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amelia28
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posted February 06, 2012 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a stellium between apophis 23 Leo/karma 23 Leo/venus 23 Leo/mars 24 Leo all falling in my 9th house. The stellium trines my neptune in sag 26 degrees in the 1st. Khufu opposes this stellium as well as Lilith both of which are in aquarius at 20 degrees. I also have mesopotamia at 24 degrees aquarius opposing my stellium.

Apophis sounds horrible as it rules death/destruction/evil.

further, my apophis conjuncts my husband's venus in leo 25 degrees.

further my husband's apophis forms a stellium with mars/uranus/apophis which all square his venus. Furthermore, his apophis squares my venus by one orb and my mars exact.

His apophis is in scorpio and mine in Leo.

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posted February 06, 2012 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate violence, I dont break things, I am anti eugenics, I am anti war, I am very compassionate, all about unconditional love and trying to help others become aware of things and healing but without using force ever. If someone doesn't respond to my help then I let that person go and focus on myself but based on that apophis stellium I am suppose to be horrible. Shed some light please.

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posted February 06, 2012 04:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
I hate violence, I dont break things, I am anti eugenics, I am anti war, I am very compassionate, all about unconditional love and trying to help others become aware of things and healing but without using force ever. If someone doesn't respond to my help then I let that person go and focus on myself but based on that apophis stellium I am suppose to be horrible. Shed some light please.

Well I'm not convinced of there validity either. I have Echo conj moon and cannot identiy with anything ami ann suggests. I know she has it conj Asc..

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Asteroid—Scream Your Voice
By amiann | Published: January 14, 2012 |
If you have a strong Echo placement, such as conjunct the Sun, Moon or ASC, you may be a little mouse, inside. You may not want to look at this truth, but Echo renders us voiceless. As such, we get depressed because depression is lack of personal expression, in my opinion. How does one deal with the Echo asteroid? One must scream one’s voice, not literally, of course. However, one must make oneself large, heard and center stage. I am thinking that the sign Leo is what the Echo person needs. Leo rules the fifth house, which is the house of the the self. Leo rules the stage of life when the child dances around the room and says “Look at me.” There is profound joy in the child’s discovery that he,indeed, has power to do and power to be. Echo renders that power impotent. Echo’s inner child hides in the corner, yearning to dance in the middle . The Sign of Leo is the proud lion. He may roar and show his power, but it is not with malicious intent. It is with a child- like embracing of life and his part in it

I don't feel voiceless or depressed.

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posted February 06, 2012 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took a second look and found a positive application of Apophis... from Mark Andrew Holmes' page:

"Demolition expert Jack Loizeaux had Apophis semisextile Pluto and Vesta (dedication) and trine Pholus (to undermine or weaken from within). Taking down a building safely requires careful placement of explosives within the building."

It's not all doom and gloom, thankfully. Just a matter of finding a constructive outlet for... well, destruction.

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posted February 06, 2012 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
I took a second look and found a positive application of Apophis... from Mark Andrew Holmes' page:

"Demolition expert Jack Loizeaux had Apophis semisextile Pluto and Vesta (dedication) and trine Pholus (to undermine or weaken from within). Taking down a building safely requires careful placement of explosives within the building."

It's not all doom and gloom, thankfully. Just a matter of finding a constructive outlet for... well, destruction.


Interesting...

I am not destructive the most destructive thing I have ever done and I had to dig in my head was when I was a small child when my sister who is 7 years older than me told me something I can't remember what it was but it must have really triggered something in me because I got really angry and then took her down and she couldnt move and I was probably 6 but she got me so angry that for that moment I was really strong. That has only happened to me that one time in my life. Nobody got hurt but I would love to remember what she said that got me so angry that I become stronger but as an adult when I am angry bc I am pushed and pushed I will have an argument, scream and cry or leave/exit.

Also, I had arguments with my mom a lot growing up but that could be my moon opposite mercury.

I do think that perhaps in the past I use to try to destroy my boyfriend/girlfriend relationships. my outlets have become:

9th house and neptune: Higher learning, travel, metaphysics, theology/philosophy,politics, astrology, psychology, compassion, unconditional love and fantasy!

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posted February 07, 2012 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting the positive interp from Mark Holmes page, BlackSeraph!

Amelia, as a person having more of the Light Polarity, you can interpret your Apophis-Karma conjunction in 9th as follows:
Breaking down the Karmic Obstacles by shining Light [Leo Principle] on your 9th House talents.

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posted May 09, 2012 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, I found someone else who may have had an (arguably) positive manifestation of Apophis in their chart, which I only started thinking about when checking Mitt Romney's placements (I'll have to doublecheck but I don't think Mitt had a significant Apophis placement offhand).

This particular guy had Apophis conjunct Sun in the last degree of 8th house (going on 9th house) in Aquarius, squaring Lucifer in Taurus (11th house) and probably just in orb of squaring Pholus in (which itself was conjunct Jupiter) in Scorpio 5th house (about degree and a half orb, but slightly out of orb of opposing Lucifer). On a side note, he also had a minor grand trine with Mercury sextile Destinn and Kaali, with Destinn/Kaali trined.

This guy was Ronald Reagan, 40th president of the United States, and nicknamed "The Great Communicator." Why is this significant with the destruction aspect of Apophis? In my opinion, I feel he helped lead the way to the destruction of the Berlin Wall ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!") and if I'm not mistaken indirectly helped set the stage (with his interaction with Mikhail Gorbachev) to the ultimate (overt) dissolution of the Soviet Union. (We'll see where things go with Putin's re-ascendency to the presidency).

Although, under his watch, the National Debt also soared (the destruction of sub-trillion dollar national debt ). He also had to get on the red phone with the Soviet Union and convince them he was joking when an accidental live airing of him getting ready to address the nation went out ("My fellow Americans, I've signed legislation banning the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes!" - This could have easily lead to a lot of destruction).

I was also less than 10 years old when he left office, so my perception may be skewed by my at-the-time young age plus the passing of years.

Certainly charismatic at the very least.

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posted May 09, 2012 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Correction! Just doublechecked Mitt Romney: Apophis in his chart is within a degree and a half of Algol. This could be very interesting should he win the nomination (all but certain at this point) and the election. It also trines Pholus in Capricorn and opposes Moon/Jupiter in Scorpio. Apophis in Mitt's chart also quincunx's Juno in Sagittarius (one-degree orb), and Sesquiquadrates Karma in Libra.

Better keep an eye on this guy, I have no idea what Apophis with Algol can do. Something not pretty I'm sure. Opposing Moon/Jupiter, I doubt an economic turnaround with him at the helm will be a certainty. (This also leads me to concerns for his safety).

We'll see what happens.

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posted May 10, 2012 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Romney "APOPHISed" jobs when he made his millions at Bain Capital in true carpet-bagger style. He can escalate this at the national level. 10 to 1 he is winning the elections against listless Obama unless Ron Paul stands as an independent and the voting machines mysteriously malfunction to send all Romney votes to Paul

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posted May 10, 2012 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stormyvirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's wishful thinking on your part iQ, perhaps you should stick to your ostensible area of expertise (asteroids and astrology) and steer far from from political prognostication. :-)

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posted May 10, 2012 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my... what did I spark?

How about Apophis conjunct Midheaven? That's what I've got. Been grappling with this interpretation for awhile. Ideas?

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posted April 26, 2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ronald Reagan certainly started the destruction of the social/economic fabric of the country so I don't consider him a positive manifestor at all.

I am sure the god of chaos and the dark has positive aspects though!

I wonder what a double whammy sun/apopgis would mean in a synastry? Mutual destruction of the people involved? (each person's Sun conjunct the other's apophis) or just the destruction of egotistical behaviour?

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posted April 28, 2014 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BlackSeraph do you perhaps strike people as chaotic, or willing to tear down established structure s so that new life can be created? Apophis represented night to Ra's day, Chaos to Order, he was the force of entropy pushing everything to disintegrate, without which nothing new can be born...not necessarily EVIL but not welcomed by those who like life to tick along... in other words a necessary agent of destruction in many ways.

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posted September 06, 2014 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Thanks for posting the positive interp from Mark Holmes page, BlackSeraph!

Amelia, as a person having more of the Light Polarity, you can interpret your Apophis-Karma conjunction in 9th as follows:
Breaking down the Karmic Obstacles by shining Light [Leo Principle] on your 9th House talents.



Wow good point. I didn't think to look at this from this angle since apophis is painted so negatively the anxiety was blocking me from seeing it from another angle.

Since apophis is conjuncting venus and karma exact which is ruled by the sun and my sun conjuncts Horus exact perhaps this means that in this life I am suppose to destroy karma via unconditional love and doing this will bring me fortune (mars conjuncts fortuna and this conjuncts by one orb venus/apophis/karma).

Or simply put that this life is about clearing karma with lovers and friends (venus rules my 11th and 6th and mars rules my 5th) and doing so will bring good fortune.

Or I have good fortune with lovers and friends but the apophis influence in my chart sabotages that fortune turning it into misfortune (venus/karma/apophis semisextiles nemesis and inconjuncts moon and my moon opposes nemesis).


Or apophis destroys my good fortune but it also regenerates my fortune after destroying it creating this bouncing back theme in my life.


Or all the above!!!!!!!

That was deep.

Interesting that I have venus/karma/apophis trine neptune and sextile pluto and that I have juno conjunct chaos trine pallas (Grand trine between chaos/pallas/priapus); not exactly destined for a simple love life.


I feel chaos and apophis are similar and since one touches my venus and the other my juno I find that odd but purposeful for some reason.

They are similar since apophis brings chaos and destruction but this leads to regeneration as well and order comes out of chaos according to chaos theory further reinforced in my case by my chaos trining my pallas.


Venus also rules my 6th and I feel part of me been a social worker is about me clearing out karma and not bc I am such a good person like most people think automatically when you tell them you are a social worker. I am realizing that a lot lately. People have a tendency to put social workers up in a pedestal and at least when someone does that to me I stop them and tell them clearly that I am just a regular person like them.


I did have to get a degree to be social worker so that explains venus in the 9th ruling my 6th and it conjuncting karma and apophis can mean clearing out karma via service and through unconditional love. I do have good fortune finding jobs in this field (mars/fortuna at 24 in leo conjuncting venus/karma/apophis at 23 in leo).


Namaste.

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