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posted April 10, 2012 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mnemosyne conjunct pluto exact
Ariadne conjunct venus & Mercury 1 degree
Please give me your wisdom on these
An interpretation for both men and women please. Thank you.

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posted April 10, 2012 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dead souls drank from Lethe so they would not remember their past lives when reincarnated. Initiates were encouraged to drink from the river Mnemosyne when they died, instead of Lethe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemosyne

The faculty of memory was so important to the ancients that it was personified as a goddess. In Greek cosmogony Mnemosyne was the daughter of Uranus and Gaia, a pre-Olympian goddess who characterized Memory. Being one of the original deities Mnemosyne is the custodian of memory.
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posted April 11, 2012 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Namaste

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posted April 11, 2012 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mnemosyne conjunct Pluto would be a a high probability of past life or race memory recall once the spiritual transformation process is initiated by a Pluto Transit.

I have not studied Ariadne yet, will have to look into it.

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posted April 11, 2012 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Ariadne you also need to look up Dionysos / Bacchus.

After Theseus deserted Ariadne and left her heartbroken on Naxos (she had served her purpose in his eyes, though she was deeply in love with him), one day Bacchus/Dionysos found her sleeping and fell instantly in love with her. It took a while, but eventually she fell for him as well, after her emotional wounds had healed, and they got married. Actually Dionysos made her an immortal after her death and the star constellation Corona Borealis is said to hae been her wedding crown, thrown at the night sky to make it eternal.


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posted April 11, 2012 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The Love Story of Ariadne and Dionysus
The Greek myth of Ariadne offers hope to all who have felt the sting of love rejected. It tells of triumph after defeat, of sweetest success after the harshest sorrow.

Princess Ariadne, daughter of King Minos of Crete, helped Theseus slay her monstrous half-brother, known as the Minotaur, by teaching him to use a golden thread as a path within the labyrinth where the Minotaur lived. Deep within that dark maze where no man or woman had ever survived the Minotaur’s savagery, Theseus killed the monster, then followed the gold thread to freedom. When he emerged triumphant from the labyrinth, Theseus claimed Ariadne for his own. They escaped from Crete upon a waiting ship, running from crowds of citizens angered by Theseus’s murder of their half-bull/half-human prince.

As they sailed the world, Ariadne was certain she had won the heart of the hero in return for her brilliance, her loyalty, and her love. After all, she had betrayed those closest to her to save Theseus. When Theseus finally brought their ship to the faraway island of Naxos, Ariadne thought they would live there forever in bliss. Instead, he abandoned her upon the island, sailing off without an apology. Such was her thanks for saving him.

Alone, Ariadne forgot her triumph as the untangler of the labyrinth. She was Ariadne the forsaken, Ariadne the foolish, rather than Ariadne the beloved of Theseus. At first, the heartbroken princess wept. Then she thought of killing herself out of shame and sorrow. But the Muses took pity upon Ariadne. They hovered around the poor girl as soft as winds, and whispered into her ear of a worthier love and a loftier fate. This made no sense to the girl, for she could not see beyond her abandonment by Theseus.

But soon Ariadne saw a bronze chariot appear on the horizon. The Muses whispered it held a new bridegroom for Ariadne, the man she was fated to love. As the chariot drew closer, Ariadne saw it was draped in vines and clusters of ripe grapes—for this chariot was driven by Dionysus, god of divine intoxication, who loved Ariadne for her passionate bravery and loyalty.

Ariadne’s heart was immediately healed by Dionysus’s admiration and loving embrace. She soon forgot about Theseus and accepted her happy fate. Dionysus and Ariadne were wed. Made a goddess by love, Ariadne lived forever with her immortal husband in ecstatic triumph.


Content © 2007 and adapted from The Lover's Path Tarot. "
http://www.museumoflove.org/pages/ariadne.html


In synastric aspect Ariadne/Dionysos-Bacchus may represent the soulmatecouple of a "second chance".

EDIT:
In my own chart ARIADNE on 8.2 Scorpio conjunct TYCHE on 10.2 Scorpio conjunct BACCHUS on 13.5 Scorpio

(with Tyche being right on another conjunction, the one of MARY-9 Scorpio and JESSIE - 10 Scorpio)

and DIONYSOS is on the mirrordegree / antiscion/ solstice point of ARIADNE and TYCHE. (and of course conjunct my Moon and opposing my MARIA. lol)


And as a matter of fact this has come up as a prediction for myself during an astrological analysis. So this myth feels quite "personal". But then it probably would to anyone who had to let go of love once. And who hasn´t?


Also I checked the synastry and composite with the "usual suspects" plus my youngest brother.
And in EACH and EVERY case an aspect between Ariadne and Bacchus/Dionysos appeared either in synastry or in composite.

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posted April 11, 2012 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks IQ
Ceri thanks too
I guess the ariadne, mercury & venus conjunction
would mean that even though there is the going through loss, embarrassment, deceit. Ariadne has to remember herself and not take on a relationship like it was her identity. Anyway just throwing it out there for anyone else who wants to check Ariadne...thanks for including the story Ceri

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posted April 12, 2012 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri said it best

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posted April 12, 2012 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Ceri said it best

Lol I know but then I'd have to add Dionysus to make sense of it all IQ and the aspects were with Venus and mercury not Dionysus.

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posted April 12, 2012 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
For Ariadne you also need to look up Dionysos / Bacchus.

After Theseus deserted Ariadne and left her heartbroken on Naxos (she had served her purpose in his eyes, though she was deeply in love with him), one day Bacchus/Dionysos found her sleeping and fell instantly in love with her. It took a while, but eventually she fell for him as well, after her emotional wounds had healed, and they got married. Actually Dionysos made her an immortal after her death and the star constellation Corona Borealis is said to hae been her wedding crown, thrown at the night sky to make it eternal.


I loved Ariadne's story Ceri, this is why I made a thread to ask IQ about the conjunction. I was especially curious of her conjunction to my mom's venus and mercury.
Unfortunately IQ did not know about Ariadne. So I cannot get any other info on just those conjunctions by itself. I could check if Ariadne makes any aspects to Dionysus and Bachus also... Thank you.

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posted April 12, 2012 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ariadne on her own might also symbolize someone who is supportive of those she loves, but very well capable of deserting friends or families if she is in love (after all Theseus was an enemy of her family).

But more important than that is the fact that she used her intelligence and wit to help him find his way back out of the labyrinth and then she went with him. There is a clear sacrificial element to her as well. She is willing to risk everything, including her home, for the one she loves.

Maybe, since Theseus simply took advantage of her love and willingness to help him and deserted her then, she might also represent someone who might not always be able to judge if the object of her affection / love is really worth her love.

On the other hand it took a while for her to trust Dionysos who really loved her (though after her treatment through Theseus that was understandable I think).

It is interesting though that Dionysos, despite being related to drunkenness and excesses of any kind, including orgies, after marrying Ariadne stayed faithful and loving towards her. Their images on a sarkophagus were also considered being symbols of conjugal fidelity and survival of love after death.


I found this on Ariadne: http://www.astrosynthesis.com.au/articles/16%20A%20Published%20Articles%20Goddess.pdf

"Patterns in Family and Relationship
Betrayal
Awakening
Transformation
Soul Mate
Labyrinth

Ariadne’s story plumbs the depths of the water houses. She leaves the familial terrain of the 4th house to be abandoned by her lover in the labyrinth of the 8th but awakens to her divine connection in the 12th. Neptune aspects to Venus or Mars may highlight these themes. Ariadne’s process is revealed with transits to planets in the 8th house or Pluto transiting Venus or Mars."


You were asking about Mnemosyne and Cassandra I believe?

from the same link

"Memory
Creativity
Inspiration
Music, Poetry and the Arts
Story Telling
Imagining

The Moon records, reflects and reveals every heartbeat, breath and nuance of primitive life therefore the progressed Moon evokes memory as it progresses through the horoscope. Aspects between the Moon and Mercury as well as other planets aspecting these planetary archetypes reveal the process of feeling and rational memory


Cassandra
Prophecy
Clairvoyance and Mediumship
Disbelief
Chaos
Cassandra revels in the world of Neptune – the archetype of the medial woman. Aspects between Mercury and Neptune, or Mercury in Pisces reflect Cassandra. Interconnections between Jupiter and Pluto may also ignite a similar pattern"


On Ariadne:
"Leaving home.
Ariadne represents the marriage to the divine after the trials of betrayal and abandonment."


and

"Blinded by her passions Ariadne had been complicit in her abandonment. In betraying her family to follow her hero she had set the cycle of betrayal in motion. Projecting her heroic self onto Theseus had left her separated from her own centre. Alone Ariadne was forced to connect with her internal world. At this threshold Ariadne experienced an epiphany of Aphrodite the goddess who ignited the passionate fires that led to her suffering. Appearing to Ariadne the goddess revealed her true fate: she would wed her real soul mate, the divine Dionysus. Dionysus celebrated their sacred marriage by offering Ariadne the crown as the symbol of their intimacy and eternal union.

myth portrays the heart’s painful journey when connection to the inner self is severed and sacrificed to the lover. Ariadne followed her lover’s course rather than her own internal labyrinthine journey losing her genuine direction. Using the thread, the symbolic connection to her inner core, to serve the hero Ariadne lost contact with her own inner wisdom. Abandoned she was no longer able to define herself exclusively through a partner; therefore a more authentic sense of self could emerge. The painful process of confronting her naïve trust and blind faith in Theseus enabled her renewal and redemption. In psychological terms a more divine sense of union is possible when projections onto the other are consciously relinquished. Dionysus embodies a woman’s masculine spirit enabling her to define herself in terms of her own needs and not through someone else.
When this card is chosen it reveals the course of the heart encouraging the individual to acknowledge that the threads to their inner self are tenuous and must be honoured in relationship. On a divinatory level the card suggests an awakening after a period of loss or betrayal. A deeper connection in relationship is possible. Ariadne celebrates a more intimate connection with the heart, whether that is through a personal relationship, a new creative endeavour or a new course of life. On an oracular level Ariadne appears when it is imperative to reflect on the course of a relationship to discover its authenticity.
Feminine Wisdom: Abandonment is an archetypal process that strips away the mind’s illusions in order to hear the calling of the true self. Confronted by the painful reality of being left the individual is forced to relinquish their hopes and fantasies in order to awaken to the authentic path of the heart. Ariadne embodies the soul in relationship that must first experience the painful course of the labyrinth before a divine connection can be realised."


Let me add, that I think she and Dionysos / Bacchus absolutely belong to the soulmate pairings.

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posted April 12, 2012 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Ceri that's what I'm talking about! Great info...I mean AMAZING info!

"It is interesting though that Dionysos, despite being related to drunkenness and excesses of any kind, including orgies, after marrying Ariadne stayed faithful and loving towards her. Their images on a sarkophagus were also considered being symbols of conjugal fidelity and survival of love after death"

That is greatly written ^^ by ~Ceridwen~
The soulmate aspect now has my attention. I will check my mom and the love of her life. Thank you Ceri, like I said you are wonderful Just exactly what we need in this forum. Someone who knows their stuff http://youtu.be/R8HjwlUWuLU

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posted April 12, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri I'm sorry that a lot of your questions to IQ haven't been answered. Having said that, let me say you know how to get at the interpretation when you are focused. xhugsx

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posted April 12, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And this is EXACTLY true Ceri
Ariadne on her own might also symbolize someone who is supportive of those she loves, but very well capable of deserting friends or families if she is in love (after all Theseus was an enemy of her family).
But more important than that is the fact that she used her intelligence and wit to help him find his way back out of the labyrinth and then she went with him. There is a clear sacrificial element to her as well. She is willing to risk everything, including her home, for the one she loves.

Maybe, since Theseus simply took advantage of her love and willingness to help him and deserted her then, she might also represent someone who might not always be able to judge if the object of her affection / love is really worth her love.

On the other hand it took a while for her to trust Dionysos who really loved her (though after her treatment through Theseus that was understandable I think).

Blend this with my mom's venus & mercury conjunction and that shows the type of lady she is when in-love. How wonderful

P.S I would say this excludes deserting ones own children though.

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posted April 12, 2012 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ariadne represents the marriage to the divine after the trials of betrayal and abandonment."

This ^^ reminds me of Queen Elizabeth the 1st
She had her heart broken very badly by Lord Robert and married her country of England and no man. When she took her last breath she called out "Robert" Very empowering for all the women. Now Ariadne whom already was a Goddess marries Dionysus and he gives her a crown in the heavens made out of stars.

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posted April 12, 2012 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
"Ariadne represents the marriage to the divine after the trials of betrayal and abandonment."

This ^^ reminds me of Queen Elizabeth the 1st
She had her heart broken very badly by Lord Robert and married her country of England and no man. When she took her last breath she called out "Robert" Very empowering for all the women. Now Ariadne whom already was a Goddess marries Dionysus and he gives her a crown in the heavens made out of stars.



I think I will call out Gaston's name with my last breath. I hate that guy

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posted April 12, 2012 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, AD, though I must say you spoil me with kindness and compliments. My head might get so big it could explode.


Ami,

I know this is silly,b ut everytime you mention the name Gaston, I have to think of the scene in the musical "Beauty and the Beast", when GAston has his entrance.

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posted April 12, 2012 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL you 2 ladies are so funny and such jokers U guys rock! xhugsx oh and yes Gaston is the perfect name for him lol

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posted April 12, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Ceri
Jerry named him.
Love you guys

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