posted November 09, 2012 03:42 AM            

The strange part is that his DRACO NESSUS is conjunct my DRACO DEJANIRA.

Anyone an idea about that?

EDIT:

BTW natally his NESSUS is conjunct JUNO and PSYCHE, but not afflicted by any squares, oppositions or quinkunxes, just sextiles Moon-ANGEL-conjunction.

This is a translation of parts of the story.

"Upon his return Heracles saw and loved Deianira,
a fair and radiant princess of Calydon, ...

Heracles became a suitor to the lovely Deianira
when a terrible accident occurred-
in his sometimes wayward great strength he killed a relative of Deianira.
To atone for this he was sentenced to slavery for three years.
Upon completing this he could return and marry the stunning Deianira.

...

Upon his release Heracles returned and wed Deianira.
They lived in bliss and had a son Hyllos....

Years passed, and war broke out with Eurytus,
King of Oichalia, and father of Iole.
Deianira discovered that Heracles had captured
the King and his daughter.
She also knew that Heracles had once suited for Iole.
She determined to solidify Heracles’ love
and prepared a robe with the centaur’s blood mixed in

...

Heracles wrapped himself in the new robe, and burst into flames.
Such is the effect of the blood of a centaur on a human.
He could not put them out, and the robe burned ever deeper
into his skin and muscle.
Heracles knew his time had come.
He built a pyre and mounted it, and burned high upon the sea.
He joined the immortals, but his heart ever yearned
for his lovely Deianira."

http://allpoetry.com/poem/1118595-Love_Stories_of_the_Argonauts-_Herac les_and_Deianira-by-Numi_Earl_Grey

posted November 09, 2012 01:47 PM            

My instant thought was actually quite a simple one and probably influenced on IQ`s take on Nessus as being very sexual (well all centaurs were quite close to their animalistic nature).

My thought was also influenced by the fact that the guy`s JUNO/PSYCHE/NESSUS is EXACTLY conjunct my KARMA and exactly trine my Moon and at the same time squares my JUNO exact. And his KARMA conjuncts my Draco JUNO.

The links to JUNO are really not to be missed in this one. lol

So, all of that led me to think that there might have been a past life marriage

(also, his KARMA opposes my Venus/ISIS/OSIRIS and his own Mars - yes Venus-Mars-conjunction- and squaring my own Pluto and his Draco Venus opposes my Draco KARMA)

So there are these Juno-aspects, there is Venus-Karma on two levels (tropical and Draco) - oh wait on three levels (composite helio Venus on 9 Cap opposes helio Karma on 11 Cancer as well).

So all of that might have been puzzle pieces to my instant idea about this.

It was actually a simple one.

There might have been a past life relationship, possibly marriage; not sure if the conjunction on its own would show abuse, but maybe there was a quite selfish desire involved, which did only care for (sexual) selfgratification, but lacking any kind of emotional maturity or responsibility.

And the tropical Heracles-Dejanira-conjunction might simply show that there was an added nuance of protectiveness. Heracles had his faults, definitely, but it seems from the myth that he really loved Dejanira and wanted to protect her and actually fought for her more than once (once to win her hand in marriage, and then to defend her from Nessus).

Of course the fact that his Neptune is exactly conjunct my Amor, and both trine the Heracles-Dejanira-conjunction, might imply that I am a wee bit too idealistic.

BTW I always found it strange and interesting that my Draco DEJANIRA is conjunct my draco ISOLDA as well as both falling onto my tropical EROS and Vertex and Destinn, all oppospite my Sun/Moon-mp and ARTHUR.

Especially thta Eros on my Draco Dejanira.
It is in Cancer also.
Being able to let down my guard with someone and actually show myself as vulnerable definitely feels quite erotic to me, and it is a rare occurence, especially with tropical Saturn conjunct my Draco Dejanira and Eros loosely (3-4 degrees).

posted November 09, 2012 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you for your reply, Ail.
It`s an interesting take, and would fit with the myth.

My instant thought was actually quite a simple one and probably influenced on IQ`s take on Nessus as being very sexual (well all centaurs were quite close to their animalistic nature).

My thought was also influenced by the fact that the guy`s JUNO/PSYCHE/NESSUS is EXACTLY conjunct my KARMA and exactly trine my Moon and at the same time squares my JUNO exact. And his KARMA conjuncts my Draco JUNO.

The links to JUNO are really not to be missed in this one. lol

So, all of that led me to think that there might have been a past life marriage

(also, his KARMA opposes my Venus/ISIS/OSIRIS and his own Mars - yes Venus-Mars-conjunction- and squaring my own Pluto and his Draco Venus opposes my Draco KARMA)

So there are these Juno-aspects, there is Venus-Karma on two levels (tropical and Draco) - oh wait on three levels (composite helio Venus on 9 Cap opposes helio Karma on 11 Cancer as well).

So all of that might have been puzzle pieces to my instant idea about this.

It was actually a simple one.

There might have been a past life relationship, possibly marriage; not sure if the conjunction on its own would show abuse, but maybe there was a quite selfish desire involved, which did only care for (sexual) selfgratification, but lacking any kind of emotional maturity or responsibility.

And the tropical Heracles-Dejanira-conjunction might simply show that there was an added nuance of protectiveness. Heracles had his faults, definitely, but it seems from the myth that he really loved Dejanira and wanted to protect her and actually fought for her more than once (once to win her hand in marriage, and then to defend her from Nessus).

Of course the fact that his Neptune is exactly conjunct my Amor, and both trine the Heracles-Dejanira-conjunction, might imply that I am a wee bit too idealistic.

BTW I always found it strange and interesting that my Draco DEJANIRA is conjunct my draco ISOLDA as well as both falling onto my tropical EROS and Vertex and Destinn, all oppospite my Sun/Moon-mp and ARTHUR.

Especially thta Eros on my Draco Dejanira.
It is in Cancer also.
Being able to let down my guard with someone and actually show myself as vulnerable definitely feels quite erotic to me, and it is a rare occurence, especially with tropical Saturn conjunct my Draco Dejanira and Eros loosely (3-4 degrees).

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I was thinking about the concept of the wheel of karma ex. say you bully people throughout one life and then in another life your the one that's bullied for your past actions by being forced to walk in another person's shoes.

posted November 12, 2012 09:01 AM            

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