posted February 15, 2012 11:30 AM            

example:
his 12th house ruler conjunct her DESC-ruler
her 12th house ruler conjunct his DESC-ruler

posted February 15, 2012 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
not sure why forum keeps duplicating posts, anyone have any ideas?

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posted February 15, 2012 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
° Saturn and/ or Karma aspecting Venus, DESC, Eros, Valentine, Juno, maybe Aphrodite
° SN conjunct Venus, DESC, Eros, Valentine, Juno, Aphrodite
° the ruler of the 12th house aspecting the mentioned ones plus DESC or ruler of DESC. If there is a DW, you can be fairly sure I think.

example:
his 12th house ruler conjunct her DESC-ruler
her 12th house ruler conjunct his DESC-ruler

As a rough guideline Saturn, Karma, 12th house often have to do with karmic stuff. Sometimes Moon and IC also.
And the Draco charts of course.

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Ceri what about midheaven? What aspects to it?
And what is DW? Thanks!

posted February 15, 2012 12:18 PM            

According to Magi Astrology, Chiron Linkages are not just signs of enduring love, but Chiron Linkages actually actively create the conditions necessary for a couple to marry; on the other hand, Juno Linkages impede the development of the conditions necessary for a couple to marry.

posted February 15, 2012 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Ceri what about midheaven? What aspects to it?
And what is DW? Thanks!

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Aspects to the IC will automatically aspect midheaven as well. But I think that the aspects (conjunctions) to IC will be more significant in terms of past life stuff, as the IC is the deepest point in our charts and signifies the "root of our soul".

DW is a Double whammy. If the same two planets are aspecting each other,
for ex:
his Venus trine her Moon
his Moon conjunct her Venus

AS for Magi astrology, I am currently intrigued with Magi astrology, but treat it as a completely different kind of methodology.

But as always you have to see the big picture. One aspect alone doesn`t make or doom a relationship.

Even a heartbreak clash will not break a cóuple apart; the chances are higher though than if you didn`t share a heartbreak clash.

But even then you have to really see what else is there. If there are 3 heartbreak clashes and no romance linkages or soulmate linkages, it is a totally different picture than if you had a heartbreak clash coupled with 5 soulmate linkages and tons of romantic aspects; you know what I Mean?

Having said that; I have to admit that TR Saturn being opposite my Chiron as it was for a while (my Chiron is on 20 Aries) did NOT feel good.
As a matter of fact the most painful transits I ever experienced (repeatedly the same effect) were Tr Saturn opposite or square to Chiron, Moon and Neptune. I especially remember Tr Saturn being opposite my Moon. I felt SO depressed, or no, actually I was feeling completely numb and unable to access my feelings, which led me to do some dumb things, some mistakes, which led to harsh emotional suffering (which ironically broke the feeling of numbness).

When Tr Saturn was on my SN and opposing my Neptune, the boyfriend of my oldest friend died in a motorcycle crash. I was very much under shock about that.

When Tr Saturn was squaring my Neptune and NN, and opposing my Jupiter, I was feeling quite depressed again, and as if something had been taken away from me (though there was not outward reason for it), and I made a silly decision based on misconceptions and distorted perspective on myself.

Then later when Tr Saturn was quinkunx my Moon and after that approching a quinkunx to my Chiron, a colleague of mine, I liked pretty much, died.

in 2009 when Tr Saturn was squaring my Sun and Mercury, I suddenly was developing strong difficulties with my digestive system (of coursse Saturn was in Virgo at that time, how fitting!). It was starting exactly 1 degree before exactly square my Sun and I got a bit better when Tr Saturn was 1 degree separating from that square.
Curiously the difficulties disappeared in summer, but were back again the next fall.
Now this year I haven`t had any problems so far. free of trouble for one year. So I guess that is good.

But anyway, Saturn-transits are REALLY heavy for me. Luckily now I am going to have a little bit breathe pause, until he will be squaring my Moon on 17 Aquarius.

My Moon and Chiron are sextile by 3 degrees and my Moon is quinkunx my Saturn exactly. So most of the time if Tr Saturn is aspecting one, the other two get their share as well.

So as for transits for me personally the Magi are right on the money with their take on Saturn-transits.
They are not only painful for me, but make me prone to make the wrong decisions, even though it doesn`t seem so at that time.

EDIT:
I`ve had Pluto transiting over my Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN, Mercury and Sun and now on my Venus since 1998.
I`ve had Uranus being conjunct my Moon.
I`ve had Neptune being conjunct my Moon.
I`ve had Pluto being square my Moon (Okay, this one is AEONS ago. lol).

They were intense transits, no question about it, but compared to the Saturn-drama, a walk in the park.

The opposition of Uranus/Neptune to Saturn and square to Chiron was NOT a walk in the park though. Crushed my whole belief system, and took away my faith for many many years.

Well, when Tr Pluto was conjunct my ASC, there was a very traumatic and lifechanging experience as well (my grandpa had a stroke, we took him in with us, which of course changed all our lives, and he died 2 years later).

At that time Tr Saturn was conjunct Chiron and square Saturn, too, though, so I am not sure which one was it.

posted February 15, 2012 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
hen I looked and there was Chiron quincunx Neptune which is supposed to be a "lifetime linkage" but the least romantic I guess? Ya so this is what got me so confused

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Well, I am not so convinced of that. I know they wrote that in their last book, but since then they published a lot of articles, which seems to contradicts that a little bit.
Besides, how can any aspect with Neptune be unromantic?

As a matter of fact I think, the most romantic one is still Venus-Chiron (speaking strictly in Magi terms of course), followed by Venus-Neptune and Neptune-Chiron; I think of the classical Cinderella linkages Chiron-Jupiter may be the least romantic (even though still romantic enough .

Less romantic than the classic Cinderella linkages, are the Chiron-Sun as well as Chiron-Pluto linkages.

But yes, I think whenever Venus is involved, there may be a more romantic attraction feeling, more being "in love"; the kind when suddenly violins begin to play in your mind.
But of course that does not necessarily need to be a sign of deep love.

posted February 15, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, I am not so convinced of that. I know they wrote that in their last book, but since then they published a lot of articles, which seems to contradicts that a little bit.
Besides, how can any aspect with Neptune be unromantic?

As a matter of fact I think, the most romantic one is still Venus-Chiron (speaking strictly in Magi terms of course), followed by Venus-Neptune and Neptune-Chiron; I think of the classical Cinderella linkages Chiron-Jupiter may be the least romantic (even though still romantic enough .

Less romantic than the classic Cinderella linkages, are
the Chiron-Sun as well as Chiron-Pluto linkages.

But yes, I think whenever Venus is involved, there may be a more romantic attraction feeling, more being "in love"; the kind when suddenly violins begin to play in your mind.
But of course that does not necessarily need to be a
sign of deep love.

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Yes we had the Chiron aspect to moon and sun lol! The only sounds coming from the violins were a Venus square Pluto and Moon opposition Pluto lol So ya unbelievable sex but romance? Not so much lol

posted February 15, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Ok so yes I just checked and we had my chiron Conjunct her Saturn, Juno & vertex on my IC. I still think about her lol

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Speaking from Magi perspective you share a Saturn-bond (CHiron conjunct Saturn) and a Chiron-Juno linkage.
The Chiron-Juno is said to be one of the strongest signs of sexual desire and attraction, and one that can be very long lasting (though the Magi usually say that Juno-attractions are fleeting, the Chiron-Juno and Neptune-Juno-linkage seem to be an exception).

Chiron conjunct Saturn is very binding, but also said to be an "emotional captivation" (they have quite some catchy names for the aspects, right? ).
The Magi say though that it is Saturn that has the most hold on Chiron, and that it is very difficult for the Chiron-person to break away, even if they want to. The bond does not have to be love though (depends if you also have SOULMATE linkages and romance linkages and planetary geometry. Soulmate linkages or Romance Super linkages are made of one person`s Chiron linking to a planet of the other person, and having an aspect to a third planet, but Juno does not count as permisseable planet for a Romance Super linkage).

Linkages are conjunctions, trines, quinkunxes, parallels and contraparallels.
If Saturn is part of the aspect, quinkunxes and contraparallels are no linkages, but clashes.

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Speaking from a non-Magi point of view, I would always check the progressed synastry.

posted February 15, 2012 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Speaking from Magi perspective you share a Saturn-bond (CHiron conjunct Saturn) and a Chiron-Juno linkage.
The Chiron-Juno is said to be one of the strongest signs of sexual desire and attraction, and one that can be very long lasting (though the Magi usually say that Juno-attractions are fleeting, the Chiron-Juno and Neptune-Juno-linkage seem to be an exception).
Chiron conjunct Saturn is very binding, but also said to be an "emotional captivation" (they have quite some catchy names for the aspects, right? ).
The Magi say though that it is Saturn that has the most hold on Chiron, and that it is very difficult for the Chiron-person to break away, even if they want to. The bond does not have to be love though (depends if you also have SOULMATE linkages and romance linkages and planetary geometry. Soulmate linkages or Romance Super linkages are made of one person`s Chiron linking to a planet of the other person, and having an aspect to a third planet, but Juno does not count as permisseable planet for a Romance Super linkage)

Linkages are conjunctions, trines, quinkunxes, parallels and contraparallels.
If Saturn is part of the aspect, quinkunxes and contraparallels are no linkages, but clashes

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Speaking from a non-Magi point of view, I would always check the progressed synastry.

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So funny you mentioned the captivation lol so ya I guess she captivated me and I was trapped.

posted February 15, 2012 03:28 PM            

Did you captivate her as well?

posted February 16, 2012 09:14 AM            

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