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seeker3030
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posted March 05, 2012 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
I just wondered what I should be aware of in terms of this man's Swindle conjunct my Sun/Pluto and his own Venus/Mercury?
We have a really strong connection which feels beautiful for the most part, but something just bothers me and almost frightens me about it. Just feels like it's too good to be true somehow. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Here is our synastry chart including Swindle, Lie, Eros, Psyche, Dejanira and Nessus.

Is it only a problem when Nessus squares Dejanira? Unsure what I'm looking for exactly. And can the Swindle aspect be overcome by the Venus/Pluto and the Eros/Psyche conjunctions? I suppose it's as Linda said... "if you love enough." Guess we'll just have to wait and see
Thanks so much for any thoughts and guidance x

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posted March 06, 2012 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gently bumping

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seeker3030
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posted March 07, 2012 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumpy bump

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Ceridwen
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posted March 07, 2012 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post the separate natal charts so I can see the exact degrees?

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seeker3030
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posted March 07, 2012 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceridwen and thanks so much for offering to take a look

This is his natal

and mine

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Ceridwen
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posted March 07, 2012 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you surely have some strong attraction-aspects:

his Eros conjunct your Psyche exact
his Venus conjuncty your Pluto
his Neptune conjunct your Venus
his ERos conjunct your Venus
his Juno conjunct your Eros
his ASC conjunct your Mars

your 5th house ruler conjunct his ASC ruler
your DESC-ruler conjunct his ASC-ruler
his DESC-ruler conjunct your IC
his 5th ruler and 8th ruler trine your Moon, which rules your ASC.


There are some things that need to be thought through more thoroughly, inlcuding:
his Pluto on your IC.
his ASC-ruler square your Saturn
his Saturn square your ASC and opposite your 8th ruler
his Venus square your Saturn


Pluto on the IC is a very deep aspect, but since Pluto is probing by nature and IC the deepest part of your psyche, the sheer intensity and intimacy can sometimes feel overwhelming.

The Saturn-squares can indicate a certain block or holding back on both parts, probably out of a certain fear.
The question is where does that inner block come from?

For this we have to take notice that both your Saturns are in the natal 12th house, so your composite Saturn will be in the 12th house,t oo. Either the blockages may come from subconscious things, or even from a past life.
With Saturn in composite 12th house, maybe a possible romantic relationship has been thwarted or prevented by authority figures or circumstance.
his 12th house ruler conjuncts your Venus, so I am pretty sure at least partly the romantic attraction has already been there in a past life.

Speaking of past lives, he has SWINDLE on the SN, conjunct your Sun.
So a possible cheater scenario may have come from the past, maybe that is where your fear comes from? The conjunction is not unbearably tight of his Swindle to your Sun, so I wouldn`t worry too much.


Another thing that I found interesting is his Sun-Jupiter-conjunction closely squaring your Juno. Of course this is some kind of a soulmate aspect, but issues of equality, balance in a relationship and jealousy / posessiveness might arise.
As you probably know Jupiter was cheating on Juno all the time, so yes, it could point to infidelity, but it is not a must of course.
Juno and Jupiter have been passionately attracted in the beginning and during their honeymoon, which lasted 300 years!
The problems arose when they had to return to the "world" and arrange their living together in the "real world". And it was an ongoing cyclic struggle, in which Juno fought for attention and respect, while Jupiter was philandering.
Now, it does not always have to be women, Jupiter here could also be occupied with a hobby, his work, health, his friends anything and you will have to find a way to share your time.
In a square aspect it could denote some clashes in that regard, a bit of bickering even.
But unlike Lilith, who also fought for equality in a relationship, Juno did not walk out on her husband, she stayed through it all (except for one time when she really has had it and left him for quite some time; then it was him who followed her and brought her back, so the game could start a new); so I think Juno is a sign of struggling for coming to an agreement WITHIN the relationship, the will to really work for it.
And in this instance it really is a soulmate and marriage asteroid, as it relates to that kind of dedication and commitment.

IN a square aspect this might be challenging at times, though.

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seeker3030
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posted March 07, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen thank you so very much!! That's just what I was looking for! It's made me calm down about the whole thing and look at the potential and the lessons that will no doubt crop up for us in this relationship.

First of all, huge sigh of relief that the Swindle aspect doesn't seem too much of a worry. That was really bothering me for some reason. We do feel as if we've known each other 'forever' or certainly for a lot longer than we have in this lifetime so the possibility that it's a karmic memory seems to bear that out.

Re the Pluto IC aspect I think (now I read about it) that that's also some of what I'm feeling - it's almost as though I feel my life is about to be sewn up by him and moulded in his fashion rather than necessarily the direction I want. Although it feels very romantic right now with him taking the lead in planning our future, I can see that that's potentially one to watch.

With the Saturn block I think although we both have this, he's the one displaying it more at the moment. He flirts. A lot! Not just with me but with other women friends of his and although I can see it's his self defence or coping mechanism of sorts. He starts to feel something intense and then immediately retreats into his comfort zone of being the charmer. He's admitted as much so it's not just me putting 2 and 2 together and making 9. Will have to see how this pans out but he said last night that he wants to distance himself from that side of his personality now he's met me. So interesting that this is then borne out by the Sun/Jupiter sq Juno which indicates jealousy/possessiveness! He's an artist so I do think that even if he manages to kerb his flirtatious tendancies with the opposite sex, I'll always be fighting slightly for attention with his work. We've already talked about marriage and definitely want a future together so that energy is beginning to make itself felt even at this early stage.

The blockage could also be the distance between us at the moment. We live about 120miles apart but he's already talking about moving to live here.

Thank you so much once again for all your help with this! It's really helped to clarify things and calm me down, despite the hard work we may have ahead. If I can do a reading for you then I'd be very happy to by way of a thank you

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posted March 09, 2012 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeing this just now, and I think Ceridwen has given a brilliant analysis, worth referring again and again

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seeker3030
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posted March 09, 2012 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeker3030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQ, yes it's fantastic isn't it!! Thanks again Ceridwen x

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Ceridwen
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posted March 10, 2012 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You`re welcome, seeker.


And thanks, IQ. oh and congrats to your banner. It looks very appealing (just as a banner should).

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