posted September 28, 2012 02:23 PM            

5023 - AgapenorAgape (pronounced a-gah-pay) usually refers to the deep, true, unconditional love felt by a parent for a child, or the love in a long-established marriage. It was also adopted by early Christians to refer to the unconditional love of God for humanity, and Christian love more generally. As an atheist, and someone who was a bookish child, I tend to associate CS Lewis with the Narnia books – but his extensive writings on Christianity after his conversion include The Four Loves, based in part on these four ancient Greek words, and holding up agape as the finest and truest form of love. Another one to add to the reading list, I think.

Agape seems to correspond well to the final stage of the five stages of love, as written about on BitchBuzz by Lori Smith. I suppose the particular relevance for polyamory is, looking at how eros and agape apply to specifically romantic/sexual relationships, how to balance those different forms of love without making unfair comparisons. You may not have the depth of understanding and trust with a new lover as you do with a long-established partner, but that’s ok; you may not be obsessively checking your phone for texts from your husband in the way you do with your girlfriend, but that’s ok too. Again, we’re back to this idea of the value of giving words to something; if we can happily recognise these as two different kinds of love, then perhaps it helps us celebrate and value them for what they are, not look for what they aren’t.

280 - Philia Philia means friendship or affectionate love in modern Greek. It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philos denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.

447 - Valentine True love. In synastry regarding Valentine and love, the Valentine person gives the love. Romantic love, mostly.

1221 - AmorLove as felt idealistically and romantically. Unconditional love, how you express it. This ones has imagination and subtle innuendos, with romantic aids, producing a deires for physical gratification. One needs to clarify and honour boundaries with this one though. One may be exciting or mysterious, rather than just an extension of the self. Soft and gentle lovemaking and fantasies.
The “conditions” one places on unconditional love—the understanding of what LOVE is/means; what interferes or blocks the love and acceptance (of self and others); figuring out whether you can (or should) “remain loving” (whatever that means to you can you/ should you “set boundaries” or limits on what happens in the name of “love”? Conditions on whatever occurs in aspect.

763 - CupidoRoman counterpart of Eros. A Super-Venus.
In Roman mythology, Cupid (Latin Cupido) is the God of erotic love and beauty. He is equated with the Greek God Eros, and another one of his Latin names is Amor (cognate with Kama). Cupid is a personification of love, and in particular sexual love. Cupid's cult was closely associated with that of Venus, with Cupid being worshipped as devotedly as she. Additionally, Cupid's power was supposed to be even greater than his mother's, since he had dominion over the dead in Hades, the creatures of the sea and the Gods in Olympus. Sometimes referred as superficial love, love of one's looks, etc.

Which of these seems to be the most relevant in your synastry and is it really what you feel/have felt??

posted September 29, 2012 03:59 AM            

But for asteroids my guiding line is 2 degrees; everything under seems to work quite reliably, over this orb I am not always sure, though it depends on the overall picture.

posted September 29, 2012 07:22 AM            

Me - Mercury boy

My Eros conjunct his Mercury (1) - i really like his voice, how he talks, turns me on, the best voice i've ever heard. He's not actually my type, but i don't care, it's so good next to him.

My Agape does nothing (nothing i count as relevant)

My Philia conjuncts his Jupiter EXACT - hmm, maybe, i feel very friendly to his opinion of life, of his philosophical thoughts. And this is true, mainly, because we share the same likes - found out he likes autumn and rain, and dreaming, which are mine major thigns i love.

My Philia squares his Pluto EXACT - maybe some deeper sense of purpose is coming into the play, the thought and the feeling that not everything is so easy as it looks like.

My Valentine squares his Mars EXACT Maybe it would show me that some of his actions would play against my feelings towards him. It hasn't happened yet, butstill may be an option.

My Valentine conjunct his Eros EXACT
There is a blend between us - of deep sense of romantic bond to an erotic excitement with each other, the chemistry thus is amazing - in the air, not only physical, a deep sense of truly caring for each other, i can only say for sure from my side, ofcourse, but still, i see it from him, too.

My Valentine trine his Amor (1) This is nice, too. My sense of romance and idealised feelings flows free with his romantic feelings, nice!

My Amor conjuncts his Agapenor (2)
Quite good as well, he would receive unconditionally what i feel for him, not only in romantic sense of the word, but also just pure feelings of appreciation..

My Amor square his Karma EXACT It's our karma to experience that, maybe we have to overcome some obstacles it puts on us. It's strongly shown in our natals, too.

My Cupido isn't doing anything relevant - that's true, he's not my usual type, i'm not superficilly involved. He's very cute, but usually that kind of guys are too cute for me, he's Cancer and it's very obvious.

His Agapenor conjunct my Lust EXACT

Hah, he receives my Lust unconditionally? :d It's lol. So i'll say that even that would be great, supposing that he'd would take me as i am, no conditions. Maybe that would make some tension too, as i would see him mostly for my worldly feelings, but he would be touched deeper, but i don't know if that can stabilize with that Eros-Valentine conjunction

His Philia squares my Mars
He would feel his friendship would be offended somehow by my actions.

His Philia opposite my Karma (2)
I honestly don't know how to interpret this, but i'll give it a try. It could really be the case, that i could ruin our friendship and attraction with my actions, because my Mars nataly obviously squares my Karma. I should be quite careful with that.

His Philia conjuncts my ASC EXACT
That's really nice. He already sees me as a friend, after just 3 weeks of knowing each other, and not only as friend as i see, and other placements confirm that. But this sense of friendship is very crucial for me to open up to a guy, so these feelings of loyalty and bond are really mutual, which Philia is meant to express as well.

His Valentine conjunct my NN (2)
We should strive to attain that position of love? The conjunction is also in my 5th house, so could be.

His Amor trine my Chiron EXACT
His feelings could help cure my wound.. it's true. I feel that i'm becoming a happier person and more open person just by meeting him.

His Cupido is opposite my Neptune (1)
He may see an unrealistic image of me,i suppose.

posted September 29, 2012 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
As for me, i'm past the stage where i tried to count every possible biquintile of mine.

I tend to use mostly conjunctions within 2 degrees, 3 if it's a theme or with luminaries. Oppositions too, within 2. If a trine or square, 1 degree orb, sextiles and other minors i don't count with asteroids at all.

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Aeline,

yes, you are totally right about the biquintile and stuff.
HOwever I have found very exact sextiles or quinkunxes to have their say (mainly because of the signbackground, that is emphasized).

But they are nowwhere as important as conjunctions. I really tend to look out for the most exact conjunctions, oppositions, (squares and trines.) in actuality.

I liked the intepretation you did there.

posted September 29, 2012 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Aeline,

yes, you are totally right about the biquintile and stuff.
HOwever I have found very exact sextiles or quinkunxes to have their say (mainly because of the signbackground, that is emphasized).

But they are nowwhere as important as conjunctions. I really tend to look out for the most exact conjunctions, oppositions, (squares and trines.) in actuality.

I liked the intepretation you did there.

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Maybe i just don't know yet how to interpret those sextiles and quincunxes.

posted September 29, 2012 07:54 AM            

my Amor squares his nodal axis exact
since we have that as DW it is df. important. Somehow the way of unconditional love works against our respective paths.
Curiously though it results in an exact conjunction of Amor and NN in Libra (along with Cupido) in the composite.
So the balancing of unconditional/ platonic love and physical attraction is part of our purpose together.

my Agapenor opposes his Valentine (2)
platonic, nurturing compassionate love on my side seems to be working against his more romantic feelings, though the opposition is a source of magnetism as well.

my Valentine does nothing really significant
Very relevant I think. I am not really having all that great romantic "true love" feelings for him.

my Eros/Vertex/Sun-Moon-mp squares his Pluto exact
Oh boy, yes, DO I feel that one! lol
I may not be all that romantic around him, but whenever he is in proximity, I feel this hard to resist compulsion. I feel drawn to him against all the odds and against my own will actually. I don´t want that, but the pull is very strong on my side. And yes, it has a lot to do with some sort of instinctual attraction.

my Eros trine his Valentine (1-2)
nicely harmonious balancing between erotic and romantic attraction

my Eros trine his ASC (2)
he harmoniously triggers my erotic feelings, though it is not a terribly strong aspect.

my Cupido trine his Neptune exact
he weaves some kind of magic spell over me, but it doesn´t go terribly deep. (Eros or Valentine would be much deeper)

my Cupido square his Valentine exact
Again a conflict between me being predominantly physically attracted, and the way he views romantic love

my Philia does nothing too relevant
not much friendship love there I guess

(interestingly I have AGapenor conjunct Philia on my nameasteroid, squraing Moon).

his perspective:

his Agapenor conjunct my Uranus exact
I surprise him, shock him, and unexpectedly he feels this platonic affinity to me?

his Philia trine my Venus (2)
Well, it is kinda a wide trine, so not that important.

his Amor opposite my Jupiter (2)
I challenge his way to give unconditional love, but it also is an aspect of attraction, but again rather wide.

his Amor square my Neptune exact
I confuse the hell out of him (my neptune conjuncts his Mercury and squares his Mars exact as well).
I always come so close as to not be grasped in a way.
He might even feel let down or led on by me.

his Amor square my NN exact
like above

his Valentine trine my Eros (1-2)
like above

his Valentine square my Cupido exact
like above

his VAlentine oposite my Agapenor (2)

his Cupido trine my Cupido exact
harmonious physical attraction. They are both in fire (mine in Leo, his in Sag conjunct Neptune though)

his Eros square my ASC
I am totally not his type probably, but still trigger Eros in him, so he might actually feel rather uncomfortable about it.
(for me personally Eros-squares are hard to resist, but SO uncomfortable)

his Eros square my Neptune (1-2)
Oh some more confusion and ambiguity I am brnging to him.

his ERos conjunct my Jupiter (2-3)
I like this one. Actually my name in his chart is conjunct his Eros as well.
And Jupiter is my chartruler; theoretically speaking ther is a bit of positive erotic attraction, especially to my philosophical side

his ERos square my NN (1-2)
Oh well, same as for Amor, just in terms of erotic attraction

composite:
NN conjunct Amor conjunct Cupido exact (all on 20 Libra)

Mars conjunct Amor and Cupido and NN (3)

Karma conjunct Agape exact
A need to relate to each other not only in sexual ways, but above all develop compassion and platonic love

Valentine conjunct Lust (1)
ROFL couldn`t resist putting this one here, esp. as it happens in Scorpio.

Philia conjunct Eros (3)
It is a tad wide, but still a combo of erotic attraction and friendship. feels nice.

ERos trine Venus (1)
nice harmony on the erotic sector.

At least astrotheoretically speaking.

posted September 29, 2012 08:09 AM            

My Eros conjunct his SN EXACT
We were lovers in our past life, it was intense, and it has brought itself into the present.

My Eros conjuncts his Aphrodite (1)
That's the same theme. An intense physical urge to be with one another, yet other aspects add spirituality in that blend.

My Philia squares his Mercury EXACT
wow, what could that mean? Maybe what he can say, can end my affection for him? Unlikely, though, he's never said anything that was meant to hurt me, though.

My Philia opposite his Cupido (1)
Maybe it's more superficial from his side than from my side? I know that i feel deeply for him, and i know that he returns the feelings, but i don't know for sure what exactly does he feel.

Philia conjuncts his Aphrodite (3)
Yes, he's the most wonderful looking man in the whole world. :d

My Valentine opposite his Amor (1)
We both feel different things, maybe from my side it's Valentine type , and from his - Amor. And these two get into an contradiction with one another..

My Cupido opposite his Agapenor (1)
Honestly can't think of anything.Except for.. my Philia was opposite his Cupido, so it could be mutual feelings, based on Cupido thing. We both could long for unconditional type of love yet see in each other that superficial thing.. interesting.

posted September 29, 2012 08:25 AM            

Her Eros conjunct his Mercury (1)
The same aspect i have with my Mercury boy! Only without her Moon as in my case. But still - she got really turned on by what he spoke, about things not from this world, and so on... really into metaphysical, and that got her.

Her Eros conjunct his Amor (2) ]
A nice blend of those energies.

Her Agape conjunct his Cupido EXACT
Here you can see, she was the one that loved more unconditionally, as from his side that may be only a physical attraction, her outlook stuff. Basically that was the case.

Her Agape trine his Agape (1)
That could be one of the factors why he keeps returning to her, he may need that feeling of being loved for who he is, not for who he should have been.

His Eros conjunct her Lust EXACT
I guess the main thing that brought them together at the first place.

His Agape conjunct her Uranus EXACT
He may have felt that kind of love for her, but it ended soon and the change came suddenly. Maybe he was afraid of that love and decided to redraw himself from the relationship until it gets really deep.

posted September 29, 2012 09:43 AM            

Friendship/ platonic love:
Philia, Agapenor

romantic love:
Valentine, Amor (with Valentine being the real romantic there)

sexual attraction:
Eros, Cupido (with eros bringing depth into the sexual attraction).

posted September 29, 2012 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:

[b]His Agape conjunct her Uranus EXACT
He may have felt that kind of love for her, but it ended soon and the change came suddenly. Maybe he was afraid of that love and decided to redraw himself from the relationship until it gets really deep.

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Yes, but with Uranus you never now. Sometimes it is like all feelings subside and then boom! they are back on again , until they cool and then BOOM - you get the pattern.

It is not always like that, sometimes it is just a flash in the pan, but with Uranus you just never know

posted September 30, 2012 12:44 AM            

We have
his amor conjunct my chiron 1 orb
my eros/agape conjunct his merc 1 orb
his valentine conjunct my vertex 1 orb
my cupid conjunct his agape 2 orbs
his cupid conjunct my karma 2 orbs
my philia conjunct his moon 3 orbs
his philia conjunct my asc 3 orbs
his philia sq my saturn 2 orbs
my eros/agape is opps his saturn 1 orb

posted September 30, 2012 07:04 AM            

I def. would look up squares within one degree at least, cause these can - depending on what planet is square- be quite painful. A sort of "I can`t live with you - I can`t live without you" sort of thing. (leaving out sextiles and quinkunxes is probably a good idea, they might distort the picture, as they are minor compared to the other four aspects)

"his amor conjunct my chiron 1 orb"
His love docks onto the most vulnerable part of you. Now, that CAN be great for healing your wounds, but it might also be painful, as whenever he expresses love towards you you are reminded of that spot in your soul that is so painful for you.

"my eros/agape conjunct his merc 1 orb"
You are turned on by and really love his voice, the way he communicates etc.?
Talking with him makes you fall in love?
Interesting that you have the asteroids for erotic and platonic love together, I guess one without the other is not really possible for you, is it?

"his valentine conjunct my vertex 1 orb"
His romantic feelings, or the way he expresses romantic feelings, turns your life around, though it does not say if he reciprocrates them.

"my cupid conjunct his agape 2 orbs"
Sexual attraction means platonic love, Could be interesting or difficult.

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his cupid conjunct my karma 2 orbs"
probably there is some remainder from a past life that you have to work on and it has to do with attraction, which might be based very much on appeareances. Probably you can`t help but evoke these feelings of physical attraction in him, though it might not go as deep. (well you have other aspects that indicate the depth between the two of you)

"my philia conjunct his moon 3 orbs"
I wish it was a bit closer.
Anyway, beautiful, a caring nurturing friendship vibe. You really care about each other.

"his philia conjunct my asc 3 orbs"
Similiar to the above. He feels true friendship and caring for you,

"his philia sq my saturn 2 orbs"
But for some reason you can`t accept it. You seem to put brakes on it, thwarts his attempts to be your friend. Maybe you are somehow afraid of losing his friendship?

"my eros/agape is opps his saturn 1 orb"
On the other hand he probably freezes/ blocks your erotic and platonic feelings of love sometimes, and might feel like a wet blanket to you. like despite the sexual attraction he doesn`t really appreciate your loving feelings. You might feel judged or criticized even if it is not his intent.
Don`t forget above all Saturn represents fear. He fears you can get to him, under his skin.

posted September 30, 2012 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioss,ne

I def. would look up squares within one degree at least, cause these can - depending on what planet is square- be quite painful. A sort of "I can`t live with you - I can`t live without you" sort of thing. (leaving out sextiles and quinkunxes is probably a good idea, they might distort the picture, as they are minor compared to the other four aspects)

"his amor conjunct my chiron 1 orb"
His love docks onto the most vulnerable part of you. Now, that CAN be great for healing your wounds, but it might also be painful, as whenever he expresses love towards you you are reminded of that spot in your soul that is so painful for you.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

"my eros/agape conjunct his merc 1 orb"
You are turned on by and really love his voice, the way he communicates etc.?
Talking with him makes you fall in love?
Interesting that you have the asteroids for erotic and platonic love together, I guess one without the other is not really possible for you, is it?

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"his valentine conjunct my vertex 1 orb"
His romantic feelings, or the way he expresses romantic feelings, turns your life around, though it does not say if he reciprocrates them.

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You already know thats true.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

"my cupid conjunct his agape 2 orbs"
Sexual attraction means platonic love, Could be interesting or difficult.

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At first I was totally sexually attracted to him.. I really just wanted to seduce him
mars/moon (Im mars..lol)
We got together but it was not good... lol.. Then we developed the friendship and thats when I really really started to like him...
We put a lot of trust into each other and confided things.. Then after the friendship became stronger than the sexually attraction was doubled even more.. The platonic friendship is what locked me in.. Guess its part of my karma

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

"my philia conjunct his moon 3 orbs"
I wish it was a bit closer.
Anyway, beautiful, a caring nurturing friendship vibe. You really care about each other.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

"his philia conjunct my asc 3 orbs"
Similiar to the above. He feels true friendship and caring for you,

"his philia sq my saturn 2 orbs"
But for some reason you can`t accept it. You seem to put brakes on it, thwarts his attempts to be your friend. Maybe you are somehow afraid of losing his friendship?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,
"my eros/agape is opps his saturn 1 orb"
On the other hand he probably freezes/ blocks your erotic and platonic feelings of love sometimes, and might feel like a wet blanket to you. like despite the sexual attraction he doesn`t really appreciate your loving feelings. You might feel judged or criticized even if it is not his intent.
Don`t forget above all Saturn represents fear. He fears you can get to him, under his skin.

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Ok I will check the sqaures.. I didnt check yesterday cuz well I was lazy.. lol.. I was tired.. lol

here goes

valentine sq valentine 3 orbs

t-sqaure
his amour/my chiron in aries
his pluto/uranus in libra
his venus/eros in Cap

I dont really see to any more squares well that would be under 3 orbs.

Ill have to look later.

Thanks Ceri.
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posted October 01, 2012 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
wow, thank you for those descriptions

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Love this thread, Aeline. Thank you, Sweetie! xx

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posted October 04, 2012 10:44 PM            

example me and J

J's draco Eros conjunct my natal pluto
my draco pluto conjunct J's natal Eros.
( who would feel this pluto or Eros?)

J's natal lust and medea also conjunct my natal pluto

J's draco venus and amor conjunct my draco pluto.

J's draco valentine conjunct my draco valentine and medea.

his natal ASC and Valentine conjunct my natal Eros
and trines my draco Eros

his natal Eros and cupido square my natal ASC.

his draco Eros opp my natal sun and Psyche
his draco Ureka conjunct my natal sun

my natal Eros square his natal Psyche.
my draco psyche opp his natal Eros

would it be felt w/ the draco's between soulmates?

on the day my soulmate came the trans moon and agape were conjunct my natal sun/moon midpoint I know that is a little off track but I thought that was beautiful.