posted September 15, 2012 08:30 PM            

I will throw out some questions?

1. Do you feel very vulnerable, as if you are wearing an itchy wool sweater?
2. Do you feel fragile as if life is too big and scary

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posted September 16, 2012 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I had an idea, today. We can have a little support group to talk about how it feels to be an unaspected Moon.

I will throw out some questions?

1. Do you feel very vulnerable, as if you are wearing an itchy wool sweater?
2. Do you feel fragile as if life is too big and scary

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I know ive felt alone, like i don't belong...somehow everyone else had somebody that loved them but i wasn't good enough to deserve that. I've felt i didn't have the right to impose who i am on any environment...i needed to be invisible so that i didnt bother anyone. I even learned to breath shallow as a child because i didnt want to be to noisy and get on someones nerves...i felt i was here only to be used as others gained self esteem through stepping on me, like this was my only purpose in life. I wanted to be so thin, and colorless that i would fade away instead of offending someone with my presence.
As i child i used to hide in my closet and hope nobody found me....i hoped i would somehow just vanish into thin air!

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posted September 16, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Although I don't have an un-aspected Moon, this is a great idea Ami. I think we should have multiple un-aspected planet support groups. I have the un-aspected Sun and I would love to have a support group for it. To those who have major un-aspected planets like Sun, Moon, Venus, such support groups would really help.

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YES, great idea SS. Do you want to start a thread for YOUR Unaspected Planet, as each planet is quite different when it is Unaspected. Talk about it and ask for others to join it. I know we used to have an Unaspected Sun, but I have not seen her for awhile, but put it up and share about it. I would love to learn, too! xoxo

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posted September 16, 2012 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Although I don't have an un-aspected Moon, this is a great idea Ami. I think we should have multiple un-aspected planet support groups. I have the un-aspected Sun and I would love to have a support group for it. To those who have major un-aspected planets like Sun, Moon, Venus, such support groups would really help.

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It just amazing to me, how ive felt i was so alone in being alone...LOL...its nice to not be so alone...in my lonliness!

Seeing the way these unaspected planets affect others is so validating to healing! To know others go through it and im not alone is a treasure! I've questioned myself, i wasn't sure if maybe i was just being over sensitive and a big baby...but im starting to see i can and should have more faith and trust in my feelings. That alone is one of the challenges of my unaspected planets...can i and do i value and trust my own perceptions? Am i over sensitive and selfish and thats why i'm hurting? Do i focus to much on me, like my mom always told me did every time i needed to talk? I'm starting to see i havent been a big baby...this really does hurt and im allowed to feel this hurt without guilt!

I was taught that we suffered for God, and if you werent suffering you were doing something wrong, because satan persecuted the loyal ones who loved God, and left the ones alone who followed him...so i was taught to rejoice in my pain...nobody wanted to hear you complain about hurting, it was like disrespecting God. Somehow, i had to find a way to convince myself i was happy because i was hurting. Deny it was pain because the guilt for hurting, made me feel suicidal but you couldnt feel that either because that showed a lack of appreciation for the life God gave you. This was the insane path to me being a good servant to God...
I guess this is seen in the Zues asteroid sitting next to my unaspected moon...with nothing to stop it from being an over bearing God demanding complete control and allegiance until my death...

Sometimes i forget how far from reality my upbringing was. Thank you because, I see how crazy these beliefs are when i hear others saying they feel the pain to. But its ok, its normal, we all hurt. It doesnt make us bad, it makes us human and we can come closer through it, which is exactly what God wants for us...to find love, acceptance and to be treasured without judgement for who we really are!

I love the song by REM, "Everybody Hurts", its so true!

posted September 16, 2012 04:46 PM            

What does your child asteroid do?

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posted September 16, 2012 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Gabby
THAT is powerful! I am speechless. I will have to really research the Zeus asteroid as that will be a big clue to your life, as the moon is very pivotal, perhaps more so when unaspected. I grew up an agnostic, so was not fed lies about God. I found God as an adult, so didn't have religious "abuse".

What does your child asteroid do?

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Agnostic...i've always wondered what it would be like to have a blank slate with nothing forced on you, i'd think it would be freeing... or maybe you wanted and would have appreciated someone to help guide you?
I never celebrated holidays, and i've always missed it and wish i understood them, but i've had ppl tell me i was the lucky one because all it is was pressure to spend money you didnt have on ppl who didnt appreciate it, LOL!! Oh well, to each there own!

Huamea is virgo@15
Dejanira is virgo@15
Zues is virgo@16
Moon is virgo@18
Child is virgo@19

Haumea as Symbol of New Spiritual Awareness

As a female creational energy she does signify the re-emergence of the belief in the Creatress and as such, she may well also represent women’s issues and maybe even those of minority groups, such as homosexual men.
Haumea has a real resistance to being owned by men or masculine energy, as we can see from the story of the discovery of the planet, when neither man could claim her.

There are also associations with evolution and transits to her invoke such things as the discovery of baby dinosaur skeletons. Since in myth she represents childbirth and prevents the necessity of Caesarean birth, she surely signifies such matters and this is supported by the dwarf planet’s obvious production of a whole family.

It is difficult for us in western culture to even begin to understand the Hawaiian spiritual concept. And yet it more accurately reflects the true composition and nature of life on Earth and in the Cosmos than our monotheist (one god) religions do.

A Hawaiian cultural historian says this:

“Hawaiian culture evolved in close partnership with its natural environment. Thus Hawaiian culture does not have a clear dividing line of where culture ends and nature begins. In a traditional Hawaiian context, nature and culture are one and the same; there is no division between the two.”

They had such a healthy relationship with their land and nature they themselves were healthy and so was their land. In the West we are either poisoning our land or piling concrete on it. We intensively rear poor chickens so that thousands are crammed into appalling conditions with no space or light. They are so weak they cannot even stand up and they have no feathers from stress and crouching in their own excreta. Supermarkets proudly sell their bodies for £2.

We don’t understand that what we do to chickens and our land affects our spiritual well being because we are all part of the same Universal Spirit or Force; it is part of us and it exists in all things. The force, energy and spirit of Mother Nature or Haumea IS the landscape and it also us. This is something we will all have to learn……one way or another.

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posted September 16, 2012 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Gabby
THAT is powerful! I am speechless. I will have to really research the Zeus asteroid as that will be a big clue to your life, as the moon is very pivotal, perhaps more so when unaspected. I grew up an agnostic, so was not fed lies about God. I found God as an adult, so didn't have religious "abuse".

What does your child asteroid do?

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You know what i've always respected about Agnostic beliefs...unlike Atheist, they are willing to say, im not going to say there is a God, but i can't say with certainty there isnt a God. Atheist, and Theist argue back and forth but the reality is if a Theist can't prove without a shadow of a doubt their is a God, than an Atheist can't prove without a shadow of a doubt there isnt a God, and how come both of these groups dont get they are arguing the same point from opposite ends....and reality is neither are correct and they both are correct, so quit arguing and show respect by letting ppl be who they are.
I just like the way Agnostics accept we don't have all the answers, and thats ok!

posted September 16, 2012 06:13 PM            

Fast forward to many years later and the death of my son. I needed a close, close, personal God and I found Jesus. I am a Messianic Jew( a Jewish Christian) I am 100% Jewish and 100% Christian, if you can say that( and you can )

I found God on my own. My search was my own. For that, I was blessed but I went through terrible tragedy to find Him. However, I am happy with my relationship with God, now. He is everything to me, actually

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posted September 16, 2012 06:15 PM            

..And you responded. You gotta work on that short-term memory issue of yours.

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I have
Virgo Child@19/Moon@18/Zues@16/Dejanira@15/Humea@15/Juno@12 in Virgo 12th
...opposed
Pisces Vesta@20/Pallas@17/Pholus@9 in Pisces 6th
...square
Gemini Psyche@15/Messenger@15/Erda@15/Crantor@14/Sauer@19 all in Rx in Gemini 9th
....square
Saggy Neptune@11/Photographica@13/Great Attractor@13/Sappho@15/Astraea@16/Hebe@19 in Saggy 3rd

My mother suffered BPD...never diagnosed but shes been in and out of hospitals, she was always able to play the victim and it be somebody else fault for her breakdown.

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posted September 16, 2012 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I grew up in a liberal Jewish home, you could say. I went to Hebrew school. We celebrated the Jewish holidays which I loved. I had a wonderful extended family whom I loved dearly. I felt warm and safe within the boundaries of my Jewishness. However, my family was really agnostic. God was never preached, nor stuffed down my throat. I, always, felt His presence, but not as a close, personal God. It was more like He was in the sky.

Fast forward to many years later and the death of my son. I needed a close, close, personal God and I found Jesus. I am a Messianic Jew( a Jewish Christian) I am 100% Jewish and 100% Christian, if you can say that( and you can )

I found God on my own. My search was my own. For that, I was blessed but I went through terrible tragedy to find Him. However, I am happy with my relationship with God, now. He is everything to me, actually

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posted September 16, 2012 06:18 PM            

Oh dear

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posted September 16, 2012 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Ami... Gabby stated her placements in your "I want to do a study" thread, about Moon/ Child/ Dejanira and abuse.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001343.html

..And you responded. You gotta work on that short-term memory issue of yours.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gabby:
[b]I have
Virgo Child@19/Moon@18/Zues@16/Dejanira@15/Humea@15/Juno@12 in Virgo 12th
...opposed
Pisces Vesta@20/Pallas@17/Pholus@9 in Pisces 6th
...square
Gemini Psyche@15/Messenger@15/Erda@15/Crantor@14/Sauer@19 all in Rx in Gemini 9th
....square
Saggy Neptune@11/Photographica@13/Great Attractor@13/Sappho@15/Astraea@16/Hebe@19 in Saggy 3rd

My mother suffered BPD...never diagnosed but shes been in and out of hospitals, she was always able to play the victim and it be somebody else fault for her breakdown.

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posted September 16, 2012 07:11 PM            

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Wow! I'm so sorry...my lil guy almost(again sorry) dying was woke me up to realizing i didn't know God at all. He was only 8months at the time...i would never say i understand, because what i do know theres no way to comprehend it...i did spend 72 hours being told by doctors, don't get your hopes up. They say the reason he lived was his skull still had the soft spot and it gave his brain room to swell...do you write about it?
I don't know how you have handled the pain and grief, finding God personally I'm sure has carried you through so much!
I eventually had to find something, so i wrote about it...and wrote about it...and wrote some more! The first time through i wrote about every second i could remember..was just moment by moment memoir of what the doctors said and what was happening...then i wrote the the emotions and then the anger and hatred at how my husband and family had let this happen....it was very releasing, took weeks and was painful but it was the only way i knew to release all i had bottled up inside and try to find some peace with it.
Well, to be totally honest...i kept some of the hatred for my ex and how his irresponsibility was actually was the cause of the accident...i find i like the anger for him...i dont want to forgive him yet!

Memories are so much sweeter when you can actually feel free to feel the love that you shared without having to feel the sting and pain all over again.

posted September 16, 2012 07:38 PM            

In addition to this zinger!:

"Cancer Moon with all that loving, nuturing emotions wanting to be freed but trapped, im wondering if it feels like a mother would who'd lost her baby and desperately longed to hold and love her child but had no child in her arms?"

My unaspected Cancer moon in 8th can't take such directness! Some might say I can dish it out but I can't take it.

...I do want to try to share something about this, in a while, now that Ami has me contemplating this whole area.

posted September 16, 2012 09:12 PM            

The Unaspected Planet is rare and a gift, supposedly. The Moon is the hardest one, but we tend to be gifts to others, while we suffer. Can you relate

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posted September 16, 2012 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
WOW Gabby
You have been through a LOT, too. I am formulating some theories on Unaspected Moons. I think we may have more things in common than I, originally, thought.

The Unaspected Planet is rare and a gift, supposedly. The Moon is the hardest one, but we tend to be gifts to others, while we suffer. Can you relate

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Very Much Agreed!! What we learn is our gift!
My sons accident was the path that lead me to find a loving God also!

posted September 16, 2012 09:57 PM            

...I'm trying to grasp how this aspect may possibly show up in my experience, my response toward life. Personally, the moon being in 8th I think personally means it tends to be most profoundly triggered in intimate relationships. (And the closest aspect it has to any other well-known asteroid is a trine to Eros in Scorpio--what can I say?? ). ...I'm thinking about those individuals who have affected me the most, it has been because they aspected my moon. While the moon is a sensitive relationship spot for most people, in considering this unaspected concept I am really thinking of how hard it has been for my moon to express itself in said relationships...thus, a terrible frustration and loneliness in intimate relationships--the one place my moon wants to find full expression. A feeling like I am very affected, yet can't articulate that or come close to sharing and giving what I have. ...It is an all-or-nothing thing. Hitting that moon is like whammo and too much to take, in fact ...But on the other hand, NOT hitting it is like, "why bother having a relationship?"

I can therefore see how it is so much easier to have a relationship with little to no moon contact for me. No risk! Easy! Light! Fun! I guess we all can have a similar reaction to moon vs. no moon relationships?

...And perhaps my moon being in the Western hemisphere (right side of chart)--where it is receptive to others, rather than affective, as Eastern hemisphere placements are--is also difficult for me? Most of my planets are in Eastern Hemisphere. Definitely vulnerable having Moon in less familiar Western Hemisphere.

I feel like that part of me is so very different from the rest of how I make myself known, of how I express myself... It is a completely undeveloped, needy baby that is just too vulnerable to risk exposing. Thus, it is too sensitive to rejection to begin with (coupled with Venus in Capricorn, perhaps), that it is rare it gets its foot in the door, anyway, to have the chance to really express itself. And what would it have to give, anyway, if it is a big, needy baby itself? Ugh.

...And I'm thinking of my habit of blushing so easily. I really can't hide when I am expressing something that I feel vulnerable about. My face gets red before the words even come out of my mouth, on the rare occasion that I'd even express something that I felt so vulnerable about. ...Is that related?

posted September 17, 2012 03:43 AM            

...Everyone here can't be Jewish.

Happy Rosh Hashanah!

posted September 17, 2012 04:15 AM            

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Great. Put myself out there with all that...and everyone is gone. "That's a pretty big matzoh ball hanging out there," to quote Seinfeld. (Unaspected cancer moon Jovian is ready to delete!)

...Everyone here can't be Jewish.

Happy Rosh Hashanah!

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posted September 17, 2012 12:49 PM            

...I know you aren't one for past lives, Ami, but that's the truth of it for me--that my soul has been part of the Judeo-Christian drama for lifetimes in the past.

Yeah--I'm ready to delete my matzoh ball up there. It is so hard for me to expose this undeveloped underside. Bleh!

The more it sits there, the more I feel like a child again, whose needs weren't met and who quickly learned, as Gabby had expressed, that one's emotional needs weren't important. Better to just try not to be noticed! I was very shy as a child. I was smart enough to start kindergarten earlier, but could not because I was socially not fit. I would express myself more with indirect means--shrugs and facial expressions--rather than risk asserting myself directly and having my self-expression be dismissed or ignored...or risk hurting someone's feelings. I was one of those that you always had to ask to speak up. I couldn't bear to assert myself.

This certainly felt familiar to me:

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I've felt i didn't have the right to impose who i am on any environment...i needed to be invisible so that i didnt bother anyone. I even learned to breath shallow as a child because i didnt want to be to noisy and get on someones nerves.

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...At the same time I hate talking about this, I really feel a need to exercise and develop it. Life feels quite meaningless right now without integrating and using that moon. So sad, really. It is demanding my attention at this time in my life. It will just get worse if I don't rip the Band-Aid off and be willing to start off as a vulnerable baby in that department. So, this is a good exercise.