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Junethird
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posted August 09, 2012 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok i have been busy reading up on Nessus and Dejanira. But have failed to find references of these asteroids in signs and houses.

Me:
7066 Nessus: cancer 3H 26'30'4
157 Dejanira: pisces 11H 9'5'25
Venus aries
Mars libra
Moon cancer

Him:
7066 Nessus: cancer 8H 28'34'25
157 Dejanira: sagittarius 1H 18'40'5
Venus scorpio
Mars leo
Moon gemini

So his nessus trines my dejanira... Good bad?

We have composite nessus cancer 7H 27'32'15'
And composite Dejanira Capricorn 1H 28'52'45


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posted August 10, 2012 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting question. I have wondered about that too. The trine is supposed to support the positive expression of a planet/asteroid – but not much is written on the “positive” sides of nessus and dejanira.

NESSUS (taken from http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html). I have put an * next to positive attributes and ? next to “may be positive”...

• negation,
• smallness *.
• abuse,
• horror,
• obscurity.
• death.
• the delicacy and sensibility of the flower, *
• the fragility of life, *?
• nastiness,
• manipulation,
• cruelty.
• weakness,
• morbidity.
• strength that is found in weakness. *
• a guardian at the threshold. *
• simple, *
• dark, ?
• infinite. *?
• terrible and beautiful in its fragility. ?*
• paradox of beauty and ugliness, ?*
• the Beauty and the Beast. *?
• a sphinx, *
• an owl.*
• (sympathetic) monster *
• Inadvertent contracts, ?
• blood contracts,
• ancestral obligations,?
• secret societies, ?
• blood rituals,
• Darkbody, ?
• inner rage,
• dark phantasies ?,
• forgotten and rediscovered ?
• old dusty
• futurism, ?
• inter-species contracts, ?
• releasing outworn contracts from energy field, *
• unmanifest monsters,
• reptilian shadow,
• everyone responsible to some extent for planetary darkness,
• inadvertently responsible,
• commercial repercussions of how we spend our money
• Having to face deep pain and make choices as a result of, or while under the influence, of this pain ?*
• connection to strong, powerful emotions *?
• - the feeling to do something "righteous" even if it's cruel
• - to be forced to deep and sudden transformation by intense shock and pain ?*
• - the boomerang-effect: bad actions done in the past, catch us up
• - a clear tendency to over-react, to crack up, to have hysterics, to run amok
• - panic attacks
• the theme-complex of intrigue and conspiracy: treachery, trick, to take advantage of somebody's weakness, revenge, lie and falsehood
• - Nessus joins us with occult primordial forces and energies, which go far beyond our mental,
• conscious and intellectual capacity for understanding *
• - the border(-line) to madness, see where brute force in combination to super-natural self-control with madness is shown *?
• - to overcome anxiety and force with the mean of super-natural strength *
• long-term skin diseases
• opens us the door to Hades, the death, towards the shadow-world of ghosts, lost souls. But: Tales of the beast and the beauty, the ghost of Canterbury and so on reveal the other, light and good side of the so-called "evil" *?
• - There is an parallelity between Nessus and the fairy man Charon- Nessus is a leader and guide to hidden and deep energies of regeneration and therefore Pluto's helper *
• a connection to psychosis and schizophrenia
• The destruction of unified systems and structures that were created as one or have been unified for so long that the unity has become seemingly natural. ?
• Separation from or antipathy towards family, friends, nation, church or party.
• Monasticism, *?
• the retreat from ordinary life in order to achieve perfection in something. *
• Mutilation,
• amputation,
• division.
• The theme of 'poison' and 'lancing the boil', where past simmering resentments come to the surface. An opportunity to deal with these.
• - Feeling emotionally 'driven'; a wilfulness and desire to take 'corrective action', perhaps drastically.*?
• - Bravery in the face of danger *
• stupid blind rage.
• Having to make huge changes, sweeping away the old. ?*
• Acknowledging that something has ended. The challenge to take these changes on board gladly, as an act of will rather than feeling forced by 'fate' or circumstance. *?

DEJANIRA … is much more difficult to find interpretations for positive expression. Most interp’s focus on very negative manifestations such as

• Being abused
• Being a victim
• Jealousy
• Improper use of magic
• Naivite

But .. if you read between the lines, it is clear that Dejanira possessed some very attractive qualities that drew both Heracles and Nessus to desire her greatly. In her “story” the misuse of these qualities brought about tragedy, NEVERTHELESS the qualities she possessed were in themselves GOOD, not negative. She was a beautiful and desirable woman …. But her chief attributes were her

• Innocence and vulnerability . … Although these traits DO no doubt leave a person open to hurt, they are nevertheless key to the formation of relationships that are natural, trusting, and accepting. True innocence is not naivity, it is the capacity to directly experience what is here right now, without any demands that you should look, act or feel differently. Innnocence is openness, willingness to see and trust, even if what appears seems to be absolutely untrustworthy. The willingness to be innocent is the willingness to be hurt. This willingness to make yourself vulnerable and open to another often takes more courage than being cynical, strong or powerful. It takes courage to be consciously vulnerable– to take on the risks involved with love and allowing your heat to break open so that an even deeper love can be revealed. Almost everything we do these days is to AVOID being vulnerable, but the truth is that those who close themselves off against the possibility of hurt also close themselves to the willingness to love and to live.

Based on this …. The image I am getting for a positive (nessus trine dejanira) connection is one where the Dejanira person attracts the Nessus person into a relationship because the Nessus person is able to sense her capacity to open up to him with absolute trust and vulnerability. Yes, Nessus can abuse this trust …. but in a better case scenario, her trust will also open HIM to an understanding the deep and primodial energies in himself, his hidden side, his inner monsters and his dark fantasies … and this will bring about transformation that is both “terrible and beautiful” for both of them, as it will allow them to connect with a rawness and honesty that is rare in an age where we all cultivate hard shells of protection around ourselves.

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posted August 10, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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• Innocence and vulnerability . … Although these traits DO no doubt leave a person open to hurt, they are nevertheless key to the formation of relationships that are natural, trusting, and accepting. True innocence is not naivity, it is the capacity to directly experience what is here right now, without any demands that you should look, act or feel differently. Innnocence is openness, willingness to see and trust, even if what appears seems to be absolutely untrustworthy. The willingness to be innocent is the willingness to be hurt. This willingness to make yourself vulnerable and open to another often takes more courage than being cynical, strong or powerful. It takes courage to be consciously vulnerable– to take on the risks involved with love and allowing your heat to break open so that an even deeper love can be revealed. Almost everything we do these days is to AVOID being vulnerable, but the truth is that those who close themselves off against the possibility of hurt also close themselves to the willingness to love and to live.

Based on this …. The image I am getting for a positive (nessus trine dejanira) connection is one where the Dejanira person attracts the Nessus person into a relationship because the Nessus person is able to sense her capacity to open up to him with absolute trust and vulnerability. Yes, Nessus can abuse this trust …. but in a better case scenario, her trust will also open HIM to an understanding the deep and primodial energies in himself, his hidden side, his inner monsters and his dark fantasies … and this will bring about transformation that is both “terrible and beautiful” for both of them, as it will allow them to connect with a rawness and honesty that is rare in an age where we all cultivate hard shells of protection around ourselves.


Thank you so much Taineberry.

This was so very insightful... I can honestly say i relate with your above description of the trine of nessus and dejanira.

I need time to let this sink in a bit, but i will come back and update

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posted August 11, 2012 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your feedback. It will be so interesting to hear how you experience it!

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posted August 13, 2012 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taineberry,

So his nessus trines my dejanira,

And your description is right on the nail... I had to really think back to some private tender moments and i had my "aha" moment. Thats why when ive cried the first thing he wants to do is swoop me in his arms, wipe and kiss my tears away. He holds me and snuggles me very close... Alot closer and more tender than after lovemaking lol. He never once let me fall to my knees in despair... He always has held me up. And at one moment he almost cried... He was bewildered and almost pushed me away.. Knda like not knowing what to do until he kissed me *sigh* and then he shed a tear

"terrible, beautiful and raw moment"

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posted August 14, 2012 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah yes, I see now ... how it "works" through a mix of pain/vulnerability/darkness!!!!

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posted August 14, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexyr14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would Nessus play out conj Venus?

My Venus is 22 Cancer 7th house and his Nessus is 29 Cancer 11th house... is that still considered a conjunction?

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posted August 15, 2012 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Ah yes, I see now ... how it "works" through a mix of pain/vulnerability/darkness!!!!

Yes thats correct. But altho sweet and tender its very heartbreaking... Or maybe its my lack of maturity about not being able to capitalize on it and expand.

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posted August 17, 2012 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Nessus in synastry calls out our childhood abuse. I think it can be worth than hundreds of dollars of therapy, as we will RELIVE the childhood abuse.
Can these relationships stay and become soul mate relationships? I have not seen it, in the charts I have done.
I have seen these relationships get super hot and super intense, but not be able to last.

I have a small sample, of course.

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posted August 17, 2012 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think Nessus in synastry calls out our childhood abuse. I think it can be worth than hundreds of dollars of therapy, as we will RELIVE the childhood abuse.
Can these relationships stay and become soul mate relationships? I have not seen it, in the charts I have done.
I have seen these relationships get super hot and super intense, but not be able to last.

I have a small sample, of course.


@Ami,

Iam confused...

I dont have any childhood abuse... And neither does he. He is attached to his home life and so am i. But he is closer to his logistically so his family is more prominent than mine.

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posted August 17, 2012 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"terrible, beautiful and raw moment" plus also strong hot hot sex which describe my on and off relationship who ended about 2-3 years ago.

His nessus conj my nessus conj my moon trine his dejanira conj his moon conj my destinn conj psyche.


My aunt and her husband have an DW nessus venus square in their synastry. They met each other when they was young and are not far to be 80. They are obsessed in love. I think they are like drugs to each other. They cant be without each other. They have also other valentine/NN DW and psyche/eros DW and I think nessus/venus DW are the strongest glue ever...

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posted August 17, 2012 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Junethird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by popcorn:
"terrible, beautiful and raw moment" plus also strong hot hot sex which describe my on and off relationship who ended about 2-3 years ago.

His nessus conj my nessus conj my moon trine his dejanira conj his moon conj my destinn conj psyche.


My aunt and her husband have an DW nessus venus square in their synastry. They met each other when they was young and are not far to be 80. They are obsessed in love. I think they are like drugs to each other. They cant be without each other. They have also other valentine/NN DW and psyche/eros DW and I think nessus/venus DW are the strongest glue ever...


POPCORN!!!

I love your name lol... Thats the word DRUG!!! and the withdrawals when apart are really bad lol

And at the risk of sounding stupid... Whats DW dejanira?

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posted March 30, 2013 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemNymph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So...


I have my Dejanira is conjunct a guy's Nessus with 1 degree orb in Cancer. What should I expect from this? It seems everyone's terrified of this aspect.

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