posted February 22, 2012 11:41 AM            

We have looked at House Rulers, with respect to our question. We have looked at some planetary aspects, with respect to our question. Now, on to Asteroids. The consummate Player usually has his bad boy seducer Asteroids on his Ascendant. This would be the first place we would look for them, anyway. There are some classic Seducer Asteroids. One is Casanova. The man with Casanova knows he is good. He has his game down and uses it. He has full confidence in his powers of seduction. It has usually become a game with him. When one is so naturally gifted at something, it can be a double edged sword. If you talk to a Casanova, at a really gut level, you may find that the game runs him, rather than vice-versa.The Cupido Asteroid has a different twist, as they all do. Cupido is the look of love, with no heart within. The wielder of Cupido knows it is a game, even more than Casanova, perhaps. It is all good fun to him, as he is so good at it. It may be more like a game of pinball than a game of Hearts. The man with a strong Cupido does not seem to have the ennui of the Casanova. However, I will need more charts and more time, to see if this is really true.

posted February 22, 2012 12:39 PM            

casanova is on my lilith 5th house
cupido on venus 7th house

posted February 22, 2012 12:47 PM            

Aphrodite will surely play a role, maybe a mix up between Cupido-Eros (in the male chart).

Circe might be one as well, a witch, used to bewitch.

What about Salome?

posted February 22, 2012 01:02 PM            

I've never looked it up before, but my husband always thought of himself as a James Bond type, and I'd have to agree with him. Now I see James Bond is conjunct my Sun! He also had Casanova conjunct his ASC. His Casanova trined my NN and sextiled my James Bond, Lust, Fortuna and Sun.

tbh, it's not all that bad being wined and dined and sported around town by a sexy James Bond/Casanova. The only trick is keeping the Casanova interested. Otherwise, he can all too easily find a suitable replacement if he so desires.

posted February 22, 2012 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Starlover:
What about Ast. James Bond?

I've never looked it up before, but my husband always thought of himself as a James Bond type, and I'd have to agree with him. Now I see James Bond is conjunct my Sun! He also had Casanova conjunct his ASC. His Casanova trined my NN and sextiled my James Bond, Lust, Fortuna and Sun.

tbh, it's not all that bad being wined and dined and sported around town by a sexy James Bond/Casanova. The only trick is keeping the Casanova interested. Otherwise, he can all too easily find a suitable replacement if he so desires.

Planets have more strength than asteroids do. The bottom line, though, is that we have free will to use the energies in our charts as we please. We may not be able to control others, but we can control ourselves. There's no big hand in the sky coming down forcing us to behave in any particular manner, is there?

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how'd they pick which one to name james bond?

james bond was actually some sexual heaaaling type of chap. all the women in the bond novels have sexual abuse or something very dark in their past.

posted February 22, 2012 03:36 PM            

Ceri--Salome---sounds interesting. I know that story from the Bible so will not have to study it lol

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posted February 22, 2012 04:38 PM            

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For example, a native with a sixth house Cupido conjunct Venus in Capricorn and both in trine to a second house Saturn in Virgo could present as seductively overwhelming to someone turned on by financially stable, enterprising and fatherly authority figures.

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so 7th house cupido conj venus in taurus.. maybe it means i look great in morning dress or whatever a groom traditionally wears lol..

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The natal house Amor occupies is where the person believes they will be able to express this highest form of love. Since the asteroid represents an ideal, if it is afflicted the person can feel incapable of achieving his ideal love or unworthy of being given love. One may even do self-sabotage in order to avoid experiencing love up close and real, since unconditional love does not easily exist within a framework of control and predictability. Zane suggests that planet in square or opposition to Amor can represent something else desirable that is preferred to love. One person's Amor conjunct a planet in another's chart brings feeling of love, however if that person also has a natal planet in hard aspect to Amor, it conflicts with the other person's chart and the result is a volatile state of love/hate.

Amor in opposition to planets or other love asteroids can indicate a situation where opposites attract; the loved one functions as a devil's advocate or as an expression of one's own shadow. Hard aspects in general tends to link the native up with people whose concept of love and sharing is very different from their own, resulting in various distortions of the impulse to love such as withholding, manipulating, caretaking, domination-submission scenarios etc.

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amor on h7 cusp opposite pluto exact..

prefer power over love?

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Martha Lang-Wescott mentions Eros retrograde as denoting a state where the sexual interests and compulsions of other people to which one is sexually attracted, create difficulty as in when a partner seeks satisfaction through internet porn instead of with an actual person. There can also be repression of the sex drive on occasion, sexual dysfunction, premature sexual experiences or a tendency to seek outlets for unconventional sexual fulfillment. Eros in quincunx aspect can represent guilt and over-reaction towards the sexual experience; a waning quincunx can show that others make you feel that you should do more to please the partner sexually. Actress Elizabeth Taylor, known for her sensual and seductive roles in cinema, has Eros at 4� Pisces 38', right between her natal Mars at 1�Pisces 33' and Sun-Mercury at 7� Pisces; all located in her third house of basic communications. This combination is given public focus by an opposition to dreamy and cinematic Neptune and asteroid Psyche, both retrograde at 6� Virgo in Elizabeth's tenth house of career and public life.

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eros conj neptune retro in h3 quincunx moon in h10

psyche is in aquarius h4 square saturn and sextile uranus.

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Any of the Love Asteroids in Strong Aspect to the Moon's Nodes, Midheaven or Ascendant: Indicates that personal concepts of love are influenced by collective myths, taboos or longings; or can indicate a love affair with the public at large or the production of a product that arouses a sense of passion in the public. For example, Pyotr Tchaikovsky was a 19th century composer who produced music that is still widely played today; his Eros is in conjunction with the North Node at 2� Pisces; while his Amor at 5� Taurus is in sextile or trine with the Moon's Nodes at about 3� Virgo-Pisces, Chiron at 6� Cancer and the Ascendant-Descendant angles of the birth chart at 9� Cancer.

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amor opp asc square mc.

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A Love Asteroid Unaspected or Weakly Aspected in a Natal Chart: Can actually represent a sizeable problem for the native, in that the energy represented by the placement then tends to express in an unconscious and unrestrained manner. This state of being matters because the expression of love and attainment of it in interaction with others constitutes a vital aspect of human existence. In this circumstance, aspects made with another person's planets or points can trigger all sorts of surprising phenomenon good or bad, until the individual comes to a conscious realization of the psychological dynamics insinuated by the natal sign and house placement of the asteroid.

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my sappho in h8 is unaspected with 1.5 orbs.

Moon: The Moon represents security needs and the nurturing function; but in aspect to love asteroids the expression of this principle can go in weird directions. For example, a Moon in Aquarius person would likely require a certain amount of novelty, detachment and independence; they can therefore be drawn to the eccentric, unearthly, unavailable or fascist personality, depending on personal preference. It's another issue entirely, as to whether such traits in a potential loved one are actually healthy for a long-term or intimate relationship. Parental murderer Eric Menendez has Cupido and Amor in Pisces closely trine natal Moon in Scorpio and Neptune in Sagittarius; the two planets are straddling the foundation of the chart, pointing to unconscious mother, nurturing and security issues.

moon quincunx eros exact.

Venus: A love asteroid teamed with the Goddess of Love should be a slam-dunk, but actually the combination can often translate into excessive behavior around matters of romance. A narcissist with Venus contacts can present as an object of desire or one who can command desire in others; alternatively there can be a lack of discrimination and a disregard for boundaries, one's own or other peoples'. This is an over-the-top "charisma ray" that can easily be re-directed towards pleasurable overindulgence of all kinds, from food to drugs to sex. As a candidate for a sex object that conquered the masses, Marilyn Monroe had Eros in Capricorn trine Venus in Aries. Functioning at a darker level of interaction, serial murderer Ted Bundy had Cupido in Capricorn sextile Venus in Scorpio; he had no difficulty seducing his female victims into "taking a ride."

cupido conj venus h7.

Neptune: Neptune's involvement can indicate an intimate association with one's own creative muse, or a liaison with someone who is an addict, misfit or ill in some way. Or we may be moved to project artistic or other bohemian tendencies we do not wish to personally own onto the beloved. Neptune can also bring visions of the loved one as not being of this earth or attuned to higher vibrations. In hard aspects one may habitually employ the rose-colored glasses to their detriment, in determining the suitability of others. Flamboyant entertainer Liberace had asteroid Eros in Aquarius and his second house of income, in opposition to an eighth house (occult contacts, other people's money) Neptune in Leo. The aspect makes a statement both about his creative muse and the ability to use his talents to generate a fortune over a lifetime.

eros conj neptune h3.

Pluto: Here the contact must result in a transformative experience; close relationships that will consume and reconstruct the native are favored. Attraction must give way to deep emotional catharsis, penetration of the soul, perhaps a visit to the burning ground; nothing else will do. At a slightly less intensive level one might prefer to express their love through chronic power struggles involving sex, money, authority or some other symbol of Leviathan. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis had asteroid Cupido in life-and-death Scorpio in conjunction to her natal Ascendant of persona and both in trine to Pluto in Cancer located in the eighth house of sex, death and other people's money. These eighth-house issues played out in her life with both husbands Robert Kennedy Jr. and Aristotle Onassis, as classic tragedies presented on a global stage.

posted February 23, 2012 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
how'd they pick which one to name james bond?

james bond was actually some sexual heaaaling type of chap. all the women in the bond novels have sexual abuse or something very dark in their past.

fleming was a pretty intense fellew too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-511863/Why-Ian-Flemings-wife-invented -James-Bond.html

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Hi, sand,

Bond movies are some of my favorites, but I never noticed all the Bond women had a dark past, but then again we are talking spies/Pluto, which would make sense. Maybe the books give that kind of detail. After reading the link you gave, I feel so provincial :< ) not exactly my cup of tea!

How'd they pick which one to name James Bond?That's a good question! I wonder why they did too now that you mention it. Maybe it was discovered when a Bond movie came out or on Ian Fleming's birthday?
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posted February 24, 2012 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Okie, I don't fit the astrological defination of a player.

- Eros conjunct Child (Exact)
- Venus conjunct Sappho (<1 degree)
- Cupido square Neptune (<1 degree)
- Cupido trine Uranus (1 degree)
- Ceres conjunct sappho (1 degree)

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I did not think so!

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posted February 25, 2012 11:56 AM            

7328 Casanova (22 Vir 27'49")
763 Cupido (0 Vir 24'51")
433 Eros (25 Leo 25'45")
80 Sappho (5 Lib 17'34")
9007 James Bond (20 Sco 43'22")
34 Circe (11 Lib 13'22")
562 Salome (6 Lib 17'16")

Cupido Conjunct Sun
Sappho Conjunct Salome (1 deg orb)
Circe conjunct Mars (1 deg orb, Mars in Stellium with Venus/Pluto)
Eros semisextile Black Moon Lilith (1 deg orb) (Unsure if this means much)
Casanova Trine Lucifer
Casanova Opposition Pholus
James Bond semisquare Sappho (unsure if this means much)