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Ami Anne
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posted September 03, 2011 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know?

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posted September 03, 2011 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure Ami but I'll keep my eyes open.

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posted September 03, 2011 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I'm not sure Ami but I'll keep my eyes open.

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posted September 04, 2011 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a good question. Perhaps we should check out Hitler's chart see if it gives us a hint .

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posted September 04, 2011 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think iQ may cover people with those type of aspects in their charts on his site, if I remember correctly.

It was from reading them that I ceremoniously freaked out about Lucifer asteroid!

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posted September 04, 2011 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer is pride,I think.
You have to try to digest the story to get the kernel of truth out of it.
Lucifer's story was one of pride,imo.

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posted September 05, 2011 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Lucifer isn't sadism, but you might want to check the charts of sexual sadistic serial killers (Venus conjunct Mars is over-represented I know that but...),

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posted September 05, 2011 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 05, 2011 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nightingale:
Yeah, Lucifer isn't sadism, but you might want to check the charts of sexual sadistic serial killers (Venus conjunct Mars is over-represented I know that but...),


Interesting, Night!
Can you share anything else?

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posted September 05, 2011 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Magi Society swear Sedna indicates all sorts of evil and destruction. I haven't investigated but it might be worth looking into for any links between it and personal planets in known-evil doers like the Ken and Barbie killers, etc

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posted September 05, 2011 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nightingale:
The Magi Society swear Sedna indicates all sorts of evil and destruction. I haven't investigated but it might be worth looking into for any links between it and personal planets in known-evil doers like the Ken and Barbie killers, etc

Interesting about Sedna. I have wanted to look in to that one!

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posted September 05, 2011 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You must post your findings if you do, I'd be very interested

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posted September 05, 2011 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are a aware what huge orbit Sedna has, right?

So reasonably one needs to stick to orbs of 00°00 - 00°05; at least that is what I remember Glaucus suggested.

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posted September 05, 2011 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VEnus/Mars makes sense for sexual perprators, as it usually heightens the sex-drive.

On its own it`s clearly not enough. You n eed to have some other constellations t hat indicate aggressiveness/ violence.

Probably there also will be simultaneous constellation that indicate a block of compassion / emotional block as well as explosive energetic aspects.

Something like Moon-opposite-Saturn and simultaneously Mars conjunct Uranus in 5th house squaring Pluto in 8th house.

But even then we cannot be sure the people will really be sadistic (Pluto-aspects might be a bit predominant here) or if they will manifest it in healthier ways.

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posted September 05, 2011 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
VEnus/Mars makes sense for sexual perprators, as it usually heightens the sex-drive.

On its own it`s clearly not enough. You n eed to have some other constellations t hat indicate aggressiveness/ violence.

Probably there also will be simultaneous constellation that indicate a block of compassion / emotional block as well as explosive energetic aspects.

Something like Moon-opposite-Saturn and simultaneously Mars conjunct Uranus in 5th house squaring Pluto in 8th house.

But even then we cannot be sure the people will really be sadistic (Pluto-aspects might be a bit predominant here) or if they will manifest it in healthier ways.


Interesting about moon and Saturn--Brilliant as always

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posted September 05, 2011 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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VEnus/Mars makes sense for sexual perprators, as it usually heightens the sex-drive.

Yes and (as you hinted) that energy can be misdirected into love of violence, particularly sexualised violence and degradation. It depends on other factors, both in the person and in the chart.

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posted September 06, 2011 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would presume Lucifer to be less simplistic than pride, depending on what other asteroids are present.

To me he represents the rebel, or revolutionary if you like. Actions intended to shake the establishment. I see pride as non-action, and that's not really what Lucifer was about from my understanding.

He rebelled against god, and took revenge through god's rejection of him.
I am not a christian, so I see this story as neither negative or positive, which is why I feel other placements should be taken into consideration when interpreting him.
For any who felt gods rule opressive, he would have been a saviour, for any who disagreed with him he would have been an enemy.

Rebelling against the establishment is not negative or positive in itself, it is the intent behind it, how it is expressed, and for what purpose.

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posted September 06, 2011 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(took this off Ast2 as it was in the wrong place)

Ami - have you tried looking at asteroid 5283 PYRRHUS.

According to Mark Andrew Holmes "Asteroid Pyrrhus was named for one of the Greek war chiefs at Troy, Pyrrhus, also known as Neoptolemus, the king of Epirus (now a province in northwestern Greece) and a son of Achilles. Pyrrhus got his name from his blond hair. After Achilles was killed, a delegation of Greeks led by Odysseus went to Epirus and brought Pyrrhus to the Trojan War, where, because of his rage at the death of his father, he became the Greeks' most ruthless warrior. At the sack of Troy, he used a battle-ax to break down the door to King Priam's house, where he pillaged and burned and slaughtered, killing women and children as well as men. He killed Priam's son Polites and then sacrilegiously killed Priam himself on the altar of Athene's temple; then he took Hektor's wife Andromache back to Greece with him as a slave.

Another king of Epirus named Pyrrhus waged bloody ruinous war against the invading Romans; after one battle in which he emerged victorious, it was said by him that another victory like that "and we are lost." From this comes the expression "Pyrrhic victory."

Astrologically, asteroid Pyrrhus seems to indicate pyrrhic victory, violence, bloodthirstiness, ruthlessness, sadism, vindictiveness, triumphalism, fires, burns.

Florida serial killer Aileen Wuornos, whose hard-luck life led, in her case, to a murderous rampage against men, a psychological meltdown, and execution, had Pyrrhus semisextile the North Node (making connections), square Pallas (politics), trine Asbolus (terrible experiences) and quincunx the South Node (past experiences, the path of least resistance).

Springfield, Oregon school shooter Kipland "Kip" Kinkel has Pyrrhus conjunct Neptune (out-of-control emotions) and Juno (giving away power), sextile Pluto (criminality, self-destruction) and Pallas (conceptualization), square Don Quixote (taking on the system), and trine Asbolus.

Columbine shooter Eric Harris had Pyrrhus in the first house of personal interests, semisextile Lilith (marginalization, repressed rage erupting), square the Midheaven and opposite Varuna (grown huge, fundamentalism, "judgment day").

His partner in crime Dylan Klebold had Pyrrhus in the second house of values, semisextile Elatus (effective deception), semisquare Vesta (dedication), and trine Mars (firearms, violence), Pholus (insinuating oneself in) and Hylonome (grief).

Josef Mengele had Pyrrhus in the sixth house of service to others, on the Descendant, sextile the South Node and trine Elatus (self-deception) and the North Node. He tried to pass his atrocities off as research and for a while after World War II ended actually thought he could resume his career as a medical researcher."

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posted September 06, 2011 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To me he represents the rebel, or revolutionary if you like. Actions intended to shake the establishment. I see pride as non-action, and that's not really what Lucifer was about from my understanding.

He rebelled against god, and took revenge through god's rejection of him.
I am not a christian, so I see this story as neither negative or positive, which is why I feel other placements should be taken into consideration when interpreting him.
For any who felt gods rule opressive, he would have been a saviour, for any who disagreed with him he would have been an enemy.


Such as people willing to harm and kill people for their own beliefs: demented egotism masquerading as 'idealism'. That's very Luciferian imo - willingness to destroy everyone and everything that stands in the way of your belief.

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posted September 07, 2011 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nightingale:
Such as people willing to harm and kill people for their own beliefs: demented egotism masquerading as 'idealism'. That's very Luciferian imo - willingness to destroy everyone and everything that stands in the way of your belief.

I think how you interpret Lucifer, will depend very much on how you feel about him in a non-astrological sense, e.g., many christians will view him as a negative influence because of their beliefs; I don't adhere to any set of religious beliefs (organised or otherwise), so I don't view Lucifer in a non-astrolgical sense as being intrinsically positive or negative, so for me, whether his presence in the chart is positive or negative would depend on his interactions with the rest of the chart.

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posted September 08, 2011 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, man, Taineberry, I don't like that Pyrrhus thing ...Apparently, it trines my Mercury & MC exactly, makes a quincunx with my Saturn 1 deg orb, and exactly semi-squares my Mars! ...Oh, and there's also 3 deg trine to Sun, though I'm only interested in the exact aspects, since it's just an asteroid...

So...I might be a sadist?!

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posted September 09, 2011 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Chaos. Ooops! Did you pull the legs off beetles when you were a little kid?????

But seriously ... with these minor asteroids, I think that their expression is mostly latent - it lies dormant as a potentialilty which you have free will to act on or not. When real baddy asteroids hit on your planets, most people just choose not to engage with the impulses that may arise. i.e. You might just feel like pulling the legs off beetles from time to time, but not actually do it!!! You may even resist the idea so much that you become an activist against insect mutilation.

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posted October 08, 2011 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Pyrrhus in a TIGHT conjunction with my midheaven, in the 10th house.

*laughing*

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