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vesta
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posted December 21, 2011 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am starting to use centaurs and wondering if others may have some good examples of how they express them in the natal chart ?

Chiron: Chiron is known as the wounded healer. This asteroid of very powerful symbolism orbits between Saturn and Uranus, therefore is referred to as "the rainbow bridge", connecting the outer limits of earthly reality with cosmic intelligence and law. Where Chiron is in a horoscope chart can refer to a personal issue that is an on-going source of frustration and pain.

One is repeatedly forced by circumstances to try and gain mastery over a function of life over which one has no easy knowledge, control or final resolution, except by death. A Chiron affliction can also refer to problems with health, relationship or sexuality. Sometimes the Chiron placement expresses as a sense of entitlement or victemization; someone else should handle the issue or one is rendered powerless to proceed. Sometimes Chiron's pain can be mastered by doing for others what one cannot do for themselves.

Nessus: Nessus represents primitive, unrestrained energy which can destroy without thinking and thus is destroyed by the same energy it seeks to dominate. This asteroid is also implicated in ancestral sin or the violation of one family member by another. "Family" can also refer to corporate or community groups. Issues of scapgoating, illegitimacy, incest, rape, unwanted pregnancy and conflict over wills or inheritances can be involved. Often the problems implicating Nessus are generational in span and duration.

Pholus: Prominence in the chart can indicate tendencies to short-term or wishful thinking, along with difficulty establishing and keeping boundaries. Maintaining a stance of willful innocence, blindness or idealism, a person with an afflicted Pholus tends to believe that when they behave inappropriately in a situation they will be protected by God and/or respected by other people. Disaster can result from impulsive thinking and narrow perception. One does not see their behavior as improper, but rather as upholding an idealistic concept which is sanctioned by God. One might be motivated by an ongoing dedication to embodying spiritual principals within the material world, even to the extent of martyrdom. When positively expressed, the asteroid can be symbolic of visionary skills and the reception of true archetypal images eminating from sacred cosmic intent.

Chariklo: In Greek myth, Chariklo was the wife of Chiron. She offers relief from the dictates of patriarchy, through the safeguarding of sacred sexuality. Chariklo can represent balanced, active feminine expression, however she also serves in protection of social boundaries including those that are transgender or sexual in nature. The polarization of woman into virgin or ***** that characterizes many cultures, can be left behind for mature, self-fulfilled, maternal yet sexually active womanhood. As expressed by astrologer Philip Sedgwick, Chariklo is all about learning to maintain two important personal boundaries; one that would promote quality relations with other people and another that protects personal, sacred space, namely the enclosure of your own spirituality and individuality.

Asbolus: Astobolus was a prophet and seer for the Centaurs; he had an overly stern sense of justice that led to his death in the battle with Heracles. He is seen as representing management, achievement, leadership and materialism; it would seem he can see into the future especially as concerns loss, injustice or destruction but his words are not always heeded. Astrologer Johathan Dunn notes that Asbolus is prominent in the charts of people who are serious and even bitter.

Bienor: Bienor was a centaur killed during a fight at the wedding of Pirithous, King of the Lapiths. Mark Andrew Holmes lists the following descriptives for this asteroid: exuberance, expansion, empowerment, liberalism, generousity, love of others, compassion, cooperation or alternatively, condemning, hateful, judgmental, doomed effort, being attacked or becoming trapped.

Elatus:The Centaur Elatus was killed in the same battle with Hercules that was the doom of Chiron, Pholus and Asbolus. He was killed by a poisoned arrow that passed through his arm to hit Chiron on the knee. He used to pull up whole fir trees to use as weapons. Holmes' keywords for Elatus include: expressions, expressiveness, eloquence, to mislead, to deceive (including oneself); also possibly maneuvering away from attack.

Hylonome: Hylonome was a beautiful female Centaur who committed suicide after her partner Cyllarus was killed in battle with the Lapithae. Naive, compassionate and sensative to criticism, she would seem to have issues with self-esteem, emotionality and wanting to be popular with everyone. She could signify someone who has difficulty standing alone or dealing with grief and loss; also one who tends to indentify themselves and base their emotional stability out of relationships with others. Otherwise, there is an interest in fashion and good hygiene. According to Philip Sedgwick her job is to bring an end to grief through whatever means will bring resolution.

Ixion: Ixion, king of the Lapithae, was also father to most of the Centaurs and pretty much abused his power in many ways. Eventually he was punished by being tied to a wheel with snakes which turned eternally suspened in the space of Tartarus, realm of the dead. Holmes' keywords for Ixion include: busy-ness, workaholism, lust to acquire or possess, materialism and its consequences, lack of appreciation or gratitude, to take things for granted,...no regrets, being harmed by something of one's own creation, ...creating trouble or change, passing problems down through generations. Ixion makes major aspects in the charts of those prone to self-sabotague through arrogance or impulsive action.

Okyrhoe: The female Centaur Okyrhoe was the daughter of Centaurs Chiron and Chariklo. She could fortell the future; she was changed into a horse for revealing the plans of the gods to mankind. Holmes' keywords include: Being criticized or attacked and being able to withstand attacks or unpopularity. Also an ability to stand up for one's beliefs or principles.

Pelion:Pelion was named for Mount Pelion, a mountain in Greece where all the Centaurs abide. According to Philip Sedgwick and Timothy Joko-Veltman, Pelion signifies the process of balancing emotions and ego as a function of professional status. On the positive side one can support coworkers with special skills; negatively one can be demanding, immature, paranoid or cynical; engage in status displays and regurgitate past triumphs as a reason for current prestige. Also included is waking up to the true reality and the way things really are.

Thereus: Thereus was a Centaur hunter who hunted very big game and brought them home alive to his cave. According to Holmes, Thereus stands for the ability to maintain healthy boundaries between personal and professional activities. One may tend to identify with career, relationships or material acquisition, besides appreciating beautiful things and people. Another side of Thereus relates to the wilderness, the hunt, nature, wild animals and concern for the environment.
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posted July 11, 2017 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Vesta, I hope you're still
with our community here. It's
unfortunate no one commented.
I think this is a fabulous post!

Okyrhoe is conj .59 to my Sun.
It definitely is felt too.

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posted July 12, 2017 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 15, 2017 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good list.

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posted July 16, 2017 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hadn't heard of some of them.

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posted July 16, 2017 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are almost truly a meditation... and study in Dark and Light.

In the mythology, The Centaurs were assigned to aid the human race, and heal their conditions. Each centaur had their own giftings (no matter how labeled).

The Leader of them all, with his wife, took care of the centaurs in a cave on Mt Pelion.

In a 'family' way... the centaurs were born out a 'spirit of rejection' by their parent(s).
Chiron and Chariklo came along, and they took up the responsibility of caring for them--
Chariklo took care of the needs of Chiron;
Chiron sat as teacher over them, healing them, and provided for them--- as they performed their work for Humanity.

What a Beautiful Image....

I am truly Inspired when they say that Chiron was a form of The Christ.

(music) How Beautiful (Twilla Paris, lyrics) [5:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ZonBMFat8

Which ever way people want to delineate or serve it up?... We're supposed to work together, to heal each other, on every single level that Being a Human is!

When we work Together, as One, Each with our Own Gift, it All fits.

Romans 8:28 All things fit together for The Good of them that are The Called.

I Celebrate the GIFTS of Those in our Midst.

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posted July 16, 2017 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
49036 Pelion

Another creepy song!!

I was thinking of Mr and Mrs Chiron having their centaur orphanage on Mt Pelion.

It reminded me of some piece of song... I looked it up, and it's Christian ref.

Since today is Sunday, I'll post it!!

(music) Big House! (Audio Adrenaline, lyrics) [3:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU0dPB6kqus

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posted July 19, 2017 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 9thScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can help with two.

Firstly, Chrion. Chiron is very important to me and it's pretty prominent in my chart. I like Chiron personally. It's rough from time to time, but in spheres of wounded healer, I'm great with helping people. Apparently, my touch is calming and soothing. It's in 8th house, conjuncts my Sun. I do have problems with reaching the climax.

Next one is Nessus. In terms of family, my grand grand father was slaughtered by grandma's uncle and it's a family stain we never talk about. My grandma was a little girl and my grand grandma never quite recovered and her hair turned grey. She was around 30 when it happened.

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posted July 19, 2017 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. Thanks, 9thScorpio! {{ }}

*hugs* for your helping wounded people!

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posted July 19, 2017 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg... creepy planet transits in my chart today, including TO a group of important asteroids.

Right now, the transiting Moon is conjunct my Sun and energizing the grand air trine.

I won't delineate-- am an asteroid DIVA here??!
I would go WAY too long!


I have natal Chiron Aquarius (H2cap) trine my H6 Sun Gem (H6taur), trine my MC Libra and other star~splay of asteroids.

The transiting Sun in Cancer CONJUNCTS my chart ruler Jupiter Cancer 27+ ... Mars is finishing up Cancer. Both, with splendid asteroid energizings....

(music) Wounded Soldier (Steve Green; Sara Entermann, {Christian, *not heavy, I promise*}, lyrics) [4:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZqdVEzMdeA

EDIT-- haha,
Warning for pitch-sensitive people-- their piano needs tuning!!

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posted July 19, 2017 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...
This woman has done good research.
Gives historical perspective too.
Is a spirituality teacher, and business woman.

(topic) Nessus transits Pisces (Jean Wiley) [52:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_wBAgkN7BA

^ {has time-stamps if after the intro you want to hear your placement}

(topic) Chiron, Spiritual Awakening and Natal Horoscope placement (Jean Wiley) [23:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mhVDHVDbU

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posted July 19, 2017 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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