posted March 17, 2012 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by strawberrysundae:
Possessiveness is not love
Jealousy is not love
Lust is not love
Fear is not love
Keeping people all to yourself is not love
Expecting something from someone is not love
Real, true love is unconditional.
To love someone unconditionally means that you love the person exactly as they are, exactly as they were before, and exactly as they will be in the future – because people change all the time, so if you love the person, you will love them even if they become something you disagree with.
Unconditional love is spiritual.
Theguide2.com

Amor is love

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posted March 18, 2012 01:56 AM            

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AMOR
Amor is named after the Roman god of love, better known as Cupid, and Eros is Cupid's Greek counterpart. It represents idealized love, a love not necessarily of this earth. Love as felt idealistically and romantically. Unconditional love, how you express it. Amor is not particularly sexual in expression, but radiates warmth and a sense of "Agape" or a love that is given without an expectation of receiving. The house where Amor is found is where the person expects to express this kind of love. The pain of an afflicted Amor can involve disillusionment over this altruistic love not being returned, or there may be something else one wants that will result in the denial of love. AMOR will sincerely weep in aguish at the loss of the dead one. AMOR may even tell the murderer to shoot him in instead.

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It has been mentioned in some posts before that Valentine aspects are more towards true love that will sacrifies anything.

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VALENTINE
VALENTINE - type of true love that is ready to sacrifices everything, even life for the loved one. The instinctive edge to sacrifice is Valentine
VALENTINE by house, sign and ruler seems to provide a very accurate description of that which one finds most admirable, most inspirational and values most highly in life.

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posted March 18, 2012 02:01 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Okie, this is what I have in my notes from reading from websites and posts on Lindaland. Hehe... I am a romantic girl at heart with my Moon-Venus-Mars Grand Trine, thus all thes research on love asteroids.

It has been mentioned in some posts before that Valentine aspects are more towards true love that will sacrifies anything.

[QUOTE][b]VALENTINEVALENTINE - type of true love that is ready to sacrifices everything, even life for the loved one. The instinctive edge to sacrifice is Valentine
VALENTINE by house, sign and ruler seems to provide a very accurate description of that which one finds most admirable, most inspirational and values most highly in life.

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posted March 18, 2012 07:16 AM            

Amor is very loving, but more in a compassionate way, than strictly romantic or sexual.
Though coupled with the right asteroids or planets, it of course gets much more romantic than on its own.

posted March 18, 2012 07:59 AM            

The general orientation is a compassionate, gentle, allencompassing love, but coupled with some emotional grounding and stability. All in all it is a very calm combination - Pisces and Taurus, with an emphasis on emotional belonging, security and sensuality.

Sun trine Pluto brings a harmonious emotional transformational vibe into the mix. Since the trine is in watersigns, it runs very deep.

Moon interestingly conjuncts Chiron, but that is just for the noon position, the conjunction might not really be valid.
But if it is, there is a theme of emotional healing or healing through emotions here (I emphasize the healing-theme because Chiron is not afflicted, but instead intersects the Sun-Pluto-trine by being sextile to Sun and Pluto).

Sabian for the Sun:
A Prophet Carrying Tablets Of The New Law Is Walking Down The Slopes Of Mount Sinai

emphasizes the relevance of this asteroid in spiritual terms.

I am not sure how to integrate Pluto`s Sabian here:

A Famous Singer Is Proving Her Virtuosity During An Operatic Performance

But in the very least it is symbolic of success.

I think NN, Karma and Destinn might point to the purpose and direction.

NN on 26 Pisces conjunct Vesta - pure dedication to a spiritual purpose; it seems Amor`s purpose lies in unification, oneness; the fact that Destinn is conjunct Neptune, the NN-ruler emphasizes that even more.

Sabian of NN
(my Dr ASC. lol)
The Harvest Moon Illumines A Clear Autumnal Sky

It is a sign of clarity, emotional (Moon!) beauty, abundance and fertility. I get a very calm and serene feeling from that.

DESTINN`s Sabian is:
An expressionist painter at work

and Neptune`s Sabian is:
A Harem.

Not totally sure what that means, but so far to me it seems like this asteroid is not about exclusivity (a harem); it is about unifying, but not necessarily in a one on one relationship. (though it doesn`t exclude this either). But to me it seems the main point is about understanding that "All is one", a love that is spreading into the collective,a s it cannot be contained, and as such has enormous healing powers. A love like shared in a (soul)family, idealistically?

Let`s look at Karma:
During A Silent Hour, A Man Receives A New Inspiration Which May Change His Life

Again the emphasis of a spiritual theme

Then we have one soulmate pair in conjunction; ISIS and OSIRIS - the mature soulmate pair, in passionate transformative Scorpio, thus linking to the Pluto trine to Sun.

The Sabian of this pair is:
A Delicate Bottle Of Perfume Lies Broken, Releasing Its Fragrance

and
A Youth Carries A Lighted Candle In A Devotional Ritual

Again a very spiritual Sabian, I also think this might point to a more sexual expression of soulmate love (Osiris-Sabian). In the very least it means that emotions cannot be contained or held back, they are flowing freely.

This opposes Venus
The Pot Of Gold At The End Of The Rainbow

A Sabian that promises happiness at the end of a quest.

I thinkt he "quest" might have to do with Saturn being squaring this opposition.

The unconditional love will be tested, karmically so probably.
Saturn`s Sabian
An Unexpected Thunderstorm

The lovers might not see it coming, but obstacles, often from the outside or from the past or even based on personal fears, will test their love for each other, sometimes even thwart it, as we are living in very "conditional times".
I think only true soulmates (Isis-Osiris) might be able to stand the test of time.

There is another soulmate pairing here:
Pluto quinkunx Proserpina
Another transformational one (well all soulmate pairs are, but this has the ability to take you to hell and back again - literally).
The quinkunx showing that adjustments have to be made.

Proserpina`s Sabian:
A Large White Dove Bearing A Message

promising success though, if you are open to the message.

VALENTINE trines NN exactly, thus emphasising that true love is the name of the game here.

Valentine`s Sabian
Guests Are Reading In The Library Of A Luxurious Home

There is a very refined sense to this kind of love, again giving more of a calm and gentle vibe, than being wildly passionate.

posted March 18, 2012 10:44 AM            

First of all we have a fixed Sun-Moon-combination. Sun in Scorpio, Moon in Leo.
The passion with this one runs deep.

Sun on the Sabian of 3-4 Scorpio
A Youth Carries A Lighted Candle In A Devotional Ritual

So this one also seems to be quite deep,spiritual, even mystical.

The NN is on 21 Sag conjunct Saturn on 20 Sag, there is something pretty karmic about its purpose and probably striving to be long lasting.

KARMA on 13 Pisces trine Venus on 14 Scorpio, with Venus being conjunct Jupiter on 17 Scorpio.
First of all the Pisces-Scorpio-connection is speaking of deep feelings involved, with Venus, the goddess of love being involved, it certainly is hinting at romance, and the conjunction to Jupiter, expands the feelings even more.

Now to the Sabians
Karma: A Lady Wrapped In A Large Stole Of Fox Fur
It`s a bit of a sexualized Sabian, hinting at animal magnetism, as well as presenting a good image.

Venus: Children Playing Around Five Mounds Of Sand

Jupiter: A Path Through Woods Brilliant With Multicolored Splendor

(and Mercury, as it is conjunct Jupiter:
A Woman Draws Away Two Dark Curtains Closing The Entrance To A Sacred Pathway)

It`s appearing like a quite positive image, with more than a hint at sexual interest (the Mercury-Sabian fits in there quite well, too).

As for possible soulmate pairings:
There is no aspect between ISIS and OSIRIS, but interestingly the Sun falls onto the far midpoint of Isis/Osiris, which I think miht be important.
The Sun also widely trines Osiris and more closely trines Isis.
So it seems that Isis and Osiris are very strongly connected to this asteroids identity. Again, the watersigns (emotional connection, soul) are being emphasized.

Sabian of ISIS:
A Man On A Magic Carpet Hovers Over A Large Area Of Land

I don`t know how others see this Sabian, but for me it seems to indicate the possibility of astral travel.

Sabian of OSIRIS:
A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight
Imo one of the most beautful and serene Sabians, and again the Moon (emotions) plays a role here

Neptune is on the further midpoint of EROS/PSYCHE, though they do not aspect each other themselves. (they are widely quintile though with an orb of 1.28)

EROS: Hunters Shooting Wild Ducks

PSYCHE: A Deserter From The Navy

Quite some strong Sabians, with a hint of violence. I guess this could allude to the need to be brave and even willing to sacrifice certain things in order to be with your true love. Plus it might allude to a bit of chasing-attitude. Passion certainly runs high with Eros on that Sabian.
And Psyche will have to desert a familiar environment and maybe break a few rules.

The long description of the Psyche Sabian is: A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY STANDS SUDDENLY AWARE OF A DAWNING TRUTH: FREEDOM IS NEVER THE RESULT OF COMPROMISE

Sometimes love demands the courage to stand true to your loved one even in the face of social pressure.

Now the midpoint of Eros and Psyche is exactly on the GC, which gives both a lot of energy, and it is opposite Neptune precise. The orb is: 0°00.

Sabian of Neptune is: A Gypsy Emerging From The Forest Wherein Her Tribe Is Encamped

No, I don´t think a Valentine-type of love will ever be subdued, succumb to social restrictions. There is a surprisingly strong element of fighting, and asserting here (including Valentine itself being in Aries).

And last we have Pluto exactly sextile Proserpina, with trines / opposition to Destinn.

Destinn: A big businessman at his desk
Inherent in Valentine-love is the need to make big decisions, with far reaching consequences. Everything seems to point to that so far.

Pluto: The Head Of A Robust Youth Changes Into That Of A Mature Thinker

Proserpina: A Volunteer Church Choir Singing Religious Hymns

I think a Valentine-type of love might have a very exciting element to it and happen quite suddenly

posted March 18, 2012 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The difference betweeen Amor and Valentine seems to be that Valentine is a bit more romantic (like Valentines-day-romantic I mean).

Amor is very loving, but more in a compassionate way, than strictly romantic or sexual.
Though coupled with the right asteroids or planets, it of course gets much more romantic than on its own.

Though I am not COMPLETELY sold on this. I`d like IQ`s input on this.

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Thanks Ceri. I think I remember IQ saying Amor was more in terms of a general state of love not attached to sexuality or passion.

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posted March 18, 2012 10:59 AM            

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posted March 18, 2012 11:02 AM            

SOOTYO on 19 Cancer opposes SOOMANA on 20 Capricorn
(Sootyo is hopi for Starboy, and Soomana means Stargirl)

posted March 18, 2012 11:04 AM            

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plx5HLi7HHs

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posted March 18, 2012 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Great job everyone! Now we'll see what IQ will add
When he gets back.

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posted March 19, 2012 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Isn`t that a quote from the connection about Mars with certain asteroids?

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