posted March 07, 2012 02:03 PM            

Swindle 8690
Lie 26955

These are two fascinating asteroids. If one was interested in a man(or woman) and had misgivings about him, one would be wise to check these asteroids. I am quite sure if a man were to swindle a woman, the asteroid would show up strongly in synastry. All things show with asteroids and down to the detail. Hence, always check this asteroid if you have misgivings about a person. Swindle connotes a plan to do evil to another.It connotes consciousness of evil intent.

The Asteroid Lie is more general. This asteroid would show a general pattern of lying rather than an intent to swindle. The Asteroid Lie will show up when someone will deceive you. They will betray you by lying. This would be more a factor of the person’s character than something you did. This asteroid would show lying only.One could not say how the lies would manifest. Hence, Asteroid Lie is a more general asteroid than Asteroid Swindle

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posted March 08, 2012 02:27 PM            

EDIT:
My LIE is on 20 Gemini in 7th house without aspects (trine to Moon by 3 degree is too wide I think).

My SWINDLE is on 25 Gemini in 7th house, exactly opposite my Sun and MErcury in SAg in 1st house and conjunct my Nessus on 28 Gemini.
Well, I definitely am opposed to lying.

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posted March 08, 2012 03:11 PM            

Well, I don`t have an abusive character, luckily.
But it`s true, the three days when Tr Sun is conjunct my Nessus, I usually feel a strong inner tension and irritation, and can easily snap at people.

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posted March 08, 2012 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by s4nd:
love that you put the numbers now!

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I KNOW. I need to do that. Any volunteers

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posted March 08, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is good we are not room mates

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LOL
Probably the bigger problem would be my aversion against the vacuumcleaner.

posted March 08, 2012 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Probably the bigger problem would be my aversion against the vacuumcleaner.

You know Sag likes to focus on the big picture, and somehow dust is not part of it.

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You are talking to an earth void here. No worries being a mess.

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posted March 08, 2012 04:23 PM            

I have my Venus in Capricorn but that is the ONLY planet I have in earth signs. I guess that makes her an elementary singleton.

posted March 08, 2012 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Completely without earth?

I have my Venus in Capricorn but that is the ONLY planet I have in earth signs. I guess that makes her an elementary singleton.

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No earth and not too much in earth houses either.Yep, that is my excuse

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posted March 08, 2012 07:38 PM            

i reduced orbs to 40 and it doesn't make a connection except a square to lie in aries h6.

posted March 09, 2012 03:47 AM            

I can also see how Lie and Swindle placements in our natal chart show how we may lie to ourselves and engage in self-sabotage (i.e., "swindle" ourselves out of opportunities.)

For example, I have Lie and Swindle in my 5th house (creativity) aspecting my ASC and 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 10th houses of possessions, communication, work, coworkers and honors.

Lie is semi-sextile my 6th house Mars and biquintile my MC in Saturn. Swindle is sextile my 3rd house Sun and Jupiter, opposition my 2nd house Venus, trine my ascendant and biquintile my MC.

Looking back, I can think of times when other people (classmates, coworkers, etc.) stole my verbal and written ideas and passed them off as their own and I didn't call them on it, opting to take the "high road" and kicking myself later. I also remember second-guessing myself and sabotaging projects that may have succeeded, had I been courageous enough to give them a chance.

posted March 11, 2012 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Swindle conjunct Saturn, but it's a three degree orb. Also square Jupiter and Pluto.

Swindle: 9*Cancer
Lie: 27*Gemini - not aspecting anything. 8th house.

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My experience with anything that conjuncts Saturn is that we struggle and struggle with it.

I have Echo conj Saturn and you know HOW hard I have struggled for my identity.

Do you struggle with Swindle

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posted March 11, 2012 11:42 AM            

My laboratory is charts that I do. I have seen a certain pattern with Saturn touching a planet or an asteroid. The planet or asteroid cannot be accessed. The person may become obsessive trying to access it. I have seen it on a number of occasions, enough to write about it and to put it out there for comment. I have seen a man with Eros conjunct Saturn conjunct the ASC. It seems like he cannot get enough of Eros, and so he moves from woman to woman, in a desperate search to quench Eros. I have seen a mother with Ceres conjunct Saturn who wanted to nurture and tried to do so, but could not. I have seen someone with Echo conjunct Saturn and the ASC. She searched for her identity, relentlessly, as if on a quest for the Holy Grail. Please, comment if you have Saturn conjunct a planet or asteroid. Thank you!

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posted March 11, 2012 12:03 PM            

With that last guy... my swindle @ Scorpio 26'14 conjunct his Union @ Scorpio 26'3, conjunct his Sun @ 25'20, conjunct his Uranus @ 25'40... His Lie @ Aquarius 22'40 conjunct Moon @ Aquarius 23'49, trine Venus @ Gemini 23'58... conjunct my Lie @ Aquarius 24'37.... Natally, he has Swindle @ Sag 27'36 conjunct Valentine Sag 27'53.

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posted March 11, 2012 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

My experience with anything that conjuncts Saturn is that we struggle and struggle with it.

I have Echo conj Saturn and you know HOW hard I have struggled for my identity.

Do you struggle with Swindle

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haha, no! I really don't. I do feel paranoid, because people tend to see me as an easy mark to blame for things, and I've had run-ins with people who would do that to me. I freak out, get really upset, and then remember that it isn't true so there's nothing to worry about.

Jiminy Cricket is the man. "Always let your conscience be your guide."

posted March 11, 2012 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lie conjunct moon. Do you have a wittle trouble with lying

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Hmmmm... ppl around me think i dun lie or i can't lie... but the truth is, lying is a hassle... one lie follows another and another... its nvr ending. Its not rational to choose lying.

posted March 12, 2012 09:32 PM            

Placements:
Nessus - 13 Can 28'49"
8690 Swindle - 14 Can 37'10"
(In between are also 1309 Hyperborea, 9500 Camelot and 14367 Hippokrates)

26955 Lie 23 Can 23'7"
BM Lilith 24 Can 24'56"
(In between these? 9133 d'Arrest and 57 Mnemosyne)

To put things in a little perspective, this is ALL in 8th house (House system doesn't really matter in this case)

Also, seems Swindle (and Nessus) square my Mars/Pluto part of the Mars/Pluto/Venus stellium in Libra, and Swindle also quincunxes Neptune in Sagittarius (1 deg. orb)

I will admit I have been deceptive at times in the past, and there is that temptation to be deceptive in order to get ahead in... ahem... romp-in-the-sack affairs. Generally, the Saturn/Sun square Ascendant I think influences (not causes) a holding back there, so consequently no one-nighters as of yet. Very unlikely in my case.

Plus (as I'm sure a few people remember from my posts in a few other threads), I've had severely (Crappy) luck in romantic matters. Come to think of it, the last one that snubbed me, in the end I felt couldn't be honest with me about not being interested (and instead being interested in my best friend). With my Nessus/Swindle placement, you'd think it would have been the other way around. Well, truthfully I didn't think it would last long if anything had happened, but was willing to give it a shot. Now I don't talk to her, and unfortunately that has reduced my willingness to go to one of my favorite bars, and one of my (formerly) usual restaurants? I won't go anymore because she works there, and I don't trust her not to do something to my order. (There were other reasons I stopped going, me figuring some of the other people working there not being truthful about their feelings about me being the major secondary reason).

As far as observing people though, I can generally sense when someone's being deceptive, yet wishful thinking and "ok self, let's not be judgmental here" (Neptune quincunx Swindle/Nessus aspect here maybe?)... One of these days I'll learn not to get burnt. (I have also had the opposite of thinking someone was being deceptive and whoops, they're being truthful).

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posted March 12, 2012 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What is Sirius?
I never used it and know nothing about it lol

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Sirius is one of the Behenian Stars, and is the brightest star in Canis Major. From http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html :

"Ambition, pride, emotionality, fame, leadership, wealth, fires, drought, danger through impetuosity. Sirius was worshipped in many cultures; its heliacal rising signalled the peak of summer, the annual flooding of the Nile and the beginning of the ancient Egyptian calendar."

Also from http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sirius.html :

"...of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians. It also gives danger of dog bites..."

And:

"...Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries or attempts on the native's life. According to tradition, Sirius will give a famous death with honors beyond the grave, if positioned in the 8th house. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This star so placed is most excellent for military, lawyers and civil servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence..."