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Peri
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posted October 28, 2007 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.karmastrology.com/NewPlanets/Sedna-meaning.shtml

Sedna is beautiful young Inuit woman living with her father. She has turned down all requests for marriage, but one day a handsome well-dressed stranger arrives and she winds up marrying him. After she paddles off to his island, he reveals himself to be not a human but a fulmar, a birdman, and all his promises of a fine life are lies. Sedna is forced to live in a cold smelly nest of twigs with no food to speak of.

Her father eventually discovers her plight and paddles off to rescue her. But as father and daughter are paddling back home, the bird man and his relatives fly in to attack their kayak. In the course of the battle, Sedna falls into the ocean. As she struggles to get back in the kayak, her father, in an attempt to save himself, cuts off her fingers one by one as she tries to grasp the edge of the boat.

Sedna then falls into the frigid Arctic water and drowns. Her fingers become the fishes, the seals, the walrus, and the whales, and she sinks to the bottom of the ocean where she becomes the goddess who provides the food for the tribe. She is a strict goddess. If the tribe obeys her rules and treats the fish, seals, walrus, and whales with respect, she provides the ocean animals as food.

However, if the tribe disobeys and does not respect her rules for proper treatment of the animals she withdraws the food. The tribal shaman at that point is required to travel to the bottom of the sea to appease the goddess and find out what corrections the tribe must make to get the food back.

No, it’s not a pretty story, and we need to look at Rudhyar’s system of analysis to put this rather chilling myth in context. In his book, The Astrology of Transformation, Rudhyar says that the energies represented by every planet may be manifested and used in one of three more or less distinct fashions, which some have quickly (and loosely) described as density, journey of liberation, and enlightenment. I usually describe the three as beginners (mired in density and a majority of the population right now), intermediate (the seekers on their spiritual journey), and spiritual (which makes more sense to me than enlightenment).

For example, the energy of Mars can be manifest as quarrels and fights (beginners, density), climbing to a mountain retreat to take yoga lessons (intermediate, journey of liberation), or awakening kundalini and living peacefully (spiritual). It’s all Mars, but just at different levels. Rudhyar says we have to work through the three levels of each planet in our chart, and some days (and lifetimes!) are better than others for each planet.

Once we understand the three levels of Sedna and her place in the Great Year cycle, she makes sense as a planetary energy in the natal chart. The beginners level for Sedna, or for those buried in density, is victimization. Indeed, many in the pagan tradition call Sedna the goddess of the victim. At this unevolved level, a person can either be a victim or a victimizer. Check with your local social worker for appropriate horror stories. If my astrological clientele is any indication, the victimization is often for no good or apparent reason. The individual just gets dumped on. As the old saying goes, **** happens.

At the intermediate level, the energy represented by Sedna both follows Rudhyar’s schema but also departs from it. Rudhyar says that after a period of time or lifetimes, the individual gets fed up with the garbage of the beginners level, and makes a decisions to do whatever is necessary to break free of the recurring garbage. This in turn results in the individual beginning what is a great journey of liberation. Rudhyar doesn’t actually describe the journey, but anyone acquainted with Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey, knows the plot line. It is the greatest adventure of them all, the journey out of density to the light. (Ninth house people love this stuff. Check in with one of them for details.)

Yes, at the intermediate level, the energy represented by Sedna does involve letting go the density of victimization and taking a journey to the light. But, where Rudhyar correctly observes in the inner and outer planets that the decision to set off on the journey is free choice, in the case of Sedna, no free choice exists. Now pause for a moment and let this one sink in. Sedna is in a new category of planet, and the rules are a little different. There is no free choice. Let’s look at the myth. Sedna had no choice but to die. She was betrayed and killed by her father. But she became an immortal, the goddess of the ocean.

At the intermediate level, Sedna represents the energy which forces us, whether we wish it or not, to let go of our mortality and accept our immortality. Please understand this does not mean anyone is going to die. This is an emotional and psychic reference point. It is a state of consciousness. Are we merely a mortal who will die and disappear after a few years? Or are we an immortal soul, who just happens to be having a temporary adventure in the material plane? Sedna at the intermediate level represents that life experience which forces us to answer no to the first question and yes to the second question.

Here’s the curious part. While we seem to have little or no choice over being put in a situation which requires us to produce the correct answer to the two questions above, we can decide to make the situation an easier one rather than a tougher one. My early observation with clients over the last year leads me to this preliminary conclusion. Trines and sextiles (and no oppositions and squares) to Sedna predispose one to the easier circumstances. Conversely those with oppositions and squares (and no trines and sextiles) are inclined to do it the hard way. A mix of hard and soft aspects could go either way.

Note that predispositions are just that. They are not certainties. This is where we as astrologers can really help our clients by pointing out to them that they are facing a couple of tough questions in their current life, and the client might wish to put some thought into the questions before life circumstances (like heavy duty transits!) force them to think about it in an unpleasant situation.

It’s at the spiritual, or top level that Sedna (and any other planet for that matter) becomes quite wonderful. Rudhyar says it is our goal to get every planet in our chart working at the spiritual level. If that sounds like a big job, well we do have as many incarnations as we need to complete it.

It is common for manifestation of the spiritual level of a planet to bear little resemblance to the earlier, lower levels, and Sedna is no different. Again we need to look at Sedna’s myth. At the end of the myth, Sedna is the immortal, the goddess who feeds the tribe. Given her brutal treatment, one could easily understand her going off and letting the tribe go rot. But not so. She sticks around and provides for the tribe. Nonetheless, there is a catch. The tribe had better treat the animals of the ocean well, and not mess around or she will withdraw the food. In other words, she is the provider and caretaker, but she is a very no-nonsense caretaker. The key here is her no-nonsense attitude. The energy of Sedna manifesting at the spiritual level represents the no–nonsense caretaker of humanity. Compassion with a hard edge, if you will, but a hard edge for good reason.

Now let’s put all the pieces together. We stand at the end of a 25,770-year cycle of evolution of humanity, and if today’s newspaper is any indication, things are a mess. But we simultaneously stand at the edge of a new 25,770-year cycle of human evolution where maybe, just maybe, we could get it right. Enter Sedna, whose message is: get it right in the way you treat this planet or pay the consequences.

So how does the individual do that? Easy. We just look at the house position of Sedna in the natal chart. Houses are easy to understand. They are simply areas of human activity. Which house is Sedna in? That is the area of human activity where the individual must deal with the Sedna energy. Aspects from the lower planets (yes the inner and outer planets are lower planets to Sedna) will mediate, mitigate, and in some cases mess up Sedna, but look at the house. It’s the house that counts.

For instance, Sedna in the 7th house is crystal clear to me now. I’ve seen several individuals with retrograde Sedna in the 7th house, squares and oppositions to Sedna, and no trines or sextiles. In each case, victimization in relationships prior to first Saturn return was a major life issue to overcome. The situation tormented them until they let go their attachment to the dysfunction, their victim identity, and found their immortal identity, their soul, within. By the time they arrived to see me for their reading, all they needed was to be informed of their destiny to be the no–nonsense caretaker of humanity in one-on-one settings. At that point, a light lit up inside them.

By contrast, those with a direct Sedna in the 7th house and just trines and sextiles, had no history of abuse and victimization, and would not countenance any such behaviour by others in their life. Period. Full stop. End discussion. But they still needed to hear about their role as caretaker of humanity, and yes the light lit up inside.

We’re still in early days with Sedna, and there is much to learn. For instance, I’m seeing both the 6th and 10th houses similarly so far. The difference between being victimized in a job (6th house) or a career (10th house) has not been singularly evident. Usually a job or career change is required to get to the intermediate stage of the Sedna energy, often forced if hard aspects are presents without the soft aspects to mitigate. The soft aspects tend to make the career change much, much easier.

So the rule of thumb is the affairs of the house in which natal Sedna is located are where a person either suffers victimization, or simply does not allow victimization if that lesson has been learned in this or a previous life. It is also the area of life where experience will force a person to let go their attachment to mortality. But the gift to the world is that once this process of growth is complete, the house placement of Sedna is where the person can assist the planet and humanity in a time of great change by doing their bit to be the caretaker of humanity.

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posted April 12, 2009 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 13, 2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting that stuff on Sedna. I find it so interesting that I felt the need to show it to a friend of mine who has a stationary Sedna,and so has a strong Sedna influence.

my own Sedna is strong with it being
oppose my Sun with 3'15 orb but,it is 44 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.
It sextiles my Moon with 1'05 orb, but it is 39 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.
Sun,Moon,Sedna Wedge configuration.
http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/?action=view¤t=SunMoonSednaWedge-1.gif
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/RightAscensionSunMoonSednaWedge.gif


It is also in 11th harmonic isosceles trapezoid with Mercury,Saturn,and Uranus with corresponding midpoint pictures of Mercury oppose Saturn/Sedna with 16 minutes of arc,Sedna oppose Mercury/Uranus midpoint with 17 minutes of arc,and Mercury/Sedna midpoint conjunct Saturn/Uranus midpoint with 1 minute of arc.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/11thHarmonicIsoscelesTrapezoid-1.gif

It is also in 12th harmonic isosceles trapezoid with corresponding midpoint pictures of Sedna square Neptune/Pluto midpoint with 46 minutes of arc, Neptune sesquiquadrate Pluto/Sedna midpoint with 19 minutes of arc,Sedna semisquare Moon/Pluto midpoint with 5 minutes of arc, and Moon/Neptune midpoint oppose Pluto/Sedna midpoint with 1'01 orb.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/12thHarmonicIsoscelesTrapezoid-1.gif

my retrograde Sedna in Taurus in 8th.

I felt victimized by psychiatrists with their misdiagnoses,labels.

that factored into my being a neurodiversity advocate, and now I want to be a holistic practitioner and astrologer that specializes in neurodivergence. I want to create a nonprofit neurodiversity organization. I created Astrology of Neurodivergence Tribe.


I also know that it's very important for me to be spiritually oriented and compassionate, and that I am much better off with a spiritually oriented,compassionate woman as a significant other.


btw...you posted this thread on the day of my solar return for 2007. Very interesting.
It turned out to be one of the worst solar return periods. Meghann broke up with me during that solar return period.


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posted April 13, 2009 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Metatron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, i agree this sedna stuff is great, but i think i'll have to read that post once more cuz i don't think i got it copletely hehe. However reaching that third stage of spiritual awareness with sedna and all the other planets seems very meaningful to me. Especially with Sedna to work towards the goal of becoming the caretaker of earth is really an amazing undertaking.

I have my Sedna conjuncting my DC within one degree. Its in my 6th though. Probably has an effect in both houses, however stronger influence on the 7th since its on the cusp.

I'm not quite sure how to interpret this placement though, does it has to do with victimization of somekind concerning relationships, personal, work and friendly ones? In what way would that manifest itself in general? Well is that even a strong placement?

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posted April 16, 2009 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
node, great photo! it looks like an avenging owl!!

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posted April 16, 2009 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like what Roy MacKinnon wrote about Sedna. He has Sun conjunct Sedna within 1 degree. http://www.bristolschoolofastrology.com/sedna_.19.html


Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it. http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html#Sedna


Sedna is definitely strongly placed when conjunct an angle (Ascendant,Descendant,Midheaven,Imum Coeli)

"I'm not quite sure how to interpret this placement though, does it has to do with victimization of somekind concerning relationships, personal, work and friendly ones? In what way would that manifest itself in general? Well is that even a strong placement?"

it doesn't have to be a victim. You can use Sedna for spirituality,higher consciousness,compassion...especially for the people that are outside the norm in some way.


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I have Sedna in Taurus in the 12th CONJ my Mercury in Taurus. Mercury is my chart ruler - I have no idea what that means interpretation wise. Sedna widely squares my Cancer Moon.

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posted April 19, 2009 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just knew when I read Glaucus' synopsis that it was angular in my chart (notwithstanding it being slow moving). My Sedna sits in my 1st house (3 deg Tau) and it is square my Sun/Mercury (both 2 deg Aqu). Otherwise, it very, very loosely (and I wouldn't count this) falls in the empty part of my t-square (Uranus 6 deg Sco, Saturn 29 deg Cancer).

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Thank you Peri and Raymond for sharing your knowledge.

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Peri
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posted June 16, 2009 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As a preliminary definition, this is how Sedna appears to work with personal planets,especially in the hard aspects.

Sedna/Sun–You have difficulty understanding why you can’t find your “place” in the world. Your ego drives seem to miss the mark over and over again, where you either go too far, or not far enough in achieving personal goals.

Sedna/Moon–You have difficulty understanding what it takes to build reciprocal intimate relationships in which you give and get emotional support in equivalent portions. You end up with giving more than you should and don’t ask for support when you need it. You may have difficulty forming and sustaining intimate relationships outside the family you grew up with, but you don’t understand why you never “found the right one.”

Sedna/Venus–You have difficulty in understanding what you can expect in terms of financial support. You let your partner slide on the bills, taking them on yourself, then wonder why you are in debt all the time. Or your partner has a primary control over the finances, and you are left with your nose pressed against the window, scrambling to find a way to finance the things you want and/or need.

Sedna/Mercury–You have difficulty understanding your own thought processes. You think that you are not as smart as the rest of the kids in the schoolroom when you are probably the brightest one there. You are hesitant to express your viewpoint, afraid that you will not be understood. Because of your brain confusion about this issue you rarely are.

Sedna/Mars–You have difficulty understanding legitimate ways to defend yourself. No one taught you how, or punished you for doing so. As a consequence you either go far or not far enough in making sure you are protected from the “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.”

Of course, we have a long way to go to understanding everything about Sedna and you can help. Click on to link below and take a survey about what you consider to be the blind spots in your life, so we can better define how this sneaky little transplutonian dwarf planet operates in our lives.



more about Sedna! http://www.astrologyexplored.com/discovery-chart-of-sedna-the-hole-in-our-soul/

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posted June 17, 2009 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is so interesting, and, ouch.

I have Sedna square my Venus and conjunct my IC.

My ex has Sedna in his 6th house, exactly conjunct his DC.

In synastry, my IC is conjunct his DC, and our Sednas were conjunct.

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posted May 14, 2012 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Despina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little late to the party, but found this thread really interesting now that I've checked out Sedna's location in my birth chart for the first time: 7th house! It's direct, and doesn't make any angles other than a tight opposition to my first house pluto.

I can definitely relate to the victim stuff, although I had hitherto attributed it to pisces venus in the fifth loosely square neptune in the third (or, perhaps, chiron in the eighth). I'm sure the venus stuff, at least, plays its part, but when I read Sedna's mythology it was like a light bulb flashing above my head.

I'm simply not interested in dating most men I meet. I can't explain why exactly, they just don't generally interest me in that way. This has led to some pursuing me to the point of violence on more than one occassion. When I do fall madly in love, it is invariably unrequited, and I have been known to wail inconsolably and cling to the edge of the boat, so to speak.

But in terms of taking Sedna to the next level, what is a "no–nonsense caretaker of humanity in one-on-one settings", exactly? I find it quite difficult to bring the collective archetype into the interpersonal, and unfortunately, not all of us can simply sink to the bottom of the sea (much as I've wanted to at times - I am a Pisces, after all!).

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posted May 16, 2012 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Despina! Welcome to LL

moving this thread to the Asteroid Forum

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