posted December 30, 2008 08:42 PM              

I just took a closer look at my own Name-asteroid, where it is placed in my natal chart, how it is aspected. I got the idea that maybe ... this could give a clue on how my own (subconscious) idea of my SELF is working, how I perceive the idea of "myself". Your personal name is something like a "setcard" to your life, the name people are calling you by, etc. - and I wonder, how this might be mirrored back to me (my soul) and how this is represented in my natal chart. I also was trying to find out on how big the difference is between my SUN-placement and my name-asteroid-placements, the contraditicons etc.

Here are my placements:

My Sun is in 23° Cancer in my 8th, this is the Sabian Symbol (source: http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm)
PHASE 113 (CANCER 23°): THE MEETING OF A LITERARY SOCIETY.

KEYNOTE: An objective and critical approach to the common factors in our culture and to its psychological problems.

The poets, novelists and critics of a society represent the endeavor by especially sensitive and intellectually gifted individuals to give form and meaning to the most characteristic situations and interpersonal relationships of their society and culture. They mirror society and at the same time influence and guide its development. It is their function to discuss the significance of what is, and to image what might be. They are both barometers and thermostats, reflectors and projectors of as yet mostly unconscious images.

With this third stage we reach the level of INTELLECTUALIZATION. Here the individual operates both as an objective mind and an emotional participant in the events and hopes of his day. He makes concrete what to most people may be only a subconscious aspiration or urge.

My Name-asteroid is in 23° Librain 11th, Sabian Symbol:
PHASE 203 (LIBRA 23°): CHANTICLEER'S VOICE HERALDS SUNRISE.

KEYNOTE: A creative and joyous response to life processes.

The **** that crows as the first coloring of dawn appears at the eastern horizon is a beautiful symbol of the ability, demonstrated by all pioneers and cosmically attuned individuals, to give voice to what is as yet unmanifested, but is on the way to manifestation. At the ego level, chanticleer may feel that he makes the sun rise; but someday he will learn through painful experiences that to create is only to reveal what essentially is. It is the vivid recognition of the as-yet-unknown in the known.

This third stage symbol should make us think afresh about issues we too often take for granted. At every "sunrise" there are a few isolated witnesses that herald the coming of a new day. What is at stake here is the individual's capacity of RESPONSE TO LIFE'S RENEWALS — renewals which are cyclic, predictable, yet always new, always creative.

So somehow ... my Sun-placement is "behind" my Name-asetroid-placement (3 signs behind in Zodiacal wheel). Also, my Sun is in 8th - still a need for silent brooding. But my Name-asetroid (outer appearance and its reflection) is in jovial and social 11th house, much more outgoing. The Sabian Symbol for my Name-asetroid speaks about "Life's renewals" - this is something which is mirrored in my 8th-house-Sun-placement again... (8th: house of transformation). Both Sun and Name-asetroid are exactly squaring each other ...

Here are the complete aspects to my own Name-asteroid in my natal chart (orbs 0-2):

NAME-asteroid

cj. ASC/MC
cj. Neptune/MC
cj. Union
cj. Beneficial Change

sextile Moon
sextile BM Lilith
sextile Solidarity
sextile Hybris
sextile Fame
sextile Honour
sextile Cheshirecat
sextile draco ASC
sextile draco Mars
sextile draco Neptune

trine Samadhi (similar to "Union")
trine Discord
trine draco Psyche
trine draco DSC

square Sun
square Sappho
square Venusia
square Guinevere
square Bondage
square Horus
square Genius
square Wisdom
square draco Valentine

opposite Chaos

I am buffled about the many draco-placement-contacts.

What are your ideas about your own Name-asteroid-placements? Let's share some thoughts on this ...;-)

posted December 30, 2008 09:20 PM            

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I am buffled about the many draco-placement-contacts.

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posted December 30, 2008 10:39 PM            

Sabian:

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A Teacher Gives New Symbolic Forms To Traditional Images

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posted December 30, 2008 11:52 PM              

Veronika is conjunct my Libra MC, which means it opposes my Aries IC and Mars, however is sextile Mercury which makes sense I've got a lot of Mercury influence, and it also squares my Neptune. So I speculate that I have identity issues (Neptune 1st) with accepting my Neptunian side, because most don't see, and my career may clash with my mystical side, hopefully this won't happen, I guess I'll just have to try to incorporate my Mystical side to others more?

My Sabian symbol:

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PHASE 185 (LIBRA 5°): A MAN REVEALING TO HIS STUDENTS THE FOUNDATION OF AN INNER KNOWLEDGE UPON WHICH A "NEW WORLD" COULD BE BUILT.

KEYNOTE: The necessity for the youthful spirits to learn from a Teacher who through his long experience has been able to reach solid and illuminating truths, i.e. "seed ideas."

An old saying is just as valid today as ever: When the pupil is ready, the Master appears. But he may appear in many disguises. What matters is not the Master, but the Mastery he "re-veals." It is veiled in his person. It has to be contacted through his person, rather than in his person. Devotion to a guru may be the way, but sooner or later it should be transmuted into reverence: the truth within the disciple saluting in true humility the truth in the Teacher.

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posted December 31, 2008 06:57 AM            

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Important note: The Sabian symbol is attributed to the next full degree after a particular horoscope factor - for example, the appropriate symbol for a planet at 16 degrees and 1 minute of Aries is 17 degrees Aries. ]http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Sabian_Symbols

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my name asteroid is conjunct Sedna, Chiron, Mercury and asteroids Jung, Hypnos and Muse in the 3rd.

the Sabian Symbol for Taurus 5 is: 'A youthful widow, fresh and soul-cleansed from grief, kneels at a grave to receive the secret of eternal life.' - Revelation of meaning behind fleeting appearances. Restless quest for understanding. Birth from illusion into reality.

posted December 31, 2008 07:45 AM            

Having spent considerable time working with mine, and using them in practically every chart for the last few years; the sabian for my FN describes it quite well. I was 'on the fence' about the accuracy of sabians until I read a Lunar Node interp by Michael Lutin that used the exact same phrase as my FN asteroid sabian symbol -10 Gemini->

KEYNOTE: A superior ability to challenge nature and play with danger.

Through the controlled use of mental powers man is able to challenge the most basic force in nature: gravitation. He enjoys playing with it as a lion tamer with his violent animals. But what he challenges is within himself as well as outside. Gravitation is the universal binding force of the material world. By challenging it man prepares himself to pierce beyond the physical and to reach higher realms of existence. He may lose the struggle, but that prospect makes the effort more exciting. He might gain "immortality."

This is the final stage of the fourteenth sequence. The symbol for it has a strong sense of finality. No possibility of half measures exist. Man is committed irrevocably to success or failure — at least as a conscious and self-reliant mind. The alternatives are clear-cut. One may describe it as MIND vs. MATTER, or as Man's will against the fate that gravitation so aptly symbolizes.

My Last name is interesting as well not only for the sabien talking about the 'health of children' it is also exactly conj Vertex - and opposing POF.

KEYNOTE: The responsibility of society to ensure the welfare and total health of the new generation.

The socio-cultural process must look to the future as well as to the past. It has created conditions which may harm the children who will carry forward its work, and it must try to repair these negative conditions through love as well as through physical care. In personal life, the individual should take great care of his fresh intuitions and his dreams of future growth. They are often fragile developments which the pressures of everyday life can easily distort or destroy.

This is the last stage of Scene Nineteen, which began with a powerful claim for socio-political power. The exercise of such a power can indeed produce social conditions which endanger the healthy and spiritual unfoldment of a community, and especially of its children. There is therefore constant need for TENDER CARE as well as skill to neutralize the destructive tensions of social living.

FN aspects:
• conj Valentine
• Sextile Eris, Amour, Pallas, Lust, Transpluto
• SSquare- Strong
• Square Karma
• Trine- Adonis, Pholus

The aspect pattern that shows me the way towards the light of love is the triangle created by Pholus, FN-Valentine to~ Pallas, Amour, Eris. Relinquishing self love to the higher ideal of universal love. With judgment [Pallas] healing fortitude [Pholus, Transpluto] and aggressive conviction [Eris, strong, ]

posted December 31, 2008 08:17 AM            

[second LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL

PHASE 36 (TAURUS 6°): CANTILEVER BRIDGE ACROSS A DEEP GORGE.

KEYNOTE: The conquest of separativeness through group-cooperation.

The person who has suffered deprivation and loneliness can give new substance to his or her emotional life by participating in a collective project. All great evolutionary challenges imply the overcoming of basic difficulties. A step ahead must be taken, yet an abyss confronts evolving man. It is no longer a personal Void - an "open grave" - but a chasm that is an integral part of the "land" upon which man's evolution must proceed. A link must be built through the power of the collective mind of the group or of the community at large, on the basis of the legacy of the past, to make a bridge over the canyon.

This is the first stage of the eighth five-fold process of "Substantiation." The man-made bridge built with collective skill gives substance to and demonstrates man's capacity to CONQUER OBSTACLES and to achieve evolutionary continuity as well as expansion in space.
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*edit~ Not a CANTILEVER BRIDGE, but an image to go with Alvarella's quest. {photo is from the movie- Last of The Mohicans)

posted December 31, 2008 09:48 AM              

Sabyan:

Gemini 5: A radical magazine or publication, asking for action, displays a sensational front page.

posted December 31, 2008 10:03 AM            

Eg, Sabian for 5 degrees Aries is "A Triangle With Wings".

The other information with the phases, etc, is not part of the Sabian Symbols. That information is interpretation offered by someone else.

posted December 31, 2008 10:15 AM              

MISSNEPTUNE: They have a long list of all known asteroids at astro.com, click this: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm
Maybe your own first or last name is included there - this would be your "name asteroid". In case that there is no asteroid carrying your name (yet;-)) just search for your usual nickname maybe ... or some other title that you can identify with in a way...

PERI & IDO & PEACEANGEL: Thanks for giving that link to Astrowiki - dealing with the Sabian Symbols. To be honest, this is the first time that I've heard/read about that theory - that one should not look at the actual, but at the next (full) degree .. This is contradictory to ALL the numerologic factors attached to astrology - isn't it? There are such strong links to cabbalistic numerologicals factors, etc... Following this (new) theory, how should someone deal with the (famous, strong) 29° for instance? Say, you have a natal planet or angle placed at 29.44° of a sign ... Actually, it would be "closer" to 0° of the next sign already ... But this would give it a whole new meaning - because 0°dg of the next sign also has a very strong impact, in traditional astrology. Besides: all the numerological/"cabbalistic" value would be affected, if you shifted the degrees...! To be honest: I don't follow this Sabian Symbol-theory given there - neither is explained why I should, no explanation given - nor did I read about this anywhere else...

NODE: What a gorgeous picture - thanks a lot! ;-)

I got another idea and will work on this: I'm gonna make up a persona-chart on my Name-asteroid - in order to understand more about the basic nature of "my name" and my idea about it - and to see, which aspects this "name"-persona makes to my whole natal chart. So ... I'll be back soon.;-) Maybe someone wants to join in doing this?

posted December 31, 2008 10:55 AM              

But ... another BUT: Wouldn't the clue be much, much easier by just ratin the 30° given in these Sabian-lists as the 0° degree of the next sign???? And then, all the other/following degrees stay as they are???

Example: Sabian 30° Taurus would just switch to 0° Gemini ... and the following Gemini-degress would stay as they are?

Actually, that's how I worked with these lists.

posted December 31, 2008 11:17 AM              

then it´s WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL

Pursuit of material and spiritual wealth - true