posted September 19, 2012 05:46 PM            

That's what Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King has nicknamed a tiny papyrus fragment she has been researching.

In the news yesterday were the details about this ancient bit of history (a bit smaller than a business card), dated to the 4th century, that she just presented at a conference on Coptic studies in Rome on Tuesday.

It has some intriguing fragments—the most interesting being one that states,

"Jesus said to them, 'My wife ...' "

And in the next line, the phrase,

"…she will be able to be my disciple."

It is the first known fragment to refer to Jesus speaking of a wife.

The text on either side is cut off, so of course we can’t be sure exactly who Jesus is referring to. And of course, it was written centuries after Jesus lived, it is apparently a copy written in a language other than the original Greek, it was brought forth by an anonymous party, who acquired it how??.... So, alas, the eternal mystery is not yet solved. Was Jesus indeed married? If so, to whom? It is thought that the original dealer simply chopped up the original document, in order to get more money from selling off the fragments to collectors.

Here is a good article about it, from yesterday's New York Times:

"A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus' Wife," by Laurie Goodstein
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us/historian-says-piece-of-papyrus-refers -to-jesus-wife.html?_r=1

It mentions that in those times, it was rare for men to mention their wives in conversation, so the fact that there has been no record of Jesus mentioning a wife he may have had is not necessarily indicative that he was unmarried.

Prof. King had previously briefed a small handful of reporters about the discovery, last Thursday. Here are some charts at the time the findings were scheduled to be presented by Prof. King at the conference yesterday in Rome, along with some aspects I spotted.

What would such a chart indicate, anyway? Would it give clues to the actual relationship? Or to our collective thoughts about the potential relationships (or celibacy) of Jesus? Or Jesus’ ideas and feelings about relationships? His ideas about women? Professor King's ideas on the subject, as she is the one who presented it?

I’ve included the asteroids that we’ve seen used around here, in reference to Jesus and Mary. Let me know if you think of other asteroids that may relate.

...What do you see going on here?

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In the Tropical chart...

Aspects at <1 degree only:

Maria CONJ Yeshuhua (0.07)

-->I think that remarkable aspect alone puts to rest the contention that an asteroid’s meaning is limited to its namesake, or qualities of its namesake, etc. (Ye Shuhua is a female Chinese astronomer.)

Discovery TRI Union (0.06)

Maria QX Unitas (0.11)
Yeshuhua QX Unitas (0.04)
Alma SQ Maria (0.11)
Alma TRI Unitas (0.22)
Alma SQ Yeshuhua (0.18)

--> Double "Mystical Triangle" – Alma - Maria/Yeshuhua - Unitas

Magdalena CONJ Uranus (0.13)
Magdalena SQ Pluto (0.11)
Magdalena QX Jessie (0.36)
Jessie QX Uranus (0.23)
Jessie TRI Pluto (0.25)

--> Double "Mystical Triangle": Jessie -Magdalena/Uranus - Pluto

Lilith OPP Juno (0.15)
Lilith SQ Neptune (0.21)
Juno SQ Neptune (0.36)

--> T-Square: Neptune - Juno - Lilith

Lilith QX Moon (0.37)
Moon TRI Neptune (0.16)

--> "Mystical Triangle" : Lilith - Moon - Neptune

Lilith TRI Amor (0.31)

Spirit QX Uranus (0.55)
Magdalena/Uranus QX Spirit (a hair >1 deg.)

--> Double Yod – Magdalena/Uranus – Spirit- Jessie (Magdalena/Uranus at apex)

Briede TRI Eros (0.14)
Mars SQ Lust (0.55)

Mary TRI Karma (0.44)
Mary QX Sun (0.02)
Mary TRI MC (0.21)
Sun SQ MC (0.19)
Sun CONJ Vx (0.31)

Jessie OPP Chiron (0.57)
Venus OPP Union (0.13)
Saturn QX S Node (0.12)
Groom TRI Saturn (0.31)
Groom SQ Nodes (0.43)

Amor CONJ Soulie (0.53)
Amor SEXT Juno (0.16)
Venus SEXT Discovery (0.07)
Jessie SEXT Spirit (0.32)

Not shown on charts:

Eros (2.40 Sag)
Psyche (9.28 Lib)
Lust (18.07 Leo) (Falls between Venus and Karma)

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Heliocentric:

Venus SQ Neptune (0.12)
Neptune TRI Yeshuhua/Saturn
Venus QX Yeshuhua (0.03)
Venus QX Saturn (0.55)

--> Double "Mystical Triangle": Venus – Yeshuhua/Saturn – Neptune

Eros QX Jupiter
Eros QX Lust (1.02)

--> Yod: Eros - Jupiter - Lust

If we allow two degrees, --> Yod: Yeshuhua – Magdalena – Venus

Maria QX Jupiter (0.06)

--> Yod: Maria – Magdalena - Jupiter

--> Yod: Jupiter - Eros - Maria

Lust SQ Maria (0.36)

Jessie OPP Union (0.47)
Yeshuhua OPP Unitas (0.26)

--> Two related oppositions - Interesting.

Saturn OPP Unitas (0.26)

Boda SQ Mars (0.23)

Briede QX Alma (0.58)
Spirit SQ Soulie (0.52)

Mary TRI Karma (0.10)
Mary OPP Psyche (0.22)

Not shown:

Eros: 5.10 Cap
Psyche: 13.28 Lib
Lust: 4.08 Leo

posted September 19, 2012 06:00 PM            

Tropical/Geocentric Declinations

Sun 1.31 N
Moon 14.05 S
Mercury 0.17 S
Venus 16.12 N
Mars 17.39 S
Jupiter 21.53 N
Saturn 8.40 S
Uranus 2.05 N
Neptune 11.40 S
Pluto 19.38 S
Mean Node 19.58 S
True Node 19.41 S
Chiron 3.46 S
Vertex 1.19 N

Lilith 20.10 N
Juno 8.38 S
Mary 4.38 N
Magdalena 2.35 S
Jessie 11.36 N
Yeshuhua 8.04 S
Maria 19.24 S

Unitas 9.09 N
Union 15.39 S
Boda 5.17 N
Briede 21.48 N
Groom 9.38 S

Amor 11.41 S
Karma 16.10 N
Spirit 19.38 S
Alma 19.40 S
Soulie 12.24 S

Eros 25.34 S
Psyche 2.15 S
Lust 23.53 N
Discovery 17.45 N

Heliocentric Latitudes

Earth 0.0 N
Moon 0.0 S
Mercury 3.21.53 N
Venus 0.51.48 S
Mars 0.54.31 S
Jupiter 0.45.58 S
Saturn 2.27.58 N
Uranus 0.42.51 S
Neptune 0.36.14 S
Pluto 3.36.04 N
Chiron 5.28.10 N

Juno 12.57.27 N
Mary 3.34.25 S
Magdalena 3.57.38 S
Jessie 4.11.31 N
Yeshuhua 1.38.32 N
Maria 14.21.48 S

Unitas 6.48.30 S
Briede 2.41.19 N
Groom 1.35.46 N
Amor 5.33.42 N
Karma 4.25.28 N
Union 0.46.51 N
Boda 2.20.20 N
Spirit 6.39.03 S
Alma 1.17.25 N
Soulie 6.07.06 N

posted September 20, 2012 01:10 PM            

So including a look at asteroids that might point to that type of deceit might be interesting, as well!

...The possibility of this being a brilliant forgery are calling to mind the very interesting and infamous story of the "Salamander Letter," created by forger Mark Hofmann in the 1980s, that took the Mormon world for a ride. The leadership of the LDS church so wanted to believe there were documents that could provide some additional clarity about the origins of their faith, that they embraced this and other forged antiquarian relics. (To be fair, Hofmann was a good forger!)

...If a forgery, this Jesus' wife document could be considered equally brilliantly concocted and handled, slyly presented to a woman divinity scholar, perhaps thinking she might be the most sensitive to embracing proof of Jesus' positive view of women's role. ...As some of the skeptics point out, the amazing confluence of significant phrases that just "happen" to be included in this tiny fragment may be too much to swallow.

posted September 20, 2012 05:03 PM            

But the the 1st-7th axis is intercepted. What's being hidden from plain sight?

What if the truth is similar to the one from the "Alien Autopsy" movie? It's a great movie, I recommend anyone to watch it!

WARNING! SPOILERS! What if there was a real papyrus that accidentally got destroyed and what we are shown is not entirely a fake, but an attempt of replicating the original so that people would really believe this more than the would-be "Important Discovery Is Destroyed" story?

posted September 20, 2012 05:30 PM            

Hmm...Isn't that interesting that the intercepted houses would make you think of the idea of a hoax based on a real find. Yes--I recall seeing that alien autopsy film on TV, about 15 years ago.

With the interpretation of something being hidden from plain view, can I ask why you wouldn't then simply dismiss the entire thing as a stark forgery, NOT based on a real item?

...Hmm. This makes me want to look back at the significant reveal dates of that "Salamander" forgery I mentioned to see if, despite being a forgery, it's chart still revealed interesting themes about the faith, etc.

I agree that the aspects in this Jesus wife chart are compelling and fascinating.

posted September 20, 2012 07:50 PM            

As you know, ive had a lot of religious pain in my life, like you! Somehow i stumbled on this asteroid and wondered its meaning because in my chart Toro(raw, powerful pluto and mars energy focused, a very powerful energy focused on something) is conjunct this Byblis Asteriod....so i looked it up

Asteroid Byblis(199)
Byblos was an ancient Lebanon trading city, chief supplier of papyrus, papyrus was nicknamed byblos...papyrus was what the bible was first written on and the nickname byblis is where the word Bible originated...
(ive tried to pin point the pronunciation for this...but ive seen 2, one is bib-lis, another is buy-blis...im not sure which was the appropriate one for the area, but i find it funny that the bible originated from something pronounced...Buy Bliss...hmmm?

Im trying to find connections, maybe this will help...maybe not...i dont know just wanted to throw it out there.

The actual story about Byblis- she was a God, in love with her brother, Caunus whom she pursued, she tried and tried to convince him that a relationship with her wasn't wrong. But he would never give into her. Its a story about inappropriate feelings, love or misplaced love.

Byblis # 199
Byblis acknowledged her love for Caunus (her twin brother), and despite her initial efforts to convince herself that her feelings were natural, she realized the inappropriateness of them. Unable to keep her love for Caunus a secret from him any longer, she sent him a long love letter through a servant giving examples of other incestuous relationships between the gods. Disgusted, he ran away. Believing that she could yet make him love her, she was determined to try to woo him once more. When she found out that he had fled, she tore her clothes in sorrow and was driven into madness. She followed him through much of Greece and Asia Minor until she finally died, worn out by her grief and the long journey. As she had been constantly crying, she was changed into a spring.

A story of one guy's chart who he had Byblis on MC exact: his feelings were inappropriate indeed. He fell in love with his student, 20 years younger than him, and when she rejected him, he killed her and then committed suicide.

To me, this is just my theory, but i wonder if we will find more of the bible that proves what religion has taught about Jesus and God is far from the reality of God!

I see this story is much about religion, as it tries to prove love for it, is appropriate, they use the bible and try to convince everyone they have God but in reality they are a twin of God, they look like God, they say they act like God but loving them is misplaced because its not really loving God! Its loving a fake version of God that isn't appropriate and in the end will bring tears of loneliness because what we desire more than anything, the love of God cannot be felt by loving an empty, fake twin of God...i wonder if we will find more and more to prove what religion has taught has taken us away from feeling God's love...what you are talking about here, Jesus having a wife is definitely not what religion has taught us. I think we will find more and more proof that religion has been fooling us, trying to convince us of something that isnt true!!

posted September 20, 2012 08:11 PM            

Yes--I feel that too, that we will continue to unearth history that upends the old notions and things we were so "sure" of, and upon which we have based all of our ideas and theories about how things are. I feel similarly about people recalling their past lives; as there are many unusual accounts people have, of being a part of a people or civilization that resembles nothing yet described in conventional history; or, describing memories that differ from, or add to the picture of, accepted accounts of certain eras and events.

I absolutely love seeing recent news articles about cities unearthed, that were using such-and-such technology, or had such-and-such social structure, that was previously not considered possible, in the minds of the keepers of "proper" history on this earth.

posted September 20, 2012 08:32 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Very interesting, Gabby. I agree with your thoughts about formal religion being a "fake twin" of the real thing.

Yes--I feel that too, that we will continue to unearth history that upends the old notions and things we were so "sure" of, and upon which we have based all of our ideas and theories about how things are. I feel similarly about people recalling their past lives; as there are many unusual accounts people have, of being a part of a people or civilization that resembles nothing yet described in conventional history.

I absolutely love seeing recent news articles about cities unearthed, that were using such-and-such technology, or had such-and-such social structure, that was previously not possible, in the minds of the keepers of "proper" history on this earth.

A funny one: a few weeks ago, they unearthed a clothing implement that was clearly a bra, from many centuries ago--well before the "invention" of the bra, just a few centuries ago!

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posted September 20, 2012 09:11 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Spirit and Discovery are already in the second chart.

I can post one with the others you've mentioned.

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oh, cool...i'll be able to look closer at everything tommorow! Im looking forward to it!
heres a list of biblical asteroids...
Sumerian/Babylonian/Chaldean theme asteroids:
1930 Lucifer
1970 Sumeria
22260 Ur
15417 Babylon
56000 Mesopotamia
313 Chaldaea
1812 Gilgamesh
2101 Adonis
3497 Innanen
7088 Ishtar
584 Semiramis
192158 Christian
298 Baptistina
5808 Babel <--in my chart it is exact my mercury both saggy@3.37
Nimrod built the tower of babel, Nimrod name means "mighty hunter in opposition to God" God destroyed the tower of Babel because the ppl were worshiping false Gods amongst other things. God threw then into confusion by changing their languages, so they couldn't communicate and separated off, no longer able to worship false Gods together.

posted September 20, 2012 09:48 PM            

Sun QX Destinn (0.15)
Mary SEXT Destinn (0.17)

--> Yod: Sun – Destinn – Mary

Destinn TRI IC (0.04)
Destinn OPP Karma (0.27)
Eureka TRI Jupiter (0.43)
Devine CONJ Venus (0.53)
Devine OPP Union (0.40)

Toro QX Pluto (0.20
Toro TRI Uranus (0.22)
Toro TRI Magdalena (0.09)

--> Double Mystical Triangle: Toro - Pluto – Uranus/Magdalena

Toro QX Chiron

--> Yod: Toro – Chiron – Pluto

Compassion SQ Mercury (0.04)

Helio:

Destinn CONJ Chiron (0.47)

Toro SQ Devine (0.58)
Toro OPP Maria (0.11)

--> T-square: Devine – Maria – Toro

Just past 1 degree for the Toro making base of an “arrow” with the Magdalena/ Maria/ Jupiter Yod.

Excalibur SEXT Eureka (0.35)
Exalibur SEXT Union (0.38)
Eureka TRI Union (1.13)

Maria SQ Devine (0.47)
Uranus TRI Devine (0.55)

If we allow <2 for Maria QX Uranus...
-->Mystical Triangle: Maria – Devine – Uranus

Compassion QX Spirit (0.34)

...Good call with some of these, Gabby. That Toro is indeed interesting.

posted September 20, 2012 11:26 PM            

That would make an interesting new thread.

posted September 21, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Interesting D.I.A.I. Glad to see some additional insight and ideas here.

Hmm...Isn't that interesting that the intercepted houses would make you think of the idea of a hoax based on a real find. Yes--I recall seeing that alien autopsy film on TV, about 15 years ago.

With the interpretation of something being hidden from plain view, can I ask why you wouldn't then simply dismiss the entire thing as a stark forgery, NOT based on a real item?

...Hmm. This makes me want to look back at the significant reveal dates of that "Salamander" forgery I mentioned to see if, despite being a forgery, it's chart still revealed interesting themes about the faith, etc.

I agree that the aspects in this Jesus wife chart are compelling and fascinating.

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The answer can be found by looking at Mars in Scorpio in the 8th house, Aries being intercepted: powerful occult military leadership; very dangerous; life-threatening; something almost impossible to defeat, as its dark energies stem from the netherworld. Oh yes, it's them again, it has to be, who else?! Mars is in its night ruler and night house! The real papyrus that's already shrouded in mystery (Pisces Asc, Neptune in Pisces in the 12th, Jupiter in Gemini, its detriment & in the 3rd, too; Neptune in its own domicile and house and squares Juno in Sagittarius; Juno/Hera wife of Jupiter/Zeus; the dispositor of Jupiter is... in Libra, 7th house, and intercepted; look how emphasized Libra is!) is hidden in such a way & place no one can suspect it. The forged one doesn't reveal everything the initial did; it only reveals parts of the information in which there might be clues to where exactly the original can be found. There is something more to the authentic which cannot be revealed to the masses yet. That's why this is only a clue.

The original may as well hold information about the dissolving of spiritual barriers which prevent people from accessing their higher self. Very Promethean. What's the purpose of the concealment? Mars is disposited by Pluto, Pluto(Capricorn, 10th) squares Uranus(Aries, 1st)-we all know what that means.

As usual, by the time people get closer to finding the original, the masses will have already been brainwashed into dismissing such attempts as BS, crazy, unfit for their overly rigid inhibitory world built upon solid structures of superficiality.

posted September 21, 2012 12:16 PM            

@Ceridwen-- For sure. All those oppositions to the relationship. Definitely showing a conflict/split mind about the union, from Mary as well. ...And I IDK, but I feel Magdalena, tucked off to the side, at a weird quincunx angle, near Uranus, aspecting Pluto, ...first to Jessie, and then to Yeshua. The "something-something" on the side that no one wants to address, yet he still has potent, "mystical" connections to her as well!