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ariesdragon
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posted March 11, 2012 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have any info on narcissus and echo please?
It would be very helpful...
Thank you

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Ami Anne
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posted March 11, 2012 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You came to the right place as these are my favorites after my all time favorites Nessus and Dejanira

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posted March 11, 2012 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Attention: All You Echo’s—— Fire Up Your Narcissus?
By amiann | Published: March 3, 2012

With paired asteroids, each is at either end of the pole. Healthy emotion is in the middle. With Echo, she is a mealy mouth. She has lost her identity. Her life is a singular search for Narcissus. She wants to love “the other” while she languishes because she cannot love herself. In present day language, she is the co-dependent and a severe case. She pines away for a man who will never love her. She tries desperately to get him to notice her. He cannot see beyond his own ego.It is all about him, in common terms. She will look longingly at him for the rest of her days unless she can figure out how to break the dilemma. The myths have keys to healing . In paired myths such as Echo and Narcissus, the answer is found in the opposite. Echo is too polarized in lack of identity. Narcissus has “too much identity” in that he cannot see beyond his ego needs. The answer is balance. Nature loves balance. Nature hates extremes. The emotional nature is no exception. Hence, for Echo, lost in longing, she needs to find the Narcissus in herself. She needs to look in her own mirror and celebrate her beauty. She needs to run down the street naked in all her glory because she is glorious.She needs to swagger as she enters a room. She needs to say” I am here. Let the party begin.” She needs to be outrageous. She needs to celebrate herself. She does not need a Narcissus on her arm to be somebody. You ARE somebody, Echo. You are just the last to know.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mirroring—The Cure for Echo
By amiann | Published: February 7, 2012 |

Mirroring is a psychological concept. The child must be mirrored by the mother for the child to, even, see that he is a separate self. What happens to the child who is not mirrored? He may exist in a sort of nether land. He may exist in some space between people and non-people. If you have, ever, been in this space, you will recognize what I am saying. Astrologically, the asteroid Echo is the story of the unmirrored person. In the picture used to depict the myth, one sees Narcissus looking in the pool of water, admiring his own image. Echo sits off, to the side, admiring Narcissus. In the myth, Echo languishes. If one added a logical conclusion to the myth, one may see Echo dying of the grief of lack of pure, self expression . Self expression is to the psyche, what food is to the body. One may live as an autonoman. However, one will live as the walking dead. Many people do, as you can tell if you look in their eyes.

For the person fortunate enough to be mirrored, he can see himself, as he is. He has access to his emotions and his thoughts, as effortlessly as a bird winging in the sky. Many people are not so fortunate. Their lives consist of the singular search to unleash Echo and to make Echo see himself. If Saturn conjuncts Echo, you have a unique pickle, as Saturn pushes Rocky down for the count, just as Rocky tries to stand. Blessed Saturn, it demands one’s guts.When it conjuncts Echo, it seems to demands ones voice.

What is the answer for the unmirrored Echo? It would not be fair to define the problem, yet have no answer. Alice Miller provides part of the answer with her concept of the Enlightened Witness. The unmirrored person needs to see himself. That is his core problem. However, the answer is not so simple. One must find an EW. Then, one must endeavor to show one’s true face.Both are very hard. The harder of the two is to find an EW, though. Alice Miller discusses the dilemma of the unmirrored child in the book “The Drama of the Gifted Child” Alice Miller is a pioneer in the field of child abuse. If one studies all of Miller’s books, one will see a central theme. The cure for childhood abuse is self expression, genuine self expression.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroid Echo—-Sacrificial Love
By amiann | Published: January 25, 2012 |

Is Echo, lifeless without her Narcissus? Does she exist, merely to make Narcissus exist. I have seen the asteroid Narcissus drive someone to his death. His father’s Narcissus was on his Venus. Narcissus is a cruel hunter, in a seemingly innocent exterior. Narcissus looks beautiful, as in the myth. In the modern day, he may be handsome and wealthy. He has a beautiful mask, by definition. However, under the mask is smoke. That is why he needs an Echo, to buttress him up. Echo, for her turn, cannot need anything. She is punished for the simplest needs and wants, until she is content to be Cinderella, not wishing for the ball or the Prince. She may ceased to hope and dream, as she has found that these things cannot be grasped, as she has become smoke, as well.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More on Asteroid Narcissus
By amiann | Published: January 30, 2012 |

I suppose I should put all these small articles together in one. I do them this way because as I do charts, I learn more about the asteroids. With Astrology, doing is learning. There is no substitute for jumping in and doing charts. I did this early on, as a form of service to Randall and my wonderful Astrology Board, Lindaland. When I could not do much, I jumped in with what I knew. Then I forced myself to stretch, as Astrology is an infinite science. In that way, it is like the Bible. One can never plumb the depths of it. It is as if it is alive. At any rate, I wanted to write about Narcissus, as I have had more insights.

Narcissus did not allow for Echo to have any identity. To love Narcissus, Echo had to lose her identity. Hence, her name. However, even doing this did not make Narcissus love her, as Narcissus cannot love. That is the root of the myth. Echo could have sacrificed herself , unto death. It would have been as futile as Narcissus’ ability to love himself, of which he was unable. Both are ill fated characters. Each yearns for something impossible. Echo cannot have Narcissus love because Narcissus is in love with himself. Narcissus cannot, even, have his own love, as it is based on an image, not the real thing. Narcissus and Echo will, always, be linked together, in myth, but not by love which is what they wanted.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you ami xx gonna read this...

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posted March 11, 2012 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More on the Echo Asteroid
By amiann | Published: January 15, 2012 |

All the wonderful people who allow me to do their charts help me to understand the asteroids. There is precious little written on them. This is both exciting and frustrating. One must be an intrepid explorer, yet have humility in the process, as one may be wrong, and need to refine and change one’s theories. With that in mind, I would like to write more about Echo. Echo strongly placed in the chart may render the person voiceless. Voiceless is a horrible place to be. It will over ride beauty, wealth and prestige. It will force one in to the depths, as one must use one’s voice to be fully human and fully alive. Echo may not be one of the darkest asteroids, such as Nessus, but it takes a toll on personhood. Who is one, if one is nobody? Echo renders one nobody.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Echo Asteroid—Scream Your Voice
By amiann | Published: January 14, 2012 |

If you have a strong Echo placement, such as conjunct the Sun, Moon or ASC, you may be a little mouse, inside. You may not want to look at this truth, but Echo renders us voiceless. As such, we get depressed because depression is lack of personal expression, in my opinion. How does one deal with the Echo asteroid? One must scream one’s voice, not literally, of course. However, one must make oneself large, heard and center stage. I am thinking that the sign Leo is what the Echo person needs. Leo rules the fifth house, which is the house of the the self. Leo rules the stage of life when the child dances around the room and says “Look at me.” There is profound joy in the child’s discovery that he,indeed, has power to do and power to be. Echo renders that power impotent. Echo’s inner child hides in the corner, yearning to dance in the middle . The Sign of Leo is the proud lion. He may roar and show his power, but it is not with malicious intent. It is with a child- like embracing of life and his part in it

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posted March 11, 2012 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Thank you ami xx gonna read this...


You are such a blessing to me Ariesdragon--such an encourager. Thank you!

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posted March 11, 2012 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

You are such a blessing to me Ariesdragon--such an encourager. Thank you!



I am looking at someone's chart that has echo conjunct sun and narcissus conjunct mars & Venus exact. Reading your articles to see what I can put together.
And you are such beauty and grace, filled with kindness and so much to give to the world. I hope you know that ami Anne

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posted March 11, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw Ariesdragon I am having a terrible day and that helped so much!

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posted March 11, 2012 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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You are such a blessing to me Ariesdragon--such an encourager. Thank you!



I am looking at someone's chart that has echo conjunct sun and narcissus conjunct mars & Venus exact. Reading your articles to see what I can put together.
And you are such beauty and grace, filled with kindness and so much to give to the world. I hope you know that ami Anne

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Echo conj Sun may make him voiceless. He may feel he has little identity.


Narcissus conj Mars and venus.How strange he has them both so prominently. I don't usually see this. A person seems to have one or the other.

So he would have both sides of the coin as Mars is the planet of action. What are the signs of his Mars and Venus?

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posted March 11, 2012 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They're both in Scorpio lol

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posted March 11, 2012 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aw Ariesdragon I am having a terrible day and that helped so much!



Awww hugs ami and forget about the bad stay positive darling xoxo

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posted March 11, 2012 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear about your bad day, Ami. Hope you feel better.

And YOU are clearly the one to turn to in cases of Narcissus and Echo. Great job.

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posted March 11, 2012 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry to hear about your bad day, Ami. Hope you feel better.

And YOU are clearly the one to turn to in cases of Narcissus and Echo. Great job.



Thanks so much Ceri!

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posted March 11, 2012 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Awww hugs ami and forget about the bad stay positive darling xoxo


Thanks so much Ariesdragon. I feel better. I just needed a some positive strokes. You guys lifted me up

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posted March 11, 2012 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you're feeling better ami sometimes I get a heavy feeling reading on some of the asteroids lol so I have to take a breather

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posted March 11, 2012 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Glad you're feeling better ami sometimes I get a heavy feeling reading on some of the asteroids lol so I have to take a breather

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