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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trying to feel out Pholus. I will research it.now.

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posted June 14, 2011 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with a conjunction to moon by less then 2 degrees trine venus by over 2 degrees, trine vertex by less than 4, square mars perfectly and square rising by a little more than a degree and I guess it is pretty strong.

Trine nessus by 5 degrees too

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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you know anything about Pholus ,Carl?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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posted June 14, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first astrological ephemeris of Pholus was published in 1994 by astrologer Zane B Stein. Zane said of Pholus in that publication that "there does seem to be an element of selflessness in his actions...of involving the self in something to the point of losing the self in the process.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

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posted June 14, 2011 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pholus has the property of release from situations, thus opening to new possibilities, and emerging into new states of existence. It is the Centaur of fast-moving changes, or rapid transformations, typically initiated by one's own action. Something as simple as curiosity or a chance encounter may start the chain of events. One quality of Pholus experience is, "I would never have done that if I knew what I was getting into," sometimes with the added idea, "but I'm glad I did." A small gesture that leads to something large, a minor project that becomes one's life work, an experiment that takes on a life of its own, leading to many developments, all are properties of Pholus.

Pholus, von Heeren adds, is "the catalyst and provider for a landslide-like change (in history for example) and turning points," adding, "Pholus exaggerates energies in their raw state. Pholus is an emphasizer." In some cases, Pholus activity represents or instigates situations in which something gets out and you cannot get it back in, such as when riots begin and the government cannot stop them, or you make one change and it cascades into a series of other developments. This same quality also gives Phlous experiences the quality of a leap to a new level

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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Another quality of Pholus is anything involving three generations, which relates to its mythology. Pholus was the keeper of a cask of wine given to him by Dionysys, which he had kept three generations, and which was the collective property of all the Centaurs. Wherever there is a question within an astrology counseling situation that may be multigenerational, no matter what the subject, the position of Pholus in the natal chart or transits at the time can offer insight and assistance. Look for the influence of ancestors, issues and gripes to be taken up with ancestors, and one's relationship to predecessors of any kind. Pholus, in this respect, addresses issues that belong to the entire tribe, collective psychological property, and group responses to situations. Pholus has a relationship to addictions and the healing of addictions, as well as their causes and consequences, which often have multigenerational and group causes and effects that may or may not include the actual substance itself, but rather the effects of being raised under its influence, attitudes toward the substance, or attitudes passed from a grandparent

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posted June 14, 2011 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

It was the destiny of both centaurs Chiron and Pholus - and many other centaurs, too - to be killed by the poisonous arrows of Hercules. This clearly shows in their astrological significance - all other planetary gods and goddessess are immortal, but the centuars are not. So the specific mythology of the centaurs involves death and transformation - the end of an old life and the beginning of a new and higher life.

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The centaur himself can be understood as a symbol for the hybrid position of human beings between the animal kingdom and the gods, or between animal impulse and reason. The death of a centaur, then, represent the release from this tension, and the transformation of what is subconscious and impulsive into understanding and consciousness. Hercules is the hero who kills the centaurs, half intentionally and half unintentionally. He symbolizes individuality striving for consciousness.....

....Pholus on the other hand, moves to and from Saturn and Neptune, and his average solar distance lies near Uranus. He dies suddenly. It is not a lengthy process and is relatively painless. Afterwwards, his situation is a completely different one. Either he had found a new perspective or he finds himself in a catastrophe. As for the third centaur, 1993 HA2, who will perhaps be named Nessus, and is the "Pluto key", death does not come so easily. He is stabbed in the heart, experiencing tremendous pain, and is left with feelings of bitterness and revenge......

In other words, Pholus symbolizes parts of our nature from which we are still cut off and with which we try to make contact. The parts in question may be areas that connot be unfolded without problems, or, on the other hand, they may concern an area where we try to, an in time do, make great progress. A combination of Pholus and Mercury, for example, can indicat high precision and almost magical power in a person's mercurial abilities, or, to the contrary, dyslexia and dyscalculia.....

....So Pholus is in a state of tension between self-destruction and the deepening of his own character by additional experiences. The pholic person treads the narrow path of great and seemingly easy success with the risk of catastrophic slips. Whatever actually happens, the person alters. She or he has left the past behind, has cast off an old skin (the Greek word pholis means "scale"), has passed a rocky ledge, and has either quite unexpectedly found a wonderful plateau or stumbled over the edge into the precipice.....

Instead of blindness, Pholus sometimes gives visionary power. In the myth he is a haruspex - he reads from the entrails of sacrifical animals. People with Pholus at the IC are often very inspired, and are sometimes spiritual channels or seers. Yet in the myths, the seer is often blind. It is not easy to see the future and at the same time be aware of reality..

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posted June 14, 2011 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So--it is an out with the old--in with the new sense.
It is a taking raw materials and building something entirely different, transformation
However,the death was not painful so it must be different than Pluto then.
Maybe,it is a smoother and easier transformation.

It has to do with addictions,the effects of addictions on family members and the past generations which may have had addictions.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 14, 2011 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pholus - the lid comes off

Pholus was discovered in 1992 [v], and its process seems to be one where a small event sets off a chain reaction, either inwardly or externally, in terms of consequences. In the Greek mythology, Pholus was the keeper of the sacred jar of wine of Dionysus, god of ecstasy, whose rites were often characterised drunkenness and chaos, and which sometimes culminated in violence. So a Pholus process can feel like things getting out of control. Ultimately this is a healing, but the process can be taxing until things settle down. Which they always do! In the meantime, it is wise to take only essential actions and to let the flood tide subside. The jar of Pholus was not supposed to be opened for four generations, and so the astrological Pholus often highlights ancestral processes, whether known or unknown to us, which are releasing. This is why bearing witness is important: we are called to clarify our own ancestral lineage by our healing attitude to it. With Pholus, however, actions may precipitate quickly and then the consequences take a while to resolve. Sometimes there are specific things to do, like forgiveness work, or putting flowers on a grave. But often it is simply to inwardly acknowledge the suffering of those who went before us, and to recognise ‘the pity of it’ [vi]. Thus we step out of the loop. Pholus will move from Scorpio to Sagittarius during 2005, and release held emotion into the process of discovering meaning in our experience.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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