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posted August 07, 2012 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my natal chart, I have asteroid 13897 Vesuvius conjunct my SN very, very tightly - 0°0'31" orb - and I was always intensely fascinated by the entire event. In light of this, I regressed my chart to Feb 3, 58 AD which would have made me about 21 years old when the volcano erupted in 79 AD.

I was shocked! My regressed NN at 25°Sco exactly conjuncts my natal Karma by only 0°05'. In addition, it makes an exact opposition to my natal Plinius at 25°Tau on ALGOL. Vesuvius and Pompeja, which are quincunx in my natal, becoming widely conjunct at 3°25', and regressed Pluto conjuncts my natal Saturn, exact.

I want to check a few other asteroids to compare to my natal. So far:

21485 Ash
- 22°Sag17' natal
- 9°Leo02' draconic
- 12°Leo07' regressed
Incidentally, I had terrible asthma as a child, and cannot tolerate the smell of cigarette smoke.

2708 Burns
- 19°Aqu55' natal
- 6°Lib40' draconic
- 23°Pis08' regressed
I also really dislike the heat, and it makes me nauseated.

10983 Smolders
- 11°Cap56' natal
- 28°Leo40' draconic
- 29°Leo40' regressed

55555 DNA
- 7°Pis39' natal
- 24°Lib24' draconic
- 7°Sco36' regressed

3226 Plinius
- 25°Tau36' natal
- 12°Cap21' draconic
- 18°Tau36' regressed

203 Pompeja
- 15°Vir43' natal
- 2°Tau28' draconic
- 11°Can52' regressed

13897 Vesuvius
- 13°Aqu16' natal
- 0°Lib00' draconic
- 15°Can27' regressed

4464 Vulcano
- 20°Can35' natal
- 7°Pis19' draconic
- 8°Leo47' regressed


To see the aspects, here are my natal, regressed, and draconic-natal comparison charts.



Suggestions?

What I found interesting is the regressed Neptune making a direct opposition to rMars-Atropos, indicating a fiery end [Mars], but I was probably asleep or unaware at the time [Neptune]. The rNeptune conjuncts my nSun on ANTARES. The rKarma-Smolder conjunction piques my interest as well, since they are conjunct on not only an anaretic degree, but on REGULUS.

My question then is - what other asteroids should I be checking for in regards to past life research here or otherwise? I am also strongly interested in Japan and Atlantis, so I'd like to check those as well.

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posted August 08, 2012 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you survived in that tragic lifeline, and you may have been been a warner of sorts.

My gut feeling is that Asteroid KASSANDRA could reveal more about that lifeline.

Also, check for NIPPONIA and HIROSHIMA to assess the Japanese lifeline. If HIROSHIMA is afflicted, then you have a "Mind Pattern" of incarnating in potential danger zones to warn the people or to try and rescue them.

Very cool that you have joined here.

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posted August 08, 2012 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With how Plinius is aspected [not to mention natal Karma-Mercury conjunction and a 12H Kassandra], I thought that very well may be the case, so I checked asteroid 114 Kassandra, and in the regressed, it conjuncts the AC. Talk about hard times; having Kassandra stuck there. It semi-squares Mercury, trines Pompeja, and is quincunx Atropos. Good call, iQ!

In the draconic chart, dKassandra widely conjuncts nPompeja, and trines nChiron and nSmolder. The nKassandra trines dSaturn-Atropos and dVesuvius.

There might be merit to this. In good news, I have natal Kassandra sextile Mercury this time around, instead of semi-square.

I won't go too far into it in this thread [since I'll probably hijack my own thread, lol], but I did a cursory check, and I have some interesting aspects for Japan-themed asteroids as well. Kassandra is involved, so I sense a pattern.

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posted August 08, 2012 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would one go about knowing what day to regress to? Regressed charts are new to me.

Vesuvius is within a degree or so of Mars in my chart, but what really got my attention was Pompeja.

Particularly this cluster:
4341 Poseidon @ 28 Cap 48'21" (Rx)
Arabic Part of Death 29 Cap 30'
203 Pompeja @ 29 Cap 37'33" (Rx)

Pompeja aspects in mine:

Trines:
(The following four with Pleiades/Alcyone)
2629 Rudra 29 Tau 32'36"
3241 Yeshuhua 29 Tau 36'36"
149 Medusa 29 Tau 43'34"
6583 Destinn 0 Gem 10'8"

Squares:
1912 Anubis @ 29 Lib 22'12"
56000 Mesopotamia @ 29 Lib 26'19"
3325 TARDIS @ 29 Lib 35'36"

Opposes:
Orcus @ 29 Can 17'38"
3915 Fukushima @ 0 Leo 31'25"

Quincunx:
21485 Ash @ 29 Gem 34'48"
Sun @ 0 Vir 15'31"
55555 DNA @ 0 Vir 28'6"

Semisextile:
200025 Cloud Gate 0 Sag 19'26"
9325 Stonehenge 0 Sag 43'26"

Sesquiquadrate:
2001 Einstein @ 14 Vir 4'42"
7207 Hammurabi @ 14 Vir 13'47"

The Yod Kite with Pompeja apexing with Part of Death and Poseidon, and with Sun/DNA sextiling Ash, with Orcus/Fukushima pulling the string...? Anyone have a thought on this?

My Draconic would be a somewhat (~3 deg) out of orb opposition to this entire setup.

Perhaps I perished quickly at Pompeii? Or I'm at risk of volcanic incineration in this life? (Man, that'd be a bummer...) Sounds like a heavy warning regarding seismic/geological activity regardless, if not nuclear (regarding asteroid Fukushima).

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posted August 09, 2012 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's very interesting you also have 4341 Poseidon conjunct your PoDeath - mine sit at 19°Cap. It's part of my 12H America-Bellona-Apophis-Leukothea-Boda-Athene stellium that trines my Moon-Atlantis [which is a whole other story].

Your yod formation implies you were driven to the coast, and either drowned literally in water or otherwise "suffocated".

Where is your Karma in all of this?

As for date to regress - Vesuvius went up in 79 AD, so any year close to that is your goal. I regressed to Feb 3rd, because transiting Sun was conjunct my natal Vesuvius-SN on that date. Since 203 Pompeja appears to be your "key", regressing the transiting sun to mid-January would work.

Asteroid Destinn is in an out-of-sign trine and at a refreshing 0°, so I do not think you need to worry about such an event repeating in this life. I would check instead any asteroids you have at 0°Aqu for a clue, if you're inclined to know that type of thing. It looks like you had a heavy dose of negative karma, and were cleansed in that lifetime.

BY THE WAY, your Destinn exactly opposes mine. I have it at 0°Sag34'.

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posted August 09, 2012 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still trying to get a hang of the regressed chart. But the regressed Karma conjuncts natal Pompeja exact when regressed to 14-15 December A.D. 35. For that date, regressed Mars also conjuncts my natal Ascendant. That would have put me at about 43-44 in that timeline if that's my previous birthdate during the Pompeii disaster.

As far as natal Karma? 25 Tau 03'31", within a degree of Algol.

Something else I noticed... 15874 (unnamed: 1996 TL66), which according to Mark Andrew Holmes: "putting an end to something, inhuman, ugly, revenging or vindictive, suffering, persecution, destruction, revelation, epiphany, something mystical or apocalyptic, knowing without words, watersheds."

1996 TL66 in my natal is at 29 Pis 27'10" (Rx), almost exact with fixed star Scheat (associated with misfortune and drownings), sextile Pompeja!

As for 0 Aquarius? 10204 Turing @ 0 Aqu 20'53" (Rx). What comes to mind is Alan Turing... Code breaker (especially considering Enigma), choose chemical castration over imprisonment for homosexual activity, and died by cyanide poisoning. Ruled suicide for a long while, but apparently from what I read on wikipedia,: "While questioning various aspects of the coroner's historical verdict, Copeland identified accidental inhalation of cyanide fumes from an apparatus for gold electroplating spoons, which Turing had set up in his tiny spare room (using potassium cyanide to dissolve the gold), as a plausible alternative explanation, noting that the autopsy findings were more consistent with inhalation than with ingestion of the poison"

...iQ, we had speculated on another thread my WWII lifeline. Is it possible I would have been involved with Turing (barring the possibility of having been Turing? Yet, somehow, I feel I would have seen more action in the war than code-breaking... I'm not convinced I was Turing himself personally).

The asphyxiation theory for the Pompeii timeline though... that makes a lot more sense now that I've looked into this.

There's something else though which very much concerns me in THIS current lifeline: Found something else with Pompeja/Poseidon/PoDeath. 4362 Carlisle @ 29 Cap 28'15" (Rx), less than 2 minutes of a degree from the Part of Death. Why is this a potential problem? Current city: Carlisle, PA, where I've spent most of my life. And relocational astrology puts the Ascendant Square Saturn line DIRECTLY and EXACTLY through... Carlisle PA (My natal Ascendant/Saturn square isn't as exact, but I was born like 15-25 miles away). I've already had Uranus transit through this 1995-1996 (Junior year of High School), followed by Neptune in 1997 (Senior year of High School, my entire high school experience being chaotic), Chiron as well in 2005 (first exact in Feburary 2005, when the possibility of moving back to my college town came up, retrograded in the middle of my 6 months away from home and hit again, then hit exact one more time when it turned direct again around Thanksgiving 2005 when my dad went to the hospital and I had no choice but to move back home... to Carlisle).

Pluto, the next major slow-moving planet to transit that point, will do so for the first time exact in March 2023. I very much intend to leave Carlisle for good well before that point. This year if at all possible, as it appears I will face total ruin if I don't. Also, current progression ... well, my progressed moon just passed Opposing natal Pompeja/Carlisle, and progressed Pompeja (it was retrograde in natal), is moving direct and progressed Pompeja conjuncts natal Pompeja again in... 2024, just as my progress sun conjuncts natal Pluto exact. The timeframe seems to work out.

It sounds like it is very much in my best interests to get the hell out of dodge, especially when I consider my experiences in this town. I do not intend to die here, or in this state for that matter.

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posted August 11, 2012 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heavy reading and extremely informative

BlackSeraph, I think you have released tons of karmic lessons already. You are way too knowledgeable to worry about death, this time round it has to be a Conscious Ascension into an Immortal life/Higher Dimension. I think we all had enough of the life-death games in WW2 and others wars of the 20th century....

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posted August 11, 2012 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Something else I noticed... 15874 (unnamed: 1996 TL66), which according to Mark Andrew Holmes: "putting an end to something, inhuman, ugly, revenging or vindictive, suffering, persecution, destruction, revelation, epiphany, something mystical or apocalyptic, knowing without words, watersheds."

1996 TL66 in my natal is at 29 Pis 27'10" (Rx), almost exact with fixed star Scheat (associated with misfortune and drownings), sextile Pompeja!

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Yet, somehow, I feel I would have seen more action in the war than code-breaking... I'm not convinced I was Turing himself personally).


Regarding codes, have you checked 8672 Morse or 3688 Navajo? Or for a more direct approach, 9007 James Bond?

I checked 1996 TL66, and natally it sits Rx at 1°Ari14', which conjuncts fixed star KERB in the constellation Pegasus [danger of being jilted by a lover]. Not so bad, lol.

What does interest me are the asteroids which conjunct it. I have 1809 Prometheus [stole fire from the gods and gave to the humans, punished by Zeus], 1464 Armisticia [truce, ceasefire, agreement to stop fighting], 369 Aeria [one of the four classical elements, air] conjunct within 1°. My mother's personal name asteroid also falls in this orb.

And of course, it also trines my natal Destinn.

In my regressed, it falls at 24°Pis11' which conjuncts rBurns, trines rNN, and sextiles rSN-ALGOL.

As for Carlisle - clearly you were born there for a reason. Something drew you there. Natally, I have 3031 Houston [city of birth] conjunct my Moon by 1°13'. I have 35352 Texas [state of residence and business] square my Moon by 0°30' in 6H Cancer. Finally, I have 8084 Dallas [current location] conjunct my AC by a mere 0°04'.

The arabic PoDeath is not as bad as the Anareta [taker of life]. You may have endings to deal with there, and/or family or friend deaths to contend with.

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posted August 11, 2012 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About Navajo... here's what I've got there.

Pholus @ 22 Pis 19'51" (Rx)
2008 Konstitutsia @ 22 Pis 34'5" (Rx)
Fixed Star MARKAB @ 23 Pis 11'
42301 Unnamed: 2001 UR163 @ 23 Pis 13'53" (Rx)
10806 Mexico @ 23 Pis 51'5" (Rx)
Arabic Part of Spirit @ 24 Pis 1'
3688 @ Navajo 24 Pis 36'49" (Rx)
157 Dejanira @ 24 Pis 37'42" (Rx)
Fixed Star MATAR @ 25 Pis 25'

2001 UR163: "being ill-prepared or ill-informed, lack of understanding, deception, ineffectualness, being misunderstood or mistreated." according to http://markandrewholmes.com/2001ur163.html

Markab: "According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars and Mercury; to Simmonite, of Mars and Venus; and, to Alvidas, of Jupiter in square to Mercury with Saturn from Pisces and Gemini. It gives honor, riches, fortune, danger from fevers, cuts, blows, stabs [can be operations nowadays] and fire and a violent death. // It has a Mercury-Mars nature. Tradition has it that, in conjunction with Mars, Uranus or Saturn, this will bring dangers from fire, weapons or explosions. Tied up with propitious stellar bodies, Markeb is said to influence above all the spiritual and mental nature, to give a good head for figures, intellectual alertness, mental powers in general and last but not least, the ability to further propaganda activity, if at the same time relevant aspects are also present. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.81.]"

Matar: All I really can tell is, it's in Pegasus.

I will say I've felt a "draw" to the Grand Canyon, and as of late, Meteor Crater. I feel I need to visit those two sites for a reason unclear to me yet... like a "vision quest" of sorts. (Disclaimer: To my knowledge, I have no Native American/American Indian blood in my ancestry, though I do feel something of an affinity. My dad tells me that my grandmother on my dad's side might have gotten involved and married someone who did had my great grandmother not objected in the past.) Would also like to visit the Four Corners monument, probably more to say I've been in four states at once when I finally do ).

Anareta... how would I go about finding that?

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posted August 11, 2012 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
About Navajo... here's what I've got there.

Pholus @ 22 Pis 19'51" (Rx)
2008 Konstitutsia @ 22 Pis 34'5" (Rx)
Fixed Star MARKAB @ 23 Pis 11'
42301 Unnamed: 2001 UR163 @ 23 Pis 13'53" (Rx)
10806 Mexico @ 23 Pis 51'5" (Rx)
Arabic Part of Spirit @ 24 Pis 1'
3688 @ Navajo 24 Pis 36'49" (Rx)
157 Dejanira @ 24 Pis 37'42" (Rx)
Fixed Star MATAR @ 25 Pis 25'

2001 UR163: "being ill-prepared or ill-informed, lack of understanding, deception, ineffectualness, being misunderstood or mistreated." according to http://markandrewholmes.com/2001ur163.html

Markab: "According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars and Mercury; to Simmonite, of Mars and Venus; and, to Alvidas, of Jupiter in square to Mercury with Saturn from Pisces and Gemini. It gives honor, riches, fortune, danger from fevers, cuts, blows, stabs [can be operations nowadays] and fire and a violent death. // It has a Mercury-Mars nature. Tradition has it that, in conjunction with Mars, Uranus or Saturn, this will bring dangers from fire, weapons or explosions. Tied up with propitious stellar bodies, Markeb is said to influence above all the spiritual and mental nature, to give a good head for figures, intellectual alertness, mental powers in general and last but not least, the ability to further propaganda activity, if at the same time relevant aspects are also present. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.81.]"

Matar: All I really can tell is, it's in Pegasus.

I will say I've felt a "draw" to the Grand Canyon, and as of late, Meteor Crater. I feel I need to visit those two sites for a reason unclear to me yet... like a "vision quest" of sorts. (Disclaimer: To my knowledge, I have no Native American/American Indian blood in my ancestry, though I do feel something of an affinity. My dad tells me that my grandmother on my dad's side might have gotten involved and married someone who did had my great grandmother not objected in the past.) Would also like to visit the Four Corners monument, probably more to say I've been in four states at once when I finally do ).

Anareta... how would I go about finding that?


The fact you have Navajo conjunct your PoSpirit is interesting. Navajo is an oblique reference to the Windtalkers, as well as the more literal reference to the Navajo tribe. Then there is Dejanira [the victim] there as well. PoS indicates personal satisfaction, things that make you happy, so that makes me feel you are inclined to self-sabotage, or have been in the past.

I have been to both the Grand Canyon as well as Four Corners. It was part of my tour to Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore, and Crazy Horse Memorial. I also stopped at Little Bighorn Battlefield, best known as Custer's Last Stand. That was a powerful and sobering place to experience.

I wholeheartedly support you taking a trip to see these places. There are things the earth can tell us so much more clearly and powerfully than anything else.

The formula for the Anareta is AC + Moon - 1H ruler, reversible for night charts.

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posted August 12, 2012 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have been known to hoist myself by my own petard before, as it were... not that I haven't had other instances of others sabotaging me too.

The anareta in my chart ... Sagittarius is 1st house, so Jupiter rules.

3 Sag 41'33" + 9 Tau 56'44" - 27 Can 29'56" = 16 Vir 08'21" ... or about 3 and a half degrees off of my Midheaven/Apophis.

Anareta is conjunct:
1779 Parana 15 Vir 32'46"
2889 Brno @ 15 Vir 50'48" (named after a Czech city that for centuries has resisted invasion after invasion).
389 Industria 16 Vir 17'55" (Death from overwork in my future?)
1980 Tezcatlpoca 16 Vir 58'26" (A central Aztec diety, translates to "Smoking Mirror", referencing Obsidian).
9777 Enterprise 17 Vir 15'12" (Only fitting... my car essentially has thrown the codes 11A, 11A2B, 1B2B3 and finally tonight, 000DESTRUCT0. In other words, head gasket's toast.)

Interesting that Tezcatlpoca would be there with the Anareta. Considering this entry from Wikipedia: "Another story of creation goes that Tezcatlipoca turned himself into the sun, but Quetzalcoatl couldn’t bear his enemy ruling the universe, so he knocked Tezcatlipoca out of the sky. Angered, Tezcatlipoca turned into a jaguar and destroyed the world. Quetzalcoatl replaced him and started the second age of the world and it became populated again. Tezcatlipoca overthrew Quetzalcoatl when he sent a great wind that devastated the world, and what people who survived were turned into monkeys. Tlaloc, the god of rain, became the sun, but Quetzalcoatl sent down fire which destroyed the world again, except for a few humans who survived who were turned into birds. Chalchihuitlicue the Water Goddess became the sun, but the world was destroyed by floods, with what people survived being turned into fish."

Uranus won't transit my Anareta exact for quite some time (not until September 5th, 2049 when I'm 71), assuming I live that long. Neptune very likely won't hit it in my lifetime (October 12th, 2099 if I make it to 121), and for Pluto or Eris, I'd have to become immortal or bionic. Mars retrograde this year dancing over my Midheaven and natal Saturn (and Anareta apparently) was very rough. But I'm still here

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