posted September 25, 2010 02:01 PM            

I have natal Karma conjunct asteroid Nemesis: hellraiser or raiser of hell, hmm, food for the thought, innit?

Cool thread, btw, IQ says Karma is a BIG DEAL!

posted September 25, 2010 05:34 PM              

i never use to look at kiron,and i think i never looked at our sabian in composite either.but it makes perfect sense to see it,seeing the way you analyzed its importance.

our C Kiron is in the 10th house in 0 Gemini cj Victoria 29 Taurus.

saturn is in the 3rd cj Pluto 26Libra.

Sabian Kiron:

"A GLASS-BOTTOMED BOAT REVEALS UNDER-SEA WONDERS AND PANORAMAS"

this has to do with creating barriers of distance,in order not to get too involved.and also has do do with Clairvoyance. Being able to connect with the collective unconscious. Spiritual gifts that enlarge one's perspective.

Sabyan Saturn and Pluto

" AN AIRPLANE SAILS, HIGH IN THE BRIGHT CLEAR SKY "

Transcending difficulties. Optimism that knows no bounds. Having a bird's eye view of things. Airplanes, birds, flight.
The Caution: Difficulty in seeing the true details of what's going on. Escape from reality

Kiron trins sun/moon/mars.Oposes Uranus/Jup and squares Ascendant.

what do you feel it shows please?

my 6th sense tells me that with kiron in 10th and saturn/pluto in 3rd:

The Wound has to do with Ego/status/Father Figure/authority issues...

saturn with pluto shows probably lessons to be learned relating to plutonian energies?power control,manipulation,intensity?being in the 3rd...with siblings?relating to communication or our surroundings?

posted September 26, 2010 11:32 AM            

The 10th house is the most elevated point in our charts, whatever planets there are the most visible to others. It's how we are viewed publicly, the image we want to present to the world. It's what we want to be respected and admired for.

I know he is frustrated about his job. He feels that he does a large portion of the work, but others receive all the accolades, the respect from the boss.

You also are at a point where you want a respected career. Going back to school, and putting the focus on something you really want to do, something for you. Not working in your parents store.

So both of you are experiencing a wound as far as your career goes, something that gives you both a greater sense of self.

Saturn in the 3rd says (to me) difficulty with siblings. But also communication. There might also be a period where you two don't openly discuss issues that are happening between you, for fear of "rocking the boat", or creating a separation, so you just keep quiet instead of being honest with each other.

Pluto in the 3rd is interesting. I was looking at Skymates, by Steve and Jodie Forrest. They said:

Underlying confrontive surface behaviors, there is a wound. Third house deals with not only communication, but also perception. These two are wounded here. We view that wound as karmic, that is, leftover damage inside them from a previous lifetime together in the reincarnational sense. We can see that in a prior lifetime together, this couple experienced some trauma connected with how they viewed the world, what they said, and the reactions of others to them. A detailed analysis of their composite South Node will open up the story for us, but just seeing this Plutonian configuration is enough to lead us to speculate that their mouths got them into a lot of trouble. They almost certainly crossed swords with the "official version" of reality. Maybe that involved a prior life in which they were connected with a religion deemed heretical. Maybe they were siblings in a family headed by a tyrant, and rather than keeping silence, they spoke up and were punished.

In the past, they were punished for speaking what they perceived as the truth. This has led to a fear of repeating that pattern.

The deep healing for these two with composite Pluto in the house of language is, gently and slowly, to move to a place in their relationship where they trust each other enough to lay scary truths on the table.

Diandra, you already know who the tyrant was in your prior life with John. His brother is already playing a huge role in your relationship.

Well, look at it this way. Everyone has at least one tyrant in the family they have to deal with! My ex mother in law was truly, "The Wicked Witch of the West" (from the Wizard of Oz). I had to deal with her for 25 years, until my divorce.

posted September 26, 2010 11:35 AM              

My n karma is cj exact my juno and opposing exact my sun.

posted September 26, 2010 12:54 PM            

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It is exactly trine my natal Venus at 29 Leo.

I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing because I don't feel the guy I net recently can surely be good karma.

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posted September 26, 2010 01:20 PM              

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I think that with this square, it completes that particular lesson.

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My tea went up my nose when i read that VIG !!
Yeah, i sincerely hope so lol I've had enough of harsh lessons. They haven't stopped since i was 1 day old.

The last time karma was squaring my chiron was the last time i saw or spoke to my mother

The time before that was June 1988 - life was pretty good then i think

posted September 26, 2010 01:28 PM              

it feels to me that all that you spoke ...is acutely accurate!definitely!

it is indeed right that we feel wounded in the 10th matters...

and the part of difficulty with siblings...yup we both know who we are talking about...in this.that description that you found makes me feel very strange...i always felt thst in the Past i was someone rebellious,i wanted to show the "Truth",i and JOhn might indeed have been involved with something/groups that were "ahead of times" perhaps...on what concerns the Mind/how we viewed the World ( and not what others wanted us to live).

probably i also transported that into my present Life.as you know im also very fond of speaking waht i feel/think ( only in the past year or so)cause im learning to be more assertive and showing more of Who I really Am.

perhaps that is why i also feel so frustrated when im near JOhnīs brother?he still behaves as a tyrant,not one who kills this time,but one who acts through pshicological/manipulation games..which for me is much worse kind of wound/Trauma.

this is making perfect sense...John doenst show himself/his truth when he is around C. he just stays quiet,almost with fear that if he speaks more,something very bad would happen.

makes me puzzled cause i know how John is determinated and persistent in Life..DEEP inside JOhn still is manipulated very easily due to the family connection/morally.

VIG

i only can imagine what you passed through...Jesus!

JOhn with his saturn/pluto in 4th is showing that his lessons are to learn about family boundaries this lifetime,and im sure that at least in his saturn return he will see what he has to see,and make the decisions best for his own happiness.

i wanted to tell you something

posted September 26, 2010 01:33 PM              

we went there cause of my twin sisterīs latest bad health,but in the end he asked me to spread the cards.

do you know what came out???

Victory in my relationship.
A "black" soul person side by side with JOhn - hurting him - figure who it is???His brother. my Mom+s friend said that we tries to,but he wont manage to get us apart,me and JOhn,cause he has a black heart,one who only feels good with other+s pain and suffering.

But it appears - us- a Great great Love.united very strongly.

appears a baby in our future.

appears that we are gonna move houses!not to where JOhn lives,not near his brother!!!

and with that moving,a lot of money appears too!

i imediattly reminded of what you said Vig...that John this year/next will make the Big decision....to where to go,,and a baby appearing...

isnt that wonderful?

this all goes in the same thing that my eldest sister saw too!she also puts tarot.

posted September 26, 2010 01:50 PM            

one day I managed to listen to "Poison" 7 times in a row!
It really is a bit like a poison or drug.

And sometimes when this feeling from underneath is breaking up, that intense energy, I NEED to listen to exactly that song. It`s like I can pour all that overflooding energy / intensity into it and that is really the only thing that can calm me in such moments.

posted September 26, 2010 05:20 PM            

to you Belgz

posted September 27, 2010 08:25 AM            

seems to me karma's orbit is only about 4 years, so it would square any one point every other year, wouldn't it? and conj/oppose in the other 2 of 4 years? so this is a really frequent occurence..?

posted June 13, 2011 01:41 PM            

Right now T Karma just crossed over my sun squaring it's natal position.....

posted June 13, 2011 09:51 PM            

I'm so sorry to hear that.. You must be undergoing treatment - how are you feeling now? I hope they're able to get you to a full recovery soon.

Sunshine