, especially in a DW, the myth could get triggered or being replayed in a relationship context.
With smooth aspects it would hopefully not be as dramatic or tragic though.

but I am just thinking aloud here.

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posted February 11, 2010 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD. What do you think about strong love in relationship from medea when medea are strong in synastry?
Medea mytology describe her despair so clear. I can really feel her feelings and the desperation she feel but I can not understand the anger she feel who did her to a murderer and killed her own children.

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posted February 11, 2010 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She`s an obsessive character. And it is clearly a psychological disorder, so it is probably good you can`t relate to her.

We all know how it feels to love and want to do anything for the one we love and know how much a lost love can hurt.
BUT we have some moral principles that will us keeping from hurting other people.

Just think about it, in order to maintain her love to Jason she murdered parts of her family (I think her brother) even back in her home country!

I can relate to her despair, yes, but she clearly goes too far in her rage and despair and pain.
Even though of course she was being unfairly treated, it is no excuse for committing murder!

Actually I wouldn´t like to find too many Medea aspects in synastry; obsession can get really dangerous. It doesn´t look healthy to me.

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BTW I don`t think she really loved Jason, or at least her love was very selfish itself, too.
To love someone also means that you want the other person to be happy, even if it is without you or me.
maybe Medea is the opposite of the unconditional love Amor represents, a very conditional love, that can turn to hate, when disappointed. While amor will go on loving the other person even then.

how weird, that I have Medea and amor nearly exactly conjunct. lol

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posted February 11, 2010 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have alma in conj medea so I think it makes it more easy. Now I'm not sure about how alma in conj works but i think it's good. And in grand trine.I also have the conj in square to my pluto and that could be the darker and the danger side in me to my self.

My exhusband and me. I must say the most of the time we be in love to each other. And he still are the biggest love in my life up to now. I can't find any danger between him and me even if I find the strong medea connection.

But but...except the time when I tried to leave before I really did it, I was afraid.

His medea conj my merk/uran/kaali
His medea square my moon
His medea opp my DR moon
His medea square my DR kaali/merk/uran
His medea trine my N DNA/osiris/DR sun/AC

My medea/alma conj his N saturn
My DR medea/alma conj his medea
My medea/alma square his Sun
My DR medea/alma opp his Sun

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